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I think that it would be virtually impossible to police the newbie/pro thing. That is the biggest problem...how do you really know where this so called newbie has gotten his equipment and system design?
In my opinion, the only way to really have a street class, is to kinda stick to the spirit of the street class in the first place. And that is "street" vehicles, and "street" installs. By that I mean, keep them at least "newbie type" installs. For example, if you kept it to strictly passenger cars, and by passenger I mean NO, I repeat, NO, cargo vans! With all the seats, removable or otherwise to remain in, (I think we can agree, this will keep the vehicles on an even playing field). And restrict the amps to single mono or 2 channel amps (I think we all know what I mean by that). This will at least keep the numbers somewhat close at most of the shows, because it should make it at least a bit more difficult to have like a 20 cubic foot box against a 4 cubic footer, and the amps will probably top out at 2kw. And for God sakes, if you are a competitor who has the resources and the designing potential to go big, DO IT! Just do it in the Super or Extreme classes. Let's be cool to the competitors who will keep this sport we all love moving ahead in the future, and leave the street class to them to learn and have some fun, and maybe god forbid pick up the odd trophy.... Let's leave the cargo vans and the super tweaky expensive amps for the super street and the extreme classes, we will be happy we did that in the future. And for those of us putting on shows we can help out by having a newbie class at some of our db drags, this helps us that own businesses to develop some good customers, and it doesn't discourage anybody either.
Sorry for being long winded, just don't want to see a mistake made here that could be detrimental to db drag potential.
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quote:Originally posted by BoomKing: I think that it would be virtually impossible to police the newbie/pro thing. That is the biggest problem...how do you really know where this so called newbie has gotten his equipment and system design?
In my opinion, the only way to really have a street class, is to kinda stick to the spirit of the street class in the first place. And that is "street" vehicles, and "street" installs. By that I mean, keep them at least "newbie type" installs. For example, if you kept it to strictly passenger cars, and by passenger I mean NO, I repeat, NO, cargo vans! With all the seats, removable or otherwise to remain in, (I think we can agree, this will keep the vehicles on an even playing field). And restrict the amps to single mono or 2 channel amps (I think we all know what I mean by that). This will at least keep the numbers somewhat close at most of the shows, because it should make it at least a bit more difficult to have like a 20 cubic foot box against a 4 cubic footer, and the amps will probably top out at 2kw. And for God sakes, if you are a competitor who has the resources and the designing potential to go big, DO IT! Just do it in the Super or Extreme classes. Let's be cool to the competitors who will keep this sport we all love moving ahead in the future, and leave the street class to them to learn and have some fun, and maybe god forbid pick up the odd trophy.... Let's leave the cargo vans and the super tweaky expensive amps for the super street and the extreme classes, we will be happy we did that in the future. And for those of us putting on shows we can help out by having a newbie class at some of our db drags, this helps us that own businesses to develop some good customers, and it doesn't discourage anybody either.
Sorry for being long winded, just don't want to see a mistake made here that could be detrimental to db drag potential.
WE ARE DB DRAGGERS! LET'S KEEP IT COOL AND ACCESSIBLE BY ALL!
[ 12-15-2001: Message edited by: BoomKing ]
Very well said...
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I believe that the best thing is to have a pro street class that goes to finals,and if a show sponsor wants to, they can have a street class for local newbies.I love stereo comps, but i know that me and alot of my friends can't afford to bump up to SS/EXT. I still think a prostreet class is the best option.All that needs to be done to keep them sererate is you have to pick one at the comps you attend. Once you go into pro street you have to stay there.There should be a class that people can afford to compete in with out spending a ton of money.Pro street goes to the big show, street doesn't.This will be my first year of "really" competing, last season i went to my first show.I went to only 6 more comps,which bring the total of shows i have been in to 7.I am willing to go into pro street in my first year,i think it would be good to let the people that will be in the class to make up there own minds as to compete in street, or pro street.I know that the shows i went to had more people in street 1-2 than any other class, so i don't think turn out would be a problem.I also know of alot of people that have recently bought, or are getting fo X-mas, new equipment for street class in the hopes of making it to finals, myself included.All i'm saying is that ALL the people that i know that planned on running in a street class this season,are afraid they wasted there money on things that the hoped would take them to finals.Thank you for your time.
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Taking away the street class altogether would be a big mistake in my opinion. Why can't everyone just go out and have fun. Pro street, street, it makes not difference, its a class were rules are to be followed and competitors try to get as loud as they can. Their needs to be a class for the people that can't afford the SS and Extreme classes. If dbdrag doesn't alow a street class to go to finals they will see a huge loss in competitors to USAC and other organizations that have cheaper formats. Just revise the rules in the class and let the competitors have some fun. Getting rid of it won't solve anything. It will just make the complaining worse. If your not doing this sport to have fun, what are you doing it for?
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quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: man, this is gonna be really confusing for Wayne...there are like 160 posts and very few people can agree. I say leave it up to Waynes good judgement to make a first draft and then have a vote (poll style) for minor changes
I agree 100%. Everything that needs to be said has been said, and we are just being redundant. Wayne should try to take the information out there and try to draw up a first draft.
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I agree 100%. Everything that needs to be said has been said, and we are just being redundant. Wayne should try to take the information out there and try to draw up a first draft.
Agreed. Everyone has gotten their word in that has wanted to, its time for wayne to take this information and go from there.
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keep street class exactly like it is for everybody yes points and yes finals. db drag should encourage event retailers to have a local class that dosent consist of points for those who arent serious about competing. street class has evolved into a great class unfortunatly its not how the cass was designed. but trial and error brings us great classes like street my final thoughts keep street for all competitors and keep it up to the retailers to promote new competitors in local classes
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quote:Originally posted by rondog: keep street class exactly like it is for everybody yes points and yes finals. db drag should encourage event retailers to have a local class that dosent consist of points for those who arent serious about competing. street class has evolved into a great class unfortunatly its not how the cass was designed. but trial and error brings us great classes like street my final thoughts keep street for all competitors and keep it up to the retailers to promote new competitors in local classes
quote:Originally posted by rondog: keep street class exactly like it is for everybody yes points and yes finals. db drag should encourage event retailers to have a local class that dosent consist of points for those who arent serious about competing. street class has evolved into a great class unfortunatly its not how the cass was designed. but trial and error brings us great classes like street my final thoughts keep street for all competitors and keep it up to the retailers to promote new competitors in local classes
They should make it so the local Street class guys/girls who dont care about points and only go to the local events get to pay 1/2 price. They can still conpete in the same class as the rest of us street people they just wouldnt get a stats page or points, but they would still have a chance to take hopme a trophy and local bragging rights...
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quote:Originally posted by rondog: keep street class exactly like it is for everybody yes points and yes finals. db drag should encourage event retailers to have a local class that dosent consist of points for those who arent serious about competing. street class has evolved into a great class unfortunatly its not how the cass was designed. but trial and error brings us great classes like street my final thoughts keep street for all competitors and keep it up to the retailers to promote new competitors in local classes
You obviously aren't a retailer. You want to add to the classes we now have? I spend more than I take in on trophies now!!!! And that would mean more trophies!!!
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You obviously aren't a retailer. You want to add to the classes we now have? I spend more than I take in on trophies now!!!! And that would mean more trophies!!!
We dont need to add any classes...mabie just combind the extreme 9-12 and 13+ into one like the ss 9+ is...
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No Street class in world finals? Are you CRAZY? Listen why don't we just eliminate Super street and all go extreme that way it eliminates the fuss in the future when super street complaines that there are too many street class competitors? Have you ever heard of the Dominoe effect? Dont dbDrag Members realize how terrible it would be if people in street class had nothing to look forward to? Thats like going to work for 40hrs and not getting paid? Don't these Street competritors deserve reward for what they do? I Know thet when my Fiance and I started competing it was just 1-2 woofers, 3-5, 6-8, and 9+ classes I believe. That was REALLY Fare yeah us in our car with our inexpensive woofers and amps where competitng against people that had been doing this for years and had walls in there cars. Which brings me to another point.. Why not get rid of the wall class too? Maybe we should not break up the classes by amount of woofers either? That way it will just be a free for all and whoever has the most money wins? Yeah that would be fun. My Whole point is is that this is silly. Why Tell a dog that he can look at a bone but can't gnaw on it? Thats just cruelty. I Say Let Street Compete in World finals.. if they went to enough events to earn the points to go.. why shouldnt they go??
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: The Street Division was originally created as an "entry level" division for competition. In other words, this division was created so that ANY competitor could participate in dB Drag Racing and get a "taste" of how fun dB Drag Racing can be.
Entry level..... Taste.....
I have read this entire post, and still have not heard a convincing argument as to why street DESERVES to be at finals. It was intentionally created to be an entry level class, where newbies get an idea of what this sport is like.
Once a street competitor tries competing, the INTENT is that they move up, to a true competition class, building a true competition vehicle.
Now, I have read a lot of posts where people say they are unwilling to "destroy a car" or "spend rediculous ammounts of money" on a vehicle. Well, I dont mean to sound rude but that is what THIS SPORT is all about. Thats almost like saying you want to be a marathon runner, but dont really want to spend the time training and conditioning. It doesnt work.
I'm sorry, but if you dont want to spend the money, or commit the vehicle, then the top levels of this sport may not be for you.
I myself have come to terms with this. I realize that I cannot fund an enormous finals worthy competition vehicle. HOWEVER, I still keep it fun. I enjoy the money and time I can invest, and realize that I've given it my best efforts.
I think some people need to evaluate their efforts, and think about weather or not their actions DESERVE an invitation to finals. Finals should be for those who are VERY comitted to this sport, and thus make sacrafices to achieve a goal.
-------------------- Nate Scholten Team Sounds And Motion SS 1-2 3rd place 2004 finals -THE BUILD- ~Our Drinking Team Has A Stereo Problem~
I have read this entire post, and still have not heard a convincing argument as to why street DESERVES to be at finals. It was intentionally created to be an entry level class, where newbies get an idea of what this sport is like.
Once a street competitor tries competing, the INTENT is that they move up, to a true competition class, building a true competition vehicle.
Now, I have read a lot of posts where people say they are unwilling to "destroy a car" or "spend rediculous ammounts of money" on a vehicle. Well, I dont mean to sound rude but that is what THIS SPORT is all about. Thats almost like saying you want to be a marathon runner, but dont really want to spend the time training and conditioning. It doesnt work.
I'm sorry, but if you dont want to spend the money, or commit the vehicle, then the top levels of this sport may not be for you.
I myself have come to terms with this. I realize that I cannot fund an enormous finals worthy competition vehicle. HOWEVER, I still keep it fun. I enjoy the money and time I can invest, and realize that I've given it my best efforts.
I think some people need to evaluate their efforts, and think about weather or not their actions DESERVE an invitation to finals. Finals should be for those who are VERY comitted to this sport, and thus make sacrafices to achieve a goal.
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Ok i'Ve not read the entire 7 pages of replys for this topic but here's my opinion for the original propositon.
According for the street rules (as of 2001) it's amazing what some pplz can do with a modest system. There is a great deal of challenge being there and making close to 160 dB with a modestly powered system. Also, keep in mind that it's not all people who can afford higher end systems (I keep in mind that dB Drag Racing is for all and evreyone) For that, a father of 3 sons who has to take care of his family but love to compete in dBDrag Racing might not have the luxury to have a high-end system (for practical or financial reasons) but he might be a worthwile competitor and for that reason if he wins enough comps, he should be allowed to participate in the World finals.
However, we should be precising and enforcing the Pro vs amateurs competitors. Amateurs are mostly one shot competitors, but pro people are usualy participating in more that one comp a year and have a deeper commitement towards DBDrag Racing. Amateurs should be avoiding the world finals and only a "Pro Street Class" competitor should attend.
Having stock vehicle could be also considered a criteria. Street competitors sometimes have too much modifications made and they are venturing too close to the super-street division.
Other than that, i have no other comments on that since i'm not in this class after all. But it's always nice to see ppl competing in this class. They are good for dB Drag Racing . Remember that one guy with a 12 inches in his trunk may catch a fever and buy 12 15" in an astro van and pump out 180 dB, just because he was in the finals and he saw some funky guys and girls with insane equipements... :-)
I have read this entire post, and still have not heard a convincing argument as to why street DESERVES to be at finals. It was intentionally created to be an entry level class, where newbies get an idea of what this sport is like.
Once a street competitor tries competing, the INTENT is that they move up, to a true competition class, building a true competition vehicle.
Now, I have read a lot of posts where people say they are unwilling to "destroy a car" or "spend rediculous ammounts of money" on a vehicle. Well, I dont mean to sound rude but that is what THIS SPORT is all about. Thats almost like saying you want to be a marathon runner, but dont really want to spend the time training and conditioning. It doesnt work.
I'm sorry, but if you dont want to spend the money, or commit the vehicle, then the top levels of this sport may not be for you.
I myself have come to terms with this. I realize that I cannot fund an enormous finals worthy competition vehicle. HOWEVER, I still keep it fun. I enjoy the money and time I can invest, and realize that I've given it my best efforts.
I think some people need to evaluate their efforts, and think about weather or not their actions DESERVE an invitation to finals. Finals should be for those who are VERY comitted to this sport, and thus make sacrafices to achieve a goal.
What is your definition of "committed"? How about building a whole different box every week? What, just because we dont spend 10grand on a car we dont DESERVE to have a chance at finals. Also what do you think the newbies are going to do? Go to one show and see they have to spend a crap load of money to compete in extreme or superstreet and just jump in and do it? The whole point of the class is to get people involved, not push them away.
And as for your CONVINCING argument on who DESERVES to go to finals. Serious street competitors work just as hard, and travel just as far as you do. Just because they dont spend the money doesnt mean they shouldnt have a shot at finals.
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