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I think class should remain as they are. Money should bee evenly done between the Street,SS and EX for several reasons. Yes people spend more in the Extreme class then they do in the Supper Street where people spend more then the Street. However there are more street competitors so chances of winning are less. In SS there are more competitors then EX so competition is more fierce the lower you go but it is Cheaper to be in the lower classes.
Therefore cost is canceled out by number of competitors.
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I think everyone here will vote for THEIR classification, IE street competitors wanting an equal share of the $$$ as SS and Extreme, Extreme competitors not wanting to combine classes, etc.
To make matters worse, it will seem biased toward the lower divisions, due to more people posting from those classes who dont move up to the $$$ classes.
Here are a few thoughts.
Dedication should NOT be the determining factor for $$ payout. If it should be, we should call up NASCAR, and tell them that Busch series drivers deserve the pay of Winston cup Drivers, because they are just as dedicated to driving their cars.
Having said that, I personally think that the prize $$ arrangement should NOT be left up to the competitors. I feel that it should be decided solely by the event promoter, whether that is the DBDRA, or some other entity. IF the promoter of the show wants to award the $$ to first only, or to everyone, that should be HIS choice. Remember, NONE of us will have a place to compete if promoters dont put on shows, and telling them how to run theirs is another nail in the proverbial coffin.
As for the combining of classes, you CANT just say that because 2 or more classes have similar numbers, they should be combined. I personally feel that combining of classes should be based SOLELY on having full (and competitive) classes at finals. I personally saw 2 weak classes last year, the could be combined, First, Extreme 9-12 and 13+ only had enough TOTAL competitors at finals to make one full class. Also Street 3-4 at most shows is week, with people going to that class usually to get an invite to finals. Having one PROSTREET class at finals, and regular street not getting points, would cure this situation.
If you do feel that classes should be combined due to similar numbers, then Ext 3-4 and 5-8 had almost the SAME numbers, combine them . If there are enough world class extreme vehicles to fill the classes well at finals, why do away with those classes?
Now for my personal bitch . To those who say that ext 1-2 and 3-4 should be combined, have you really looked at the results from finals? Take a look at Qualifying numbers from 1-2, and then 3-4. There were 2-3 db difference in the classes, and in extreme that is HUGE. Do you realize to gain 2-3 db in a 170+ vehicle is not only VERY expensive, but with our current knowledge and equipment designs, it is darn near impossible. With this said, you think I should just hang up my hat this year since I (along with a vast majority of Ext 1-2 competitors) have a vehicle that CANNOT be competitive on the national level with most 3-4 vehicles?
I think that if classes are combined, it should be for the sake of making a smoother running organization, and to entice participation of the new competitors. If we can get the street level (real ones, the ones our so-called street competitors like to make fun of) competitors hooked on DB Drag, then the sponsorship money will come. We will NOT get sponsors interested in DB drag if no levels, no even the lowest classification of competitors we have, has any interest in using their product.
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I was just fishing for some imput on this topic. The decision to award prize money and the distribution of the prize money awarded will always be up to the event promoter.
Personally, I would like to see fewer classes with larger payouts in each class while still inviting the same total number of competitors to the event. If we had fewer classes, then maybe local events would offer ALL of the standard classes. Last season, there were a TREMENDOUS number of events that only had 1 or 2 competitors in each class. This isn't right.
What are your thoughts on that?
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I was thinking about something. NASCAR works because the sponsors have a monopoly on the competition. You dont see Hondas or Volvos running at Daytona, thats because there are restrictions on what can be used in the competition. I would suggest that for any Subwoofers or amplifiers from a company to be used at certified (3x and finals) events, they MUST become a manufacturer member of the DBDRA. Local shows let anybody run anything, but equip at certified shows must be manufacturer member equip (subs and amps only)
What do you all think?
This would definately generate some $$ for the DBDRA and would make larger prizes for finals much more realistic.
quote:Originally posted by dB Don: Extreme classes should be combined to allow the bigger payoffs with out more expenses.
Extreme: 1 Extreme: 2-4 Extreme: 5+
Super street can be the same.
Just want to tell that in practice it works nicely in Europe when we have SSNW, SS1-2, SS3-4 and SS5+, also the same for Extreme, E1-2, E3-4 and E5+. It was like this in Eurofinals too.
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Any cash at all would be nice over here....
Cash should be higher for the bigger classes. (I run SS1-2 as well, and always will)
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It seems to me, that living in a place where ALL shows have combined classes, this seems a good idea. And it would actually help Europe I would have thought though that combining classes would and should be dependant on number of people. Some class combining rule should be noted in the rule book (so no one can kick off, like 3 or less in 2 classes next to each other, and the classes WILL be combined) 8+ subs in any class looks like a good limit to me, but always keep the lower classes (any1-2) to help encourage at all times people, by always knowing they will not be combined.
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who needs prize money anyway shouldnt u be doing this for the luv of it not the $$$$$$$$$$$$
u americans should think your self lucky ive looked at as many pics as i can and sum of the trophies ive seen are amazing here we get cheap **** $2 trophies and no prize money at all and we are lucky to have 3 comps a year here (sydney australia)
also our gear cost about 4 times more then yours duz ie (DD9515 $1200 au)
also u cant get ride of STREET class how can a 10" sub go against a 18" ??
just because uses (the us) have cars doing 150db with 2 x 12" doesnt mean the rest of the world duz the loudest S1-2 we have here is 144.5db then 143.7 then 142 etc etc but most would be in the hight 130s
leave the classes the same if ppl feel the need to cheat let them but they will be dispised (spelling)
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My opinion: I agree fully with Nate and Anthony on the Extreme classes. If there is any combining there to even be considered, it should be 9-12 and 13+. It costs BIG money to play competitively in Extreme. Kara and I know - we have gone to the EXTREME of buying a brand new vehicle for 2002, Just to be Competitive! Nate you are onto something with the manufacturer membership required - however I may add that this should then be open to ANY manufacturer willing to pay and participate.
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Just want to tell that in practice it works nicely in Europe when we have SSNW, SS1-2, SS3-4 and SS5+, also the same for Extreme, E1-2, E3-4 and E5+. It was like this in Eurofinals too.
Some event organizers in Europe are offering all the clases (or more)!!!! It is other problem that there is just not enough competitors here as in US. That is why 5+ class was on Euro finals! Euro finals was just too expensive for many competitors (because of traveling cost).
Otherwise I think that at least 8-12 and 13+ should be combined.
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oh yeah....and Nathan's comparison to NASCAR is a fantastic idea. At Certified events and finals you must use equipment from a dB Drag manufacturer member! That would result in more manufacturers supporting dB Drag which would get us more prize money and support!
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Their again combine the 9-12 and 13+ class at finals. at single point events I agree with s 1-2 s 3-4 ss1-2 3-4 5+ ex 1-2 ex3-4 ex 5+ that is eight classes it will fill more classes and reduce time to run events thus more time for games or drawings for prizes to keep up the fun level and bring in more people interested in dbdrag. at 3x certified events leave classes alone but combine 9-12 and 13+ for certified scores leading to finals...
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quote: My thoughts..... Street 1-2 Street 3-4 (Same existing rules but no points and not at finals)
Pro Street 1-2 or 1-3 (Modified Street rules with points)
Super Street 1-2 No Wall Super Street 1 Super Street 2-3 Super Street 4-6 Super Street 7+
Extreme 1 Extreme 2-3 Extreme 4-6 Extreme 7+
10 classes at finals. Fewer total cars. Descending money for 1st-3rd. Equal amounts for all classes.
This is a great idea. Street classes can then be cutomized by retailer to fit his area and still pull in dB Dragracers without the extra cost of more classes.
Equal money because every class pays same entry fee. In NASCAR; just because Jeff Gordon spent more on his car that Brett Bodine doesn't mean Brett should get less money if he wins, if they both paid the same to enter the race.
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Ok, just a thought here. I like most of the suggestions given so far, so I won't write it all again.
However, on the idea that the manufacturer must be part of the DBDRA. I think this is a bad idea. Pretty much it is saying that since I run a certain product I might not be able to compete at any 3x events. There are companies that pop up all the time all over the place. If you propose this then you are possibly cutting out some competitors. I do see the good side to this idea however. But I also see the bad side, simply cause it's like telling a competitor they only have this list of products they can run. They wouldn't have a choice over ALL the products on the market. It would also mean that someone like RWAudio, who makes those nice line drivers, would have to become a member of DBDRA or you could not compete with his product.
Just some food for thought.
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yeah and it would limit newer amps/subs from being produced and run in the shows to beat the well known brands. if a company is small and starting out they should have their shot at a competiter entering comps and blowing away others. just because they aren't big they shouldn't be barred from a comp. you could have a world record sys. and not be allowed at comp cuz the company didn't want to sponser dbdra?! silly, besides we are in this for the fun not the cash. i just feel that it would be more fair for extremest to get a higher cash prize than street people.
my proposed classes street 1-2 3-4 (allowed at finals)
ss 1 2-4NW 2-4
EX 1-3 4-6 7+
just a rough idea on classes, maybe bump ss cars with more than 5 subs to extreme cat? just fishing for some ideas.
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What about the ones from Street that have to move up and need all this figured out before a decision is made? Will we have a vote in our own destiny?
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quote:Originally posted by Trouble: Ok, just a thought here. I like most of the suggestions given so far, so I won't write it all again.
However, on the idea that the manufacturer must be part of the DBDRA. I think this is a bad idea. Pretty much it is saying that since I run a certain product I might not be able to compete at any 3x events. There are companies that pop up all the time all over the place. If you propose this then you are possibly cutting out some competitors. I do see the good side to this idea however. But I also see the bad side, simply cause it's like telling a competitor they only have this list of products they can run. They wouldn't have a choice over ALL the products on the market. It would also mean that someone like RWAudio, who makes those nice line drivers, would have to become a member of DBDRA or you could not compete with his product.
Just some food for thought.
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Jason Moore
That is specifically why I put only sub and amp companies MUST become members. The rules have ALWAYS stated that equipment must be commercially available. If a company produces commercially available subs or amps, they can afford the 1k to become a manufacturer member, that is if they care to have their equipment used in Db Drag events.
Hell, If I was wanting to run some off the wall equip that the manufacturer wasn't a member, I very well may pay it myself, it its THAT important to me to use it.
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How about leaving SS basically the same, but contracting ( i've been following baseball too much) the extreme classes to 2, maybe 3 divisions. Along with this I think that the payout should be bigger at finals for the extreme cars because of the fewer classes. Imagine 5k or 10k for first instead of 1k. This could only happen if the number of classes in extreme were reduced.
You could also then take the top 4 extreme vehicles and actually have them duke it out in the lanes for the extreme cup and possibly a cash bonus prize.
Judging by the scores from last year, you could do ex 1-6, and 7+ and have some awesome races, with the winners taking home some major cash.
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