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Thanks for your participation. I think this topic may have set the record for the most posts in a single thread.
To summarize, entry level competitors are vital to the sport of dB Drag Racing. It is imperative that we give these new competitors a place to participate without forcing them to compete against hardcore competitors.
The dBDRA is considering the following action items...
Creating a new "Entry Level" division of competition.
This division may include up to 4 classes that are based on cone area (and maybe amp quantity, power, or retail cost).
This division will not be offered at the World Finals.
Competitors will accrue points in this division just like any other class, but only the first 24 points will count towards World Finals eligibility.
This division will use a simplified subset of the regular dB Drag Racing rules.
No pros or sponsored vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
No cargo vans or commerical vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
The enclosure must remain behind the rearmost door's trailing door jamb (for vehicles with removable seats).
Geographical entry limitations at the show promoters discretion.
We are considering calling this entry level division Street and renaming the regular Street Divison to Pro Street (as suggested by others in discussion.)
Another thread will deal with the Standard dB Drag Racing divisions.
Comments please...
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Competitors will accrue points in this division just like any other class, but only the first 24 points will count towards World Finals eligibility.
Comments please...
I think that this line here in and of itself will determine who is and is not a pro. By allowing the class to earn points but only allowing a set number of points from this class to be counted it keeps "pros" out of the class. Sure a pro may show up and run this class but with a set limit of 24 points that limits to how much they can abuse this class if they still wish to make it to world finals. I also feel that there should be some form of actual definition to the term pro. Such as if you have been an actively competing member of the DBDRA for 2 or more years than you have been around long enough to know some of the tricks and things to get loud hence you should be classed as a pro. Also like any other organization if you are in the industry you should be classified as a pro.
Craig
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quote:Originally posted by Killi: I also feel that there should be some form of actual definition to the term pro. Such as if you have been an actively competing member of the DBDRA for 2 or more years than you have been around long enough to know some of the tricks and things to get loud hence you should be classed as a pro. Also like any other organization if you are in the industry you should be classified as a pro.
Craig
This is a very good idea.
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This is real simple. If you want to go to finals, then you must compete in the "Pro-street" class. If you don't care about finals, then you can compete in the beginner class called "street". Would it better if the class were called "Street II" if its that confusing?
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I think this is an awsome idea, b/c it will bring more locals/newbies into the scene and give them a fighting chance. I am the one who broght up the point before about doing an MSRP class. That way the kid with a single 15 and 500 watts doesn't have to go up against some of the big boys with 2 15's and 12,000 watts. But that is just my idea of how to do it.
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i think it will be tough to define "pro" many considered us "pro" when this was our first season competiting. NOW we are pro's, but definately not then. it isnt nessecarily the person that the vehicle is entered by, but alot has to do with who built it. because of this i think we need to eliminate the term "pro" from the db drag rules and replace it with "goal orientated" the goal being world finals, or something like that.
BTW- this was posted by ianrulz123, i didnt feel like logging out of my dads name.
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That is probably a good idea. I was thinking that if we allowed some of their points to count towards Finals, it might act as an incentive to get them to try and go to Finals. In order to do that, they would have to move out of the Street Division.
How does everyone else feel about this?
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One question though. I competed in the Street 3-4 class at a show a few weeks ago.. Will my 8 points count toward the pro-street class once its introduced (since we used last seasons classes)? I'm guessing yes, I just wanted to verify.
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What about the fleet of vehicles some local shops bring?
I've seen this several times,where on the leaderboard the competitors name is "Joe Blo Stereo-mike and in 2nd place is "Joe Blo Stereo-bill. Here we have guys who a shop owner calls up and says, "bring your car down,I'll put a sticker on it and pay for registration.
These are Professionally built cars competing in Street but the owner of the car knows nothing more then,"turn volume loud". While the shop gets lots of free publicity.
This seems fair as long as it's not the shop owner or the same guy running all these cars through the lanes.
We actually have a guy who ran street under our team name "Team Bumpin Sounds-Jeff" but we're in no way a shop.
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Why not use classifications like they do in actual drag racing? Street class for the entry level, Super Street or Modified Street for the next level. You coul deven go as far as calling the Extreme class something like Top SPL or Top Bass class. Just my thoughts....
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i think wayne said it best 24 points will give a taste and will give incentive to go to the next level. if they are a pro compeating in the reg street class you only have to worry about them for 3 shows providing they actully win. then there out. no more points. and there are alot more then 3 shows in my area in a year ... its sounds great to me.
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Cone area?? why? we should just keep it the way it was. woofer size and quantity. street 1-2 etc.
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The reason for the cone area idea is to allow competitors who are just starting out to still compete and not get killed. For example, I have one 15 and a 1000d, that would not even be close to competive in ss 1-2. However in the new street class I could be very competitive, thus making me want to upgrade and tweak my system to be competitive.
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I still think that 3-10" should be allowed along with 2-12", and 1-15", there are an ever increasing percentage of 3-10" (JL W3s, mostly) and 1-15" systems sprouting up out here in the wild wild west.
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This is great, I've wanted this for way too long!!
I think it should be called Street and Street should be renamed Pro-Street. 4 classes might be too much especially with still having to work in Street and SS classes at local shows. 3 would probably be fine.
I 100% agree with the cone area idea, it is the easiest and fairest way to divide up these new competitors, remember the guys here may have just got their first car and stereo 1 day ago!! They don't always know much, so make it simple and easy to understand.
The class should be capped with a Retail or Power limits on the subwoofer amps, say at 600-750w or $600 US which is around $950 CDN (Maybe a either or is best here, go over on power or price and your Pro-Street).
If there is no cap on the power than you loose the spirit of the class. In many small areas there are only 4 shows that are resonable to get to in a season, 1 competitor with a tuned system( 2 12's and 2000watts) could win all those shows and discourage the other Street competitors, when he should really be in Pro-Street
* This division will not be offered at the World Finals.
Great!! Fine by me!! Pro-Street is a must at finals I think.
* Competitors will accrue points in this division just like any other class, but only the first 24 points will count towards World Finals eligibility.
Sounds good to me.
* This division will use a simplified subset of the regular dB Drag Racing rules.
Great.
* No pros or sponsored vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
Yep, you work in the industry (or have in the last 30-60 days (salesperson, installer, floor mopper etc) then you are pro. Keep in fun for the customers. And it gets rid of those 1 day layoff ringers that might pop into a small local show.
* No cargo vans or commerical vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
Great
* The enclosure must remain behind the rearmost door's trailing door jamb (for vehicles with removable seats).
Great
* Geographical entry limitations at the show promoters discretion.
Great
Bring it on, I can't wait to see this class being offered, this is what will keep dB Drag going in the future.
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quote:Originally posted by Q: I still think that 3-10" should be allowed along with 2-12", and 1-15", there are an ever increasing percentage of 3-10" (JL W3s, mostly) and 1-15" systems sprouting up out here in the wild wild west.
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Instead of having up to 4 new "newbie" classes all we realy need is one "beginer" class, as follows...
1 amp 1 batt 1 15/18 or 2 12s or 3 10s or 4 8s 2000wt power limmit
...just an idea to add to the list...
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how would the cone area work????? 3 10's and 2 15's are the same cone area, however 2 12's is much less. and 3 12's is too much. If you allow 3 10's to be the limit area then you have to allow 2 15's b/c its the same. so competitors with 12 inch subs are at a huge disadvantage here!!!
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