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Honestly, I still think that if street class is to be offered at finals, points should not be given in the street class at 1x events.
This would automatically "weed out" the pros, since they are the people wanting points. Granted, they might have to go against competition that is quite a bit more challenging, but isnt the street class supposed to promote upward movement in classes anyways?
As far as the pro street idea, I must admit I am against it becasue it seems that adding two more classes would dilute an already over abundant number of classes. At any given 1x show there would only be a few competitors in "pro street".
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As someone who wants to get into DbDrag racing I find it very hard and discouraging as it stands right now. I want to compete to win or have a fair chance at winning...but as things stand right now me with my 2 $100 subs and 1000watt amp dont have a chance in hell against someone with 2 12's and a 4000watt amp and $5000 in gear, so Id rather just watch others and save myself the $20 and the humilitaion of getting spanked.
I think that if there was a price cap put on the street class that would be a HUGE help to make the playing feild more level. I would also suggest that pros not be allowed to compete in the street classes. I think that keeping a street 1-2 class at finals would be a wise idea 'cause every person competes to win a title of some sort and what would be better than being able to say "I have the loudest street beat car on the planet" nothing would be better than that, besides that if someone goes to finals they'd get a tatse of how great Db Dragging can be and they'll be hooked for like and will more than likly get a friend or 2 involved as well.
These are just my humble opinions and I hope my $.02 helps a little bit.
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quote:Originally posted by Bassmecha: As someone who wants to get into DbDrag racing I find it very hard and discouraging as it stands right now. I want to compete to win or have a fair chance at winning...but as things stand right now me with my 2 $100 subs and 1000watt amp dont have a chance in hell against someone with 2 12's and a 4000watt amp and $5000 in gear, so Id rather just watch others and save myself the $20 and the humilitaion of getting spanked.
I think that if there was a price cap put on the street class that would be a HUGE help to make the playing feild more level. I would also suggest that pros not be allowed to compete in the street classes. I think that keeping a street 1-2 class at finals would be a wise idea 'cause every person competes to win a title of some sort and what would be better than being able to say "I have the loudest street beat car on the planet" nothing would be better than that, besides that if someone goes to finals they'd get a tatse of how great Db Dragging can be and they'll be hooked for like and will more than likly get a friend or 2 involved as well.
These are just my humble opinions and I hope my $.02 helps a little bit.
All I can say is this comes from a true street competitor in Canada that didnt compete at one event at all due to the fact there were pros in the street classes I know of 3 cars that drove around and spanked everyone in these classes while other people were trying to have fun.
The best competition I was at all year was in medicine hat, ALberta. They have a Db Drag once a year and the loudest in street 1-2 was a 145dB the lowest was a 132dB it was really tight competition with guys sitting there playing there rave music and everyting it was such great fun.
Id like to see the street class be lots of fun again without all the competition but how do we do this?????
See I havent seen one good arguement either on why to keep it. Anyway you look at it people in street class are gonna be sponsored I know becasue we have like 4 customers of ours who are gonna be buying products for really good bargain deals and will have like 1000 watts and 2000 watts and 2 12" subs. There good guys but these guys dont want that power nevermind can they barely afford the power. They are only doing it to compete with the Pros which will put them into debt.
All the street Guys In Canada here from my point of view dont even know you can go to World Finals for street class. They think these competitions are held for fun.
So what do we do with these guys who just want to have fun???
Isnt that what street class is suppose to be???
Fun lots of head to head battling with a buddy from down the block to see whos 2 10" subs or 2 12" subs are louder????
I want to ask a serious question here
How many people who work at retail stores who hold Db Drag events notice people stop attending Db Drags becasue they cant keep up to the street Pros????
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As far as the pro street idea, I must admit I am against it becasue it seems that adding two more classes would dilute an already over abundant number of classes. At any given 1x show there would only be a few competitors in "pro street".
Exactly! Most street competitors at local shows don't care about finals or points. They just want to get there system tested and beat their buddy.
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Ok lets talk about local events, last season I went to 16 shows which includes SBN which doesnt show on my stats page cause I didnt qualify. Anyway, in going to all these events last season through out FL what class had the most competitors? Street! What classes had the LEAST was SS and Extreme. And only ONE of these shows was in my direct home town of Orlando. What I am getting to is that we keep talking about there being too many classes, street is the first to be on the chopping block. Well if you look at show turn out, street classes are the bulk of the competitors at 1X events. The ONLY time I see even a decent amount of SS or Extreme competitors show up is 3X events. And how many 3X events are there compared to 1X events?
Can you see what I am getting at? Street competitors contribute a lot of money to dbdrag. If you get rid of it at finals, the people that are serious BUT cannot physically afford SS or EX will go away, or go to another org for competition.
I agree that there were some major issues with the rule being exploited/grey area abuse, but if we are to become a greater and stronger competition body we must look at the bad as well as the good. And we cannot over look the lower/smaller competitors for they are the future. Do you think the current SS and EX competitors are going to be the ONLY SS and EX competitors we have from now on?
If dbdrag is to continue to grow and prosper you cannot simply forget the little guys. And yes there are going to be some people in street class that get stomped by seasoned street competitors. However, do we as dbdrag competitors and organization want the type of person that is going to throw a fit and complain about getting beaten at one local event or do we want the person thats going to look at why he/she got beaten and then go back and make there vehicle better to win?
Overall I say again refine street class, make it better, don't send the class packing or you will send a lot of that money that comes into dbdrag along with the competitors packing with it.
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quote:Originally posted by It only Hertz in Cycles: Originally posted by netlohcs:
Man that just told half the people out here in car stereoland to "get lost"
i agree there are to many classes on top and not enough down where us po'folks can afford to play
Those people who apparenty you think he just told to get lost are people who are just competing for fun anyway, therefore remaining in the LOCAL street class competitions. He didnt tell anyone to get lost. He said compete street locally, or step up the SS or extreme if you wnat to become a big time competitor.
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quote: Well if you look at show turn out, street classes are the bulk of the competitors at 1X events. The ONLY time I see even a decent amount of SS or Extreme competitors show up is 3X events.
Most of the street competitors at local 1X shows compete for fun, not for finals. We GOT to have this class for the locals/newbies. Question is, do we want to offer the same class at finals for the pro's?
Street class is the best class for retailers, once its fixed.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by XtremeHonda: And yes there are going to be some people in street class that get stomped by seasoned street competitors. However, do we as dbdrag competitors and organization want the type of person that is going to throw a fit and complain about getting beaten at one local event or do we want the person thats going to look at why he/she got beaten and then go back and make there vehicle better to win? [QUOTE]
I know alot of competitors that LOVE to compete, but don't cause they don't want to get beat by seasoned competitors.
I know retailers that LOVE dB Drag as a whole, but may not host another event cause of the out of towners beating their local guys. They would rather have their own type of competition. That hurts dB Drag, and restricts the amount of sanctioned dB Drag shows in YOUR area when that happens.
I know that there are ALOT of street competitors that want to have a goal/ purpose for competing. That would be dB Drag Racing World Finals. There are ALOT if not MORE street competitors that don't care about finals or points.The ones the retailers worry about are the ones that don't care about finals.
Retailers looks for ways to promote their business and increase sales, so they look at hosting a dB Drag Racing competition.
I've heard people say that without competitors, there would be no dB Drag. The truth is, without RETAILERS there would be no dB Drag. As stated, most of the competitors are in street class. We all know, that the majority of this class, don't care about finals. So without the street class going to finals, their will still be retailers hosting dB Drags, cause there will still be competitors wanting to compete.
Bottom Line: We need local only competition class.
Question: Do we want to offer a small class (Street)for the Pro's at finals?
quote:Originally posted by XtremeHonda: Ok lets talk about local events, last season I went to 16 shows which includes SBN which doesnt show on my stats page cause I didnt qualify. Anyway, in going to all these events last season through out FL what class had the most competitors? Street! What classes had the LEAST was SS and Extreme. And only ONE of these shows was in my direct home town of Orlando. What I am getting to is that we keep talking about there being too many classes, street is the first to be on the chopping block. Well if you look at show turn out, street classes are the bulk of the competitors at 1X events. The ONLY time I see even a decent amount of SS or Extreme competitors show up is 3X events. And how many 3X events are there compared to 1X events?
Can you see what I am getting at? Street competitors contribute a lot of money to dbdrag. If you get rid of it at finals, the people that are serious BUT cannot physically afford SS or EX will go away, or go to another org for competition.
I agree that there were some major issues with the rule being exploited/grey area abuse, but if we are to become a greater and stronger competition body we must look at the bad as well as the good. And we cannot over look the lower/smaller competitors for they are the future. Do you think the current SS and EX competitors are going to be the ONLY SS and EX competitors we have from now on?
If dbdrag is to continue to grow and prosper you cannot simply forget the little guys. And yes there are going to be some people in street class that get stomped by seasoned street competitors. However, do we as dbdrag competitors and organization want the type of person that is going to throw a fit and complain about getting beaten at one local event or do we want the person thats going to look at why he/she got beaten and then go back and make there vehicle better to win?
Overall I say again refine street class, make it better, don't send the class packing or you will send a lot of that money that comes into dbdrag along with the competitors packing with it.
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Question is, do we want to offer the same class at finals for the pro's?
Steve, that is the main question here now. I think the point that a class for local competitors is needed, but not at finals, is fairly obvious now. However there is no reason to not have a Pro Street class! In my opinion this will give the new guy a stepping stone into his second year of db drag, otherwise people may never think they can compete with the big boys, therefore never step up.
I think EVERYONE can agree that the enitre purpose of this discussion is how to better db drag for the upcoming season.
Well then tell me how just flat out eliminating a class that is feasible for hundreds if not thousands of competitors helps db drag. People say they haven't heard a good argument to have a street class at finals, yet it seems as though they are so busy trying to sharpen their axes to chop the street class's head off that they are offending their potential friends, customers and competitors.
This topic is like beating dead horse, close it up and lets have a vote on if we should have a pro street class at finals!
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Well tell me this how do we get rid of all the complaining that goes on in this class???
Dont get me wrong I want it to stay but what happens to the guys withe 300 watts I guess just say goodbye to them.
We need a way to keep the newbies in and still have fun.............
Street(newbies and local guys) Pro-Street(veterans etc.) I can see were the local guys need a place to play and get hooked without getting stomped, yet I started out last year by getting stomped. I really want to see a place for the new guys too though.
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I have been competing in the DB Drag circuit for the past three years all of which have been in the Street division. To me the street division is like the Minor Leagues of Baseball. I feel that the Minor League and the Street division are the same, because you have a bunch of people competing to one day make it into the big leagues or the Super Street and Extreme divisions. Of course you are gonna have your stars, it is like that in all of sports, but like all stars there is that chance that the new comers will beat the stars and that is what makes this league fun. I feel that if you take the Street division away from finals you will hurt DB Drag Racing. What is the point of competing if you cant go to The World Finals. This is why I compete in the street division, so when the time comes for me to take it to the next level I will. The Street division is very competitive because we are limited to what we can do to make the highest SPL. The cost of competing in the Street Division is very cheap when compared to Super Street or Extreme division. So, while you guys are thinking about removing The Street division from world finals just imagine what baseball would be like with no World Series. I am looking forward to competing in the Street Division this year and hopefully making it to finals, but If you take the street division away I will just have to go somewhere else that has this type of division and I like the way DB Drag is setup and its competitors so I don’t want to leave. I hope this helps you guys in your decision to keep the Street division in finals.
Thanks in advance for keeping The Street division in finals, M. Starke Street 1-2 Competitor
Street competitors want a way to go to finals, but not stomp the newbies.
SS and Extreme competitors either don't care or want to do away with the Street class at finals (more room and invites for them).
Retailers want to limit the number of classes and still offer enough classes so that the locals and and the serious competitor have a place, but don't want to spend a fortune on trophies.
Street/Pro Street idea: Good for the newibies, good for the street guys looking to go to finals, bad for the retailer (more classes and trophies).
No points in street at 1X: Good for the newbies, bad for the street guys looking to go to finals (must run SSNW, SS, or Extreme at local events), and good for the retailer (same number of classes and the newbies will actually go to a show).
No street at finals: Good for the newbies, bad (very bad) for the street guys looking to go to finals, and good for the retailer (same number of classes and newbies will attend). Bad for dB drag as a whole as it will lose some competitors.
Leave things alone: Bad for the newbies, good for the guys wanting to go to finals in street, bad for the retailer (same number of classes, but poor attendance of locals).
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