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In 2001, the dBDRA had 12 standard classes of competition. At events where prize money is awarded (ie World Finals), the prize money pool is divided equally among all 12 classes, with 1st-3rd place winners in each class receiving a distrubution.
The 3 issues I would like to discuss are...
1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?
2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?
3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?
What are your thoughts on this? Please ensure that your STATS button (and link) is included in your response.
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Reasons: Now days, basically most classes are doing the same scores anyway. It would save time at finals to make sure everyone gets equal opertunity in the lanes ( Judges and Competitors )in other words, we would have more time to inspect and the competitor would have more time to set up. More prize money is always good. Prize money should be given to 1st-3rd place, IMO. An equal amount of prize money should be given to each division ( Street, SS & Ex.)
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: 1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?
Yes, everyone is just as dedicated (to a certain extent).
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: 2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?
1st-3rd in my opinion. With descending amounts to 3rd place.
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: 3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?
Personally, I think some of the Extreme classes should be combined. To what extent, I'm not sure. But look at the scores from finals, Extreme 1-2 was just as loud as Extreme 13+. Maybe combine some of the Extreme classes and have higher payout for them only?
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As a Street competitor I would say keep all prize money equal across the board, but in reality extreem deserves and should have a higher payout
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: I like the idea of combining classes.
Reasons: Now days, basically most classes are doing the same scores anyway. It would save time at finals to make sure everyone gets equal opertunity in the lanes ( Judges and Competitors )in other words, we would have more time to inspect and the competitor would have more time to set up. More prize money is always good. Prize money should be given to 1st-3rd place, IMO. An equal amount of prize money should be given to each division ( Street, SS & Ex.)
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1. Prize money should be the same. 2. dosnt matter either way. Maybe a member vote. 3. I think that the extreme 9-12, and 13+ should be combined.As they where in 2000.
All other classes should remain the same for Super Street, and extreme.
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: I like the idea of combining classes.
Reasons: Now days, basically most classes are doing the same scores anyway. It would save time at finals to make sure everyone gets equal opertunity in the lanes ( Judges and Competitors )in other words, we would have more time to inspect and the competitor would have more time to set up. More prize money is always good. Prize money should be given to 1st-3rd place, IMO. An equal amount of prize money should be given to each division ( Street, SS & Ex.)
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1. I think all prize money should be equal from class to class. 2. Some class should be combined. That would save alot of time at finals and all other comps. 3. I think the top 3 deserve the prize money, with decending amounts, just like if they were to hand out trophies or etc.
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Personally, I think some of the Extreme classes should be combined. To what extent, I'm not sure. But look at the scores from finals, Extreme 1-2 was just as loud as Extreme 13+. Maybe combine some of the Extreme classes and have higher payout for them only?
Just my thoughts.
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So since the scores in SS are pretty close to the same. 1-2 172 ,3-4 171 ,5-8 170 ,9+ 171 should we combine those as well ?
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quote:Originally posted by Full Moon Racing: So since the scores in SS are pretty close to the same. 1-2 172 ,3-4 171 ,5-8 170 ,9+ 171 should we combine those as well ?
I hear what year saying Anthony. I think you are right, it would'nt be fair to combine any class.
quote:Originally posted by Full Moon Racing: So since the scores in SS are pretty close to the same. 1-2 172 ,3-4 171 ,5-8 170 ,9+ 171 should we combine those as well ?
Maybe if you look at JUST the 1st place scores for those classes.. But lets look at the "big" picture. 4th place in EX 1-2 was louder than 4th place in EX 13+, do you see that same trend in SS? No, which is why I suggested combining some of Extreme but not SS.
(edit/addition) Hell, now that I look at it, ALL of the EX 1-2 competitors were louder than the EX 13+'s who had the same placing. (meaning that 1st place 1-2 was louder than 1st place 13+, 2nd place 1-2 was louder than 2nd place 13+, 3rd place 1-2 was louder than 3rd place 13+, 4th place 1-2 was louder than 4th place 13+, 5th place 1-2 was louder than 5th place 13+, 6th place 1-2 was louder than 6th place 13+..and so on) See where I am going with this?
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I have to agree about the Extreme Classes. The scores are two close. Even a one woofer car is in the 70's. In SS their is still a difference in the scores.
Extreme 1-4, 5-8, 9+.
I think that would be a good combination.
Prize money could be equal and offered 1-3rd. (I wonder why I said that)=========>
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i like the classes that jliehr suggested.... but if street is not going to be offered at finals then we would not need to combine any classes... i think that we need figure out whats going to happen with street before we change any classes.....
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I say that the classes stay the same so people don't have to rebuild their extreme vehicles (that will make many people retire) Also, I think prize money should be for 1st 2nd and 3rd and that it sohould be given out at EVERY SHOW...I personally don't want trophies...I am sure the only people who want trophies are the beginnners so give trophies and smaller prize money to the street guys and prize money and no trophies to the other guys Also, you should standardize the prize money as well as the entry fee at all events. say a single point is 15 a double is 30 and a triple is 45 to enter and have the same scheme for prize money...say 25 to first 15 to second and 10 to third at a single, 50 for first 30 for second and 20 for third at a double and 100 for first, 50 for second and 25 for third at a triple...and make this the MINIMUM prize money
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Wayne here goes my openion. Hope not to fall on deaf ears.
1 & 2. Prize money should be equal for SS and Extreme classes. a) SS prize money to be awarded 1st-3rd with the amount of the prize in decending increments from 1st-3rd. b) Extreme prize money of equal amounts for 1st-3rd. Grouping of extreme classes together will yield a larger payout to all.
3. A grouping of Extreme classes would allow for an expansion of SS classes (db drags fastest growing division). a) SS 1-2NW, 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, 9+ Ex 1-3, 4-6, 7+ b) SS 1-2NW, 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, 9-12, 12+ Ex 1-4, 5-8, 9+
As you can see these loose class suggestions allow for addition of street classes without exceding 12 classes total.
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I thinjk the bigger payouts should be in the extreme classes and be awarded to 1,2,3 places. This will encourage people to move up in classes and strive for bigger pay offs.
Extreme classes should be combined to allow the bigger payoffs with out more expenses.
Extreme: 1 Extreme: 2-4 Extreme: 5+ Ultimate Extreme: (things like servo 60" woofers) Lets let our minds loose with creativity!
Street should have something done to discourage pro's from taking an easy win. Street should be at finals but it should be limited to new faces to the competition circut.
Super street can be the same.
This would also leave less classes for a much bigger payout and reduce Waynes headache with paying peoples overtime at finals. And there is more time to meet friends and enjoy the show.
I hope I have shed some new thoughts and maybe inspired some people to help move dB Drag to a level where we all win one way or another.
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glad you brought it up db don that's exactly what's on my mind.
also to add, it takes much more money to build an exteme vehicle and i think the prize should increase like wise.
really, a street vehicle with less than $1500 into it getting the same cash as an extreme with $3000-4000 easy?!!!
1-3 equal prize money all catagory's. street should get least amounts then increased into the extreme class.
i wouldn't touch the classes except for the extreme's. with less people competing in extreme class and scores being so close i think they should be grouped. how so maybe another thread.
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Classes should stay the same and as a extreme competitor I still feel payouts should be the same for 1-3 place in decending amounts.I built a extreme vehicle because I wanted to not because it makes me more money I did It to be the loudest vehicle in the world just like everyone else does. Money is great but just like sports it ruins the fun, people play or do what they do for the love as money gets larger so does the disapointment when you lose it, in turn promoting cheating or unsportsman like conduct. We don't need negative attitude derived from money nor do any of us want to rebuild our vehicles because someone wants to combine classes. Eliminate gray areas in rules and leave the clases and money as I stated above.. just my 2 cents. BEN SAMS my stats button is inop.
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quote: 1. Prize money should be the same. 2. dosnt matter either way. Maybe a member vote. 3. I think that the extreme 9-12, and 13+ should be combined.As they where in 2000. All other classes should remain the same for Super Street, and extreme.
i have to agree with Anthony Lloyd on this. about the only classes that should be combined are ex9-12 and 13+
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Hell, now that I look at it, ALL of the EX 1-2 competitors were louder than the EX 13+'s who had the same placing. (meaning that 1st place 1-2 was louder than 1st place 13+, 2nd place 1-2 was louder than 2nd place 13+, 3rd place 1-2 was louder than 3rd place 13+, 4th place 1-2 was louder than 4th place 13+, 5th place 1-2 was louder than 5th place 13+, 6th place 1-2 was louder than 6th place 13+..and so on) See where I am going with this?
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I am looking at the big picture. I have had a extreme car for the last 4 years. I've built a ss car last season for a friend. I have worked on street cars. Have you ever seen the bill it takes to build a competive extreme car ,evan in 1-2 ? Let alone 13+. You are looking at over 100,000 dollars just to build a 13+ car. I spent 12,000 dollars just to build my extreme car. That does not include a tow vechile, trailor, and travel costs.I can not afford to move or compete against someone with 4 woofers. It cost my Friend at lot less to build his SS 1-2. I believe he spent 3000 to build his system. Which did over a 160. do you understand how hard it is for someone to gain 1.5db in whicj it would take for a 1-2 car to catch and beat a 3-4 vechile?It is alot easyer to gain 1.5 db in a superstreet ot a street vechile. We gained 3 db in his truck by changing out subs and added 4 amps. Which was a very cheap upgrade. I would have to spend at least 5 grand more to add 2 subs , 8 amps and 12 more batteries to be in the ballpark for that type of gain. That would not include a new trailor to support the weight I would add to my vechile. to add to the overal cost of competing.
I didnt have to build a extreme car, neither did any of the extreme guys. We do this a passion for the sport.But without these cars. This sport would not be as successfull. By combining this class. You would see a influx of extreme guys either A. Retire or B. Move down. 2 things you dont need. Do you really want guys like Cook, Hughes ,Reid, Benton and countless others. to drop into the Super street classes and dominate. the extreme classes are for all the glory. The Winston Cup of Db Drag Racing. These are by far the toughest classes of all.
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combining classes, yeah right and you think people are complaining now. since the vast majority of competitors dont recieve prize money, it would do more harm than good.
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I am looking at the big picture. I have had a extreme car for the last 4 years. I've built a ss car last season for a friend. I have worked on street cars. Have you ever seen the bill it takes to build a competive extreme car ,evan in 1-2 ? Let alone 13+. You are looking at over 100,000 dollars just to build a 13+ car. I spent 12,000 dollars just to build my extreme car. That does not include a tow vechile, trailor, and travel costs.I can not afford to move or compete against someone with 4 woofers. It cost my Friend at lot less to build his SS 1-2. I believe he spent 3000 to build his system. Which did over a 160. do you understand how hard it is for someone to gain 1.5db in whicj it would take for a 1-2 car to catch and beat a 3-4 vechile?It is alot easyer to gain 1.5 db in a superstreet ot a street vechile. We gained 3 db in his truck by changing out subs and added 4 amps. Which was a very cheap upgrade. I would have to spend at least 5 grand more to add 2 subs , 8 amps and 12 more batteries to be in the ballpark for that type of gain. That would not include a new trailor to support the weight I would add to my vechile. to add to the overal cost of competing.
I didnt have to build a extreme car, neither did any of the extreme guys. We do this a passion for the sport.But without these cars. This sport would not be as successfull. By combining this class. You would see a influx of extreme guys either A. Retire or B. Move down. 2 things you dont need. Do you really want guys like Cook, Hughes ,Reid, Benton and countless others. to drop into the Super street classes and dominate. the extreme classes are for all the glory. The Winston Cup of Db Drag Racing. These are by far the toughest classes of all.
Settle down there killer. You are getting a little over excited. I didnt even state HOW the classes could be changed, I simply stated that I think they should be changed in some, way, shape, or form. No one said you didnt spend alot of money, no one said you didnt spend alot of time, and no one said you werent dedicated to this sport.. So keep the drama out of this discussion please, we are all entitled to our opinions.
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Im just trying to give you and everyone else idea on how much a extreme competor spends and valuse this sport. Before people jump on the bandwagon of getting rid of half of the extreme classes. Maybe one day you will have a chance to understand this for yourself.
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