1. Competitors would like to see certified scores at 3X events only because they feel the officiating is better and the metering equipment is calibrated correctly and working properly.
2. The downside is that it may difficult to get a certified spl if we limit certified scores to 3X events only. The geographic (and international) distribution of events may require competitors to drive a LONG way to compete in a 3X event.
3. International competitors want more muli-point events and an opportunity to establish certifed scores. (A plan for addressing this issue will be discussed with the dBDRA Agents at CES.)
My initial reaction is that we will need to continue awarding certified scores at 2X events as well as 3X events. With that being said, I see a few areas where potential improvement can be made...
1. Only World Finals certifed judges may officiate at 2X and 3X events.
2. Retailers must host at least one single point event prior to hosting a 2X event.
3. A minimum distance between multipoint events will be required when those events take place on the same weekend.
Comments please...
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: 3. International competitors want more muli-point events and an opportunity to establish certifed scores. (A plan for addressing this issue will be discussed with the dBDRA Agents at CES.)
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]
OK, sounds promising, although hopefully the international "competitors" will get a say as well.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: My initial reaction is that we will need to continue awarding certified scores at 2X events as well as 3X events. With that being said, I see a few areas where potential improvement can be made...
1. Only World Finals certifed judges may officiate at 2X and 3X events.
2. Retailers must host at least one single point event prior to hosting a 2X event.
3. A minimum distance between multipoint events will be required when those events take place on the same weekend.
Comments please...
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]
I like the direction this is heading.
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Sounds good Wayne, but I think we need to start taking the highest score hit by a competitor, win, lose, or draw, and let them keep it. Because that really is there highest score, doesn't matter when they hit hit, during, qualifing, losing, or final round win.
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quote:Sounds good Wayne, but I think we need to start taking the highest score hit by a competitor, win, lose, or draw, and let them keep it. Because that really is there highest score, doesn't matter when they hit hit, during, qualifing, losing, or final round win.
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What is the minimum distance going to be ?? I think the retailer holding the shows would be better served by only allowing one triple per weekend. My company considered a triple last year, but the way they were piled on top one another kept us from having one.
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thses sound like good ideas Wayne. one question though...when is CES? because I was just wondering when the rules will be finalized and if it isn't till spring then that would be kinda bad...the sooner the better in my opinion
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yeah...that would be nice too...(same thing happened to me at finals as Matt)...strict enforcement is good but when that means that the judges start reading things into rules that aren't there then it becomes a bad situation...I say there should be the same enforcement of rules at all multipoint events as there will be at finals therefore issues with enforcement will come up sooner then in your 4 minutes to get ready in the lanes
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competitors are going to have to help with rules at all shows bring your rule books with you and show the judges the rules its hard for them to remember all the rules for all the classes.as long as the rules are spelled out it should not be too bad.
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I think waynes summary/idea is a good idea. As for taking the hightest score whenever, I like that idea, but i think we need to back it up once or something like we do a record so we know it is a true certified score, and not just a fluke or something.
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quote:Originally posted by TEAMNOISE1: Sounds good Wayne, but I think we need to start taking the highest score hit by a competitor, win, lose, or draw, and let them keep it. Because that really is there highest score, doesn't matter when they hit hit, during, qualifing, losing, or final round win.
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I firmly believe that certified scores and invites need to happen at 2x events. There is no way that we are going to put on enough 3x events to allow people to qualify and re-qualify as the season goes along in N. America, let alone globaly.
Just as a note to the Canadians out there, I hope to be available next year to help out at multi-point events across Canada. I need to follow up with Wayne to ensure this can happen and what I need to do to keep up to speed with the changes and certifacation. Feel free to give me a call anytime.
For the Europeans out there if there is a need to bring judges from N. America to a multi-point, I am willing to work with you on that, but we need to start planning now.
As a note, I don't have a competitor link, however I have judged dB Drag events for 4 years including 3-2x events and the 2001 Finals.
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For the Europeans out there if there is a need to bring judges from N. America to a multi-point, I am willing to work with you on that, but we need to start planning now.
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Thanks for concerne. Finaly some competitor or judge (beside Wayne of coarse ) realized that rest of the world have dB-drag too.
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quote:Originally posted by Corona1: I firmly believe that certified scores and invites need to happen at 2x events. There is no way that we are going to put on enough 3x events to allow people to qualify and re-qualify as the season goes along in N. America, let alone globaly.
Exactly why I agree that certified scores need to come from 2x events as well as 3x events. Not only would 2x events become useless, but as said previously there aren't enough, nor would there be enough triples out there.
I personally like your suggestions Wayne. All 3 of those rules would make the sport faaaar more fair and uniform to the competitors.
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Well to put it plain and simple, for reasons to believe that some double point shows last year there was some funny stuff going on, Simple solution dont let those people host double point shows, ans yes only let 2x and 3x show go on with a judge present from world finlals, I know in my region I cant fford to fly out Mr. Haris for a triple pointer. Its easy if somone wants a double just find out what triple point judge will be there if none the NO!!!!!!!11
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Origanly posted by Wayne Harris "My initial reaction is that we will need to continue awarding certified scores at 2X events as well as 3X events. With that being said, I see a few areas where potential improvement can be made...
1. Only World Finals certifed judges may officiate at 2X and 3X events." wayne , isnt this a bit hard ? i was at world finals and counted 5 jusdges including yourself. brantly waites, david mcclain, james from polk , and im not sure who the other guy was. how do you intend on having the world finals judges make all the 2&3 point shows?-jeff or if no judge is available are we sol?
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quote:Originally posted by car tunes: Origanly posted by Wayne Harris "My initial reaction is that we will need to continue awarding certified scores at 2X events as well as 3X events. With that being said, I see a few areas where potential improvement can be made...
1. Only World Finals certifed judges may officiate at 2X and 3X events." wayne , isnt this a bit hard ? i was at world finals and counted 5 jusdges including yourself. brantly waites, david mcclain, james from polk , and im not sure who the other guy was. how do you intend on having the world finals judges make all the 2&3 point shows?-jeff or if no judge is available are we sol?
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thanks bob for the clarifcation , it was sam horn who i couldnt think of he was wearing the old fart action figuer shirt, hehe i wasnt awhere of the other people involved because simply they did not walk the floor during inspection, tha
