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Wow...I'm not even in the street class..yes i have posted my thoughts but it seems that some people are starting to blow things out of proportion...I have to say that there is no reason to start making rude remarks about someone because they made post about the topic matter...I'll use dave as an example...Mr. Lawerance just simply stated his opinion on the street class and rightly so, just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean you have to start ripping on mr. lawerance or anyone else for that matter..
I believe we saw a problem of people shooting off at the mouth on the forum after finals. Lets not have another fiasco like that on the rules...
Come on guys lets work together, waynes wants everyones opinions on the topic not making snide remarks about someone elses opinion on this...
We all have to understand that not everyone will be happy with whatever rules will be used, but hey you can't please everyone...
Intelligent comments people intelligent...don't bash someone else...
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has being a street 1-2 comp i really think if you don't compete in street shut up keep your comm to your own class.how about a trunk class and a hatchback class.our a car that actullay gets driven i have a 98 with 130,000 miles on it mostly driving to events cause they are 400 miles away.or give the judge the right to wave the bull **** flag.in almost every contest i was at i competed with sombody that had 15" nobody checked.its taken me 6 years to get my system were it is at. i like street and sombody always makes a loophole, when somthing comes up make a new law and email members its not that hard.if you compete with that vechical it can't change unless you have proof it got wrecked or stolen.being in the navy and watching the people they put me in charge. try to break rules everyday being in charge means you lay down the law.this goes out to the law maker you make the rules you own dbdrag rule with a big hammer if you don't like somthing drop it. so you make sombody mad its better than a whole class.people do things when you let them get away with it.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT!!!! I agree with dave lawrence and shock.. there is always going to be cars and equiptment with advantages NO MATTER WHAT rules you come up with, I say if you get rid of the vans then YOU MUST get rid of all two seaters because thats all a van is with the box behind the front seats.
like dave said there are no warm up classes in the NFL the NBA, NASCAR and many other BIG sports. remember this is an extreme sport we build the loudest cars on the planet!!!! no matter the class at finals they are the loudest!!! i have been doing this longer than most of you on this forum so i have a little more insight on this subject than most, IF street is kept at finals then it should be PRO STREET and i say leave the rules alone!!!!
local shows can do a STREET and a PRO STREET IF you make it to finals in PRO STREET then you better have you stuff together and leave your crying towel at home!!!!!
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Honestly though, I dont think the Street/Pro street idea would work, from a show holder's point of view. At your average competition there are probably about 30 or so vehicles I would guess? Of these, you probably have on average about 10-15 in the street classes. Of those 10-15 people, only 2 or 3 are "vetran competitors", meaning you are making a whole seperate class just for those few people. Brackets in these classes would never even be close to full.
I still think that forcing the hardcore street competitors into a higher class at 1x events is a better way to go. I think what we need to realize here though is that we are never going to find a solution that makes everyone happy
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Ok I am a newbie, this is my first year with db drags. I am a Street class Comp. and the whole reason i joined was to try and make it to the worlds. But I do agree that street class needs some mods, here are the ones i agree with.
No cargo vans in the Street Division.
If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
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some of you people blow my mind! Here I am workin my ass off to get my daily driver ready for the season to compete in a sport that basicaly is the soul reason why I got into H P audio in the fisrt place and someone says I have no right to go all the way to finals! It seems to me, competition is supposed to promote manufactures to make better products. What I am doing in my car does that, so does ss and extreme! So all three divisions are viable. Why are you hard core guys so against street class! Is it because we are the biggest class out there? We are supposed to be! As we move up the ranks we will thin out. So the less of us there is = the less of you there will be! So I think you should be helping us and supporting us on are journey! Three years ago when I went to my first drag I leard so much from the friendly open minded people going against me! It was about loud first! With out them I wouldn't care about any of you extreme guys but now I love the monster systoms! Please we should be in friendly cometision agenst each other and we sould be thinking of DBDRA and the goal (bein loud) first. This forum has realy bummed me out! I used to think D B dragers were the best, (well I still do) but now I will be carefull who I talk to at the drags! Some of you big boys are losing touch with the sport!
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quote:Originally posted by BIG NUTZ: well, heres my OPINION!!!
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT!!!! I agree with dave lawrence and shock.. there is always going to be cars and equiptment with advantages NO MATTER WHAT rules you come up with, I say if you get rid of the vans then YOU MUST get rid of all two seaters because thats all a van is with the box behind the front seats.
like dave said there are no warm up classes in the NFL the NBA, NASCAR and many other BIG sports. remember this is an extreme sport we build the loudest cars on the planet!!!! no matter the class at finals they are the loudest!!! i have been doing this longer than most of you on this forum so i have a little more insight on this subject than most, IF street is kept at finals then it should be PRO STREET and i say leave the rules alone!!!!
local shows can do a STREET and a PRO STREET IF you make it to finals in PRO STREET then you better have you stuff together and leave your crying towel at home!!!!!
I think that Street Class should be allowed at Finals.
Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.
There really is no need count them, if they are not gonna be used towards Finals.
Geographic limitations on Street Division competitors at the event promoters discretion. For example, if you are a retailer hosting an event, you can limit participation in the Street Division to only those competitors who live in your city or the cities you specify.
With this I think the retailer or promoter should create a seperate "LOCAL CLASS", that would solve the prpblem of heavy hitters, from driving long distances and destroying the local competitors.
No Pros in the Street Division.
I cannot see how that one could be enforced.
No cargo vans in the Street Division.
I do not know about that one???????????
If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
I think that may keep it on a more level playing field, at least it will make it look as if it was???????????????
Leave the Street Division alone.
No, I think it needs to be revised just a little.
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Leave street class the same, only difference should be if a competitor can put up a high number...lets say a 152 in street 1-2 or higher he gets points only towards finals and is moved to pro street for that event and no trophy,maybe give him a certificate for pro street.
Only pro street competitors can accumulate points and attend finals.
This way the newbie still has a chance to get a trophy and a first place finish for the event...and he might find himself competing in more events.
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1. Pro-street, points and invite to finals.
2. Street, no points, no finals. Class strictly for "newbies". When a "newbie" comes up and asks which class do i sign up for? The show promoter should explain the choices. The newbie competes against other newbies and at the same time learns what he or she has to do to be able to go into pro-street. This class will not get abused.
3. No cargo vans, or atleast boxes have to be back where they belong.
I think we should all remember that not everyone has the money to compete in super street. What fun is it to compete for nothing? There has to be street finals. I think its pretty awesome to see someone knock out a 155 with 2-12's and one amp. Alot of people work very hard for that score.
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quote:If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
This is the big one. If they are not able to put the boxes behind the front seat it gives people with normal 2dr-4dr vehicles a chance. I also feel that foldable seats should be allowed in street, but removable seats are not.
I would be willing to settle for just having the boxes put into the origional cargo area of a van, or SUV.
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quote:Originally posted by sirbangalot: I think we should all remember that not everyone has the money to compete in super street. What fun is it to compete for nothing? There has to be street finals. I think its pretty awesome to see someone knock out a 155 with 2-12's and one amp. Alot of people work very hard for that score.
Ya, buy pushing their boxes all the way forward...
Pro Street is just another name for SS. Should keep the amount of classes to a min. Newbies should be able to compete in finals. Otherwise what's their motivation for joining?
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Street class is needed. And I think it should also be at finals. Just because you didn't spend alot of money on your car doesn't mean that you shouldn't get recognition for your acomplishments at world finals... I THINK the only change that should be made is NO CARGOVANS...as for the box must be behind the rear door jamb, THAT IS REDICULOUS...the CRX's were hitting the same numbers as the caravans were at finals, it is definately possible to build a regular car as loud as a caravan with the box at the front...and those were cargo caravans...I feel that eliminating cargovans will level the feild, whereas making the vans have the box behind the rear door jamb would favour cars...and that is unfair for people who actually drive their regular van everyday (like me)
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I think Street Class should be at finals. I think there should be some changes in the rules to Truly make it street class.
1)I think there should be a cap on money spent on amp/subs. $1500 for s1-2 and $3000 s3-4. This should include the price on woofers, amps, bats and caps.
2)No Tri, quad, hex, or oct coil woofers. Only dual and single. And the impendence of a single coil shouldn't drop below 1ohm.
3)The size limitation on woofers should remain the same.
4)The electrical system should stay stock. The the exception of one extra battery in s1-2 and two extra bats in s3-4. One cap per amp.
5)Keep the rules on amps, one amp on s1-2 and two amps s3-4. No BS amps. All amps should be avaible on the average consumer.
6)Street class competitors should be able to play music. They should have highs and have the capibility to pound. These cars are suppost to be daily drivers. I think the street class competitor should play music with the SAME power thats used for competition. The subwoofers should take the power with ease, since it's a daily driver. A street system should play a wide variety of music, without sounding like crap, not just a one note wonder.
No matter what is done about street class, there's going to be a select few that will push the rules to the limits to win. If they want to win that bad so be it. I guess it's just an ego thing.
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Ya, buy pushing their boxes all the way forward...
Pro Street is just another name for SS. Should keep the amount of classes to a min. Newbies should be able to compete in finals. Otherwise what's their motivation for joining?
Pro-street is NOT another name for SS. Pro-street will keep the same rules. 1 amp 2-12 inch woofers! Where do you see that being superstreet? As for newbies being able to compete in finals thats fine. They will have to go up against people in pro-street! If they are not sure of their system and capabilities or are just going for around town bragging rights then they have the choice. No where in my post did i say that newbies couldnt go to finals, they will just have to compete in the pro-street.
And as for pushing boxes all the way forward, i am pretty sure Mike Stiers did 154.5 at finals from his trunk, so dont act like it cant be done.
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quote:Originally posted by Dave Lawrence: And just a little tidbit of info. DBDRA currently tracks over 3000 competirors. Of those 3000 how many do you think have memberships. Less than 350 that's right. Half the people go out get points all season and then if they are loud enough buy a membership and get an invite. How is that fair to Wayne. [ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: Dave Lawrence ]
A couple of points. DBDRA should set up a system to collect on memberships. If you compete, you should pay the membership, IMO.
Second, there is no true way to separate pros and 'newbies'. We all realize that the pro can build the 'newbies' system as Dave pointed out ealier.
Lastly, which bracket of competitors do we think supports local shops? I know when I competed in SS 1-2 I did not buy anything retail. I either had connections or headed to the For Sale section. It's something to ponder guys, street supports the local shops much more than SS or Ext.
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street class needs to be exactly what it was set up for [entry level competition ]. you will never get it to work with out keeping shop built,shop owners, shop workers,shop owners sons etc: ect: out of it. it must be keeped strictly amature.first year people keep to more of a grudge match type class.rules will need to be very clear and spelled out in simple terms no room for [well this is how i read it] everyone must be able to read it and get the same understanding.
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And just a little tidbit of info. DBDRA currently tracks over 3000 competirors. Of those 3000 how many do you think have memberships. Less than 350 that's right. Half the people go out get points all season and then if they are loud enough buy a membership and get an invite. How is that fair to Wayne.
I will agree that there are to many extreme classes. But that is not what this discussion is about.
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Very good point. Perhaps another rules proposition should be "to be considered in contention for finals, competitors must become dbDrag members prior to July 15". Or make it August - but make a cut-off early enough that guys can't just come out of nowhere in the last month or so, rack up points, and knock out the guys who did it all year. Perhaps make the same membership cut-off date the cut-off date for picking the class you'll compete in at finals...
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All due respect for shop owners and street competitors that want to compete at finals in street classes. But crushing a 16 year olds heart at his first competition by the same people that he bought or had install his equipment is not away to grow this industry. Pros or experienced installers do not belong against new competitors.
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Fully agreed we had a vehicle this year that wanted to go to World Finals really badly. We went to all the local competitions and traveled around to collect points to go to World Finals. We watched the street division fall slowly. Less people at every show it went from like 12 competitors to about 4 competitors. We werent happy that we were beating our customers but we had no choice we wanted to compete at World FInals in Street class.
Well As soon as we informed everyone we werent gonna be collecting anymore points there was all of a sudden like 10 competitors in that class again.
Now how does everyone else suggest we solve this. Street class was Earthquake amps, US Amps, ZAPCO 4K (Which as a retailer of Zapco can still not get a hold of), MMats D class amps and etc.
Now what happens to all those people with 300 watts and 2 10" subs???
What class do they compete in??
Where do 90 percent of our customers compete in???
As a manager of a car audio store and a Db Drag Racing Competitor who competed at Finals all of us competitors need to find some sort of resolution for this. First off if we do any power restrictions in this class back come the cheater amps again. Most people who held Db Drags last year no offense intended to anyone but in our area werent even knowledgeable on how much power most amps were capable of. We have watched guys tell people there mmats amps was 200 watts because it was a D200HC when it really does 1200 watts RMS. Not trying to label any companies in particular but that was an example. So how do we restrict this class or how do we make it better for next year???
I beleive street class should not be offered at finals. If street class isnt offered at finals this will be the best solution. We wont have guys at local comps with 2000 watts and 2 12" subs. If we have those people Db Drag Racing will go down. I notice a huge decrease in our area with people competing in that class. I watch competitors waiting for the last moment to see if that guy signs up in there class or not.
I am 100 percent for not offering street class at finals as much as I love the class so much I think this is the best solution.
Thanks for hearing me
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quote:Originally posted by fixxxer: Call me crazy, but when I first started competeing I got stomped a few times.. Did I go home and "cry" and quit competing after that?? NO, I went home and worked harder.
If a newbie goes to his first show and wins (because he is competing against a bunch of other complete newbies), whats going to drive him to keep competing? In his mind, he is already the loudest, why bother? Right?
Just something to think about.
Yeah some people can work harder but when most guys have a 300 watt amp and you have 2000 watts or 4000 watts how will that guy keep up when he has no money.
See most people in street class like to do it for fun. I remember competing when I was hittign 142dB in like 1997 and 1998 it was the funnest years of my life.
Remember the movie Driven. Those were the years of my life of absolute pure victory.
Why not let the newbie have the same feeling and the same fun.
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Dave, Shock and Danny have definitely made good points.
If I recall 4-6 years ago when competiting was strictly by watts. Their was not a vehicle at finals that did not have less than 6-8 woofers in the car. Multiple amps and batteries. The industry back then was bigger than ever. I competed but not on a national level because I could not afford it. I still had fun. In 1997 a class was intoduced. "Two woofers, 300watts or less" This class was big but was only offered locally. This might have been a Pittsburgh class only. But it got people interested and this class is what hooked myself into competing. It may have taken me two-three years later to get my first invite to finals but I worked hard and saved money to compete at the Super Street level.
Again I will use Pittsburgh as an example. In 1996-97 their were about 10 different stereo shops that held local events or IASCA IDBL events. There were always at least 30-40 competitors that all had walls and more money then my minimum wage job could afford. Four years later Pittsburgh has the same shops with only two competitors that qualified for finals (live in Pgh, not the surrounding areas). Only one stereo shop is holding events and that is due to Ben Fisher and his strong interest in the sport. But that shop is outside of the City. A city that went from a very stong and big competiting location has been flushed.
I have been asked by several Manufactures and Reps why I will not open a shop in Pittsburgh. They tell me I have the capablities of being very successful. The reason I don't is we are in a dying market in Pittsburgh. The main reason I blame this is because new competitors don't have the access to compete and have a chance to win even a local event. Their is no excitement in the sport here. In 2001 I can not recall one event that was held in the City of Pittsburgh (Monroeville 2x is not in Pittsburgh). The loudest street beating cars in Pittsburgh are at levels of 140db. These customers of the industry have no strive to make a vehicle louder. 140db to 156db to win finals is a big jump. That just discourages new competitors.
If you decide to let Street Compete at finals then I agree with you should not be able to accumulate points for street at 1x events.
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Wayne: If you want a good quality vote I would send a letter out to all of the competitors. Unfortunately not all of the competitors have the time or access to read the forum. Most of the Bigger competitors have jobs that take majority of their time. I know several people that would like to place their input but don't have the access. Food for thought.
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quote:Originally posted by Dave Lawrence: Db Drag is not supposed to be for everyone. It is supposed to be for the elite.
So street class isn't elite enough for you? It's comments like this that make a street competitior want to quit the whole dBDrag thing. Unfortunately for you, street supports dBDrag.
Street must accrue points at 1x events, for those that only have 1x events in their state. There is a 1x event this weekend locally, if it doesn't accrue then why go? Why be a dBDrag member?
If street class will not be invited to finals I will asking for my $30 2002 membership dues back from Wayne.
It's funny how all the pros and big winners want street not to be at finals. Where as, all the street people that havn't won want street at finals. There should be no shop owners or pros in street.
Get a grip people, no street at finals and attendendance will be down at ALL events. Will that help dBDrag? Think of the big picture instead of yourself.
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First of all I would like to say everyone has made good points.. some better than others. Pro street is a good idea, at local events, keep the serious street people out of street and put them in NW or something. Have street at multi point events etc so they can gain points there..
there should be a "street type" of class for the people that cannot afford a trailor, tow vehicle, and all the money to haul around a 10 ton extreme vehicle. I tried SS, I just couldnt afford it. Street is something I can afford and w/o it, i probably wouldnt be able to compete in db drag. I know of a lot of people that feel the same way I do.
so go for a pro street, and let the newbies play in street at local events..
oh, and no points should count towards world finals until you have a membership. No points before the membership is purchased will go towards the finals count..... that will get more people to purchase their memberships right away like they SHOULD be doing. lets get some more money into this sport.
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quote:Originally posted by Thumpin: I tried SS, I just couldnt afford it.
You could not afford it?? You had 12 memphis 1000d's and 6 idq 12's. How is this not affording it????? Then drop down to a entry level class for finals?
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