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A competition format that generates more noise pollution is NOT going to be beneficial for the image of car audio and will continue to contribute to the image of car audio enthusiasts as lowlifes (not my description guys - I work in a professional environment and when people find out that I am into car audio they freak out - what they think of is some kid booming down the street at 3 am and waking them up). Up the max SPL cap and do the measurement from the headrest with all doors and windows closed.
Even guys running horns won't be able to do well with the proposed format because of speaker directivity and the mic/sensor outside the car and off axis. Additionally, take your sensor outside the car and do a quick RTA reading. I will bet that it looks like complete garbage (NOW mine has no large band to band transitions inside the car but the outside readings look like crap) and inside the car is where the RTA should be smooth (the measurements were not done with a termlab - don't have one). I am ALL for SQ at high volumes (it's hards as crap to do).
Minor tweaks to the proposed rules and you would see me in the lanes for this.
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Us SPL guys get told off by the SQ guys for their RTA, and a lot of shows are VERY noisy, I dont know about the USA, but over here, there are still a lot of boomers and demo cars, the background noise 10 foot away from the car is going to be silly. SQ cars are RTAed with the doors shut, and its a lot quieter for them, but here you are measuring all the background noise as well?
I know the point is to get the systems to play music, but would it not be better to have the mic "in" the car, but still with the door open, best of both worlds, the crouds hear the system still, but its affected less by the background noise?
After all, the bass response of a system does change opening the door, thus most low tune cars will sound better for you.
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This is my first post here in several years. Maybe since 2002.
Nothing can save the preception of the industry as a bunch of degenerate midnight boomers. Rather than reject that image (which is true and accurate for most 12v customers if you thing about it) we should embrace it.
Just like Las Vegas tried to be family friendly in the late 1980's, we should grow a brain and become "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas."
Twenty years ago, I constantly heard people driving cars with pounding street systems. Today? Never.
I like it........
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Yea I remember the older days of old folks homes and apartments far away from say the CC or Best Buy where the Comp was.. They would be calling the cops all the time bitching about loud music that was over 200 yeards away.. Ive seen several shows almost shut down because of that. I dont think it will fly well. Nothing flys well anymore. When was the last time I even seen a Iasca show come to michigan? I cant even tell you. It will probley just cause problems. Unless your in a very large area away from Cry babies.
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I do hope there is a separate part of the forum for this new format like Bass Race.
It will give us more threads to branch out to discuss further.
BTW, where does all this stand at the present time Wayne?
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There are rules posted in the rules section but are subject to change as the season goes along.
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I'm not around here much any more (at all), but we do still run some shows.
I like the simple nature of this. I don't care for the rta outside the car.
Wayne, can the os be set up for one mic inside and one outside AT THE SAME TIME? Judge both at the same time but from both locations. Otherwise, I say open the door and put the mic on the drivers seat / drivers head position like the old days.
I would run this at our show(s). One other thing to think about the measurements....We judge ALL of our shows inside a metal building...I'm pretty sure the building will have a noticeable effect on the measurement versus measuring them outside in a parking lot.
Also, we do a "drive by" bass contest at some of our shows....136 dB at 10' is crazy loud. Also, many times 10' will not be easy to achieve, cars parked near each other, etc. I would say like 3' would be better. Just outside the reach of a door when open.
Overall a nice idea.
To the others: I think Wayne's idea of this class is to avoid the "perfect" competition car. No one anywhere will get a PERFECT (or anywhere near perfect) score on SPL and RTA. I like that. It shows the average guy that he can run in this class and have some fun. Remember fun?
Technical question: Will this mic be the one used on the Audio Control SA3050 & 3051. The one many old schoolers still have laying around? (Not the high spl mic, just the normal RTA mic from 10+ years ago)
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quote:Originally posted by RFVega115: Basically what I am saying is: Let's also bring the security judging back into the Comp scene. I know IASCA did it & am not sure if they still do?
quote:Originally posted by winslow: IASCA has not had a security competition for at least a good 10 years now...
I know we have already hashed this point of security sometime ago here in this thread, but I recently found this (mainly because I was looking on their site for Bass Boxing) and decided to mention it anyhow. Besides we have a whole section now to further discuss...
There is Security System points awarded for competition in IASCA Tuner Jams. I know it is more for the car show competition side.
Anyhow, I am glad that Wayne put some security in the Psychlone format with the last 2 points for installation judging that were TBD (To Be Discussed):
. Custom trim panels OR completely "stealth" installation
. All equipment installed securely
That's all I wanted to say about that, so now back to the normal Psychlone discussion...
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quote:Originally posted by CraigMBA: This is my first post here in several years. Maybe since 2002.
Nothing can save the preception of the industry as a bunch of degenerate midnight boomers. Rather than reject that image (which is true and accurate for most 12v customers if you thing about it) we should embrace it.
Just like Las Vegas tried to be family friendly in the late 1980's, we should grow a brain and become "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas."
Twenty years ago, I constantly heard people driving cars with pounding street systems. Today? Never.
I like it........
where do you live i'll do a couple of drive bys just for old time sake.
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is this idea going to take off in 2008? wayne have you came up with fine line details and a final go on RTA placement?
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: This format is not intended to replace dB Drag Racing or Bass Race. In fact, many cars that are optimized for these formats may find it difficult to compete in Psychlone. Psychlone is aimed at a completely different segment of contestant. (Actually, this format describes what I was trying to achieve when I built my first showcars.)
Loud, full-range systems with good installations. Non-specialty auto sound components. Affordibility. Nosebleeds and music that will make you cry. Old School SPL... just the way I like it.
Wayne, you have my support here in NYC with this format. It's very close to the way its done here
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