Nobody will make nothing for you,you will have to make the way. If you want i have some ideas for make events and figh for dbdrag sport!! visit www.automusica.com sorry for my english
-------------------- Guillermo Blanco dbDrag Retailer from Argentina and Chile
quote:Originally posted by TheBigOki: So, and to make it easier, please Wayne, make a international/non US or Europe section here. Always this mix with certified in USA and then between all this posting a cry for help from Europa, or Australia, or Asia or... it´s not easy to follow or argue in correct form.
A new topic where we can discuss rules that apply to us outside U.S would be good.
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quote:Originally posted by TheBigOki: Hi or Low, single double or triple point, our results will all be "calibrated" But if they will be accepted as "certified" ? Let´s see...
Üüüühh!!! Michael
PS.: Help !!! Not more, just Help !!!
Sorry Michael, But In belgium I used on all events the calibrator and still they are not "certified"
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Hi Kris, this is what I want to say, some use it, but aren´t certified...
Oh, Guillermo, it´s ok to get help from the organisation, were we are members. And the solutions must be for competitors and db Drag officials, everywhere...
If I wan´t to go my way formyself, I don´t need dB Drag and his rules or people. Then I can start "Oki´s dB Circus" or so... But dB Drag is good, and I love dB Drag, but I wan´t, that dB Drag loves me, and all competitors too, ok?
One time a thing becomes very big, like dB Drag, then new problems come up. And they must be solved then.
Üüüühh!!! Michael
Ps.: Did I say it ? Help !!!
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The dBDRA has been in the process of finding the right people to run dB Drag Racing in each country. We have a very good group of people and I expect things to be much better in 2002. We are meeting with most of these agents at CES.
All of the issues that are being brought up by international competitors will be discussed. Many of the issues have already been resolved.
With regards to rules, there will only be one set of rules for everyone, regardless of where they live.
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quote:Originally posted by fixxxer: I see no problem with restricting certified scores to triple point events as long as there are enough events to cover a majority of the country, giving everyone a fair and somewhat equal chance. *cough*Michigan*cough*
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I would have to rethink my choice to compete this year if 3x events were the only place to get a certified SPL. Making 15 to 20 events in Northern states is a little more difficult to begin with, this only makes things harder. -- Why not work toward have more educated judges who are knowedgeable of how the equipment should be setup and maintained? --
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CERTIFIED AT A 3X ONLY!THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!You don't have to worry about people not knowing how to use the equipment involved(calibrater)like we had in kc and st.louis.2x events that the people running it had never run a single event before ,BUT sure enough they were having an event that counted as a certified score.this sucked because they didnt even know the classes.i had 2 18's and 4 9.0s,10 batteries and no interior,but they put me in street 1-2 because i didnt have a wall.i had to tell them my class in the lanes AFTER they inspected my vehicle.this is why 3x events should be the ONLY certified events,just like the have always been.2001 was the first and hopefully only year 2x were certified.certified events REALLY SHOULD HAVE EXPERIENCED HEAD JUDGES.just my thoughts
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Where in St. Louis were events held? I have no input about mulitpoint events at this time cuz no matter how it ends up, its gonna cost a fortune to compete!!!
Adam Sippel T&A Racing (waiting for the rules before I decide my future)
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How about another thing. Have the multi point judges take tests.. MAKE THEM KNOW THE RULE BOOK! charge them $100 for every miscall. That way we dont have to go to finals and waste $500 on a MISSED CALL. Certified judges should be like refs, they train, and know every rule by heart... THEY ARE EXPECTED TO KNOW EVERY RULE!
-------------------- Matt Brandsoy 2000 Street 1-2 Champion Team CRX Team Sweet Sounds "Rumble Bee"
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Each franchise agent signs an agreement with the dBDRA that states that they will not add to, take away, or modify the rules. I will be discussing issues such as this with our agents at CES.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Each franchise agent signs an agreement with the dBDRA that states that they will not add to, take away, or modify the rules. I will be discussing issues such as this with our agents at CES.
Really ?? Do you mean they will sign or that they have signed ? That would be nice. The situation has been quite far from that, but this year we had some progress.
Okey... but of course some parts we should think as non-us, you know... like think the world finals as eurofinals over here and stuff like that. But it is not very easy.. try thinking that you would have independent representative in each state in US, and you couldn't keep much contact with them - and then add they all speak different languages, have finals for all states... then you can start trying to understand a little part of the deal here in europe
We have smaller countries so to get dbdrag in a better level we need international activities. So far for example the classes have been different in almost every country compared to the other. Not to speak about how rules are interpreted and stuff like that (because only way to know what rules you guys follow there is to come there and see, reading the rulebook is sadly not enough).
Anyway, with time we will get it better and better, right?!
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Oh hey Wayne, have you scheduled some certain time to have a little meeting with reps. or do you deal one by one with all of us ?
Proposition, could you make a clear list to the rules what it takes to have a multipoint event and certified scores - in a way it would stand also for rest of the world ?! Calibrator is a must I guess, but other stuff... like what kind of judges there should be and all that. Just a thought, but I think in Europe, it should require some international activity to have multipoint events, for example having a representative/judge at least from one other country in a multipoint event hosted by other country... sorry I am not very good at explaining my thought, just try to figure out
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In Argentina havent 2x or3x or4x events!!! Only simple points events For participated in the Final the competitors needs 10 point acumulated in the year. Only in the multipoint events you can acumulated points. The other event ( regional) you cannot acumulated points If a competitor win in a multipoint event he have 8 point acumulated ,so he need 2 point more for participated in the final event. In the final event of Multipoint can participated every competitors who have 10 points minimum. and clasificated one for one and only the best 8 competing in the next step. The competitors yes or yes needs compete in a minimum 2 events. The regionals events used for the new blood and the best of regional events participed in Multipoint event.
-------------------- Guillermo Blanco dbDrag Retailer from Argentina and Chile
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wayne, what do they sign? how come the problem arose at finals where a whole crew didn't even know a BIG rule? Just curious.
Wayne, you need to make it so no points are acquired from before the membership is purchased, otherwise you have people waiting till the end of the year to purchase one. Then at all multipoint events everyone will have their DISK etc. Plus this will bring more money into db drag.
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1. Competitors would like to see certified scores at 3X events only because they feel the officiating is better and the metering equipment is calibrated correctly and working properly.
2. The downside is that it may difficult to get a certified spl if we limit certified scores to 3X events only. The geographic (and international) distribution of events may require competitors to drive a LONG way to compete in a 3X event.
3. International competitors want more muli-point events and an opportunity to establish certifed scores. (A plan for addressing this issue will be discussed with the dBDRA Agents at CES.)
My initial reaction is that we will need to continue awarding certified scores at 2X events as well as 3X events. With that being said, I see a few areas where potential improvement can be made...
1. Only World Finals certifed judges may officiate at 2X and 3X events.
2. Retailers must host at least one single point event prior to hosting a 2X event.
3. A minimum distance between multipoint events will be required when those events take place on the same weekend.
I have started a new thread called Multipoint Event Summary. Please post your comments there.
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