quote: If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
I believe this would be better stated by saying that the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the rearmost side entry point on the vehicle.
I also believe that Street should be allowed at Nats if not than a class for competitors using daily drivers. Not semi-extreme superstreet vehicles (everybody knows only a handfull of the SS competitors drive or are capable of driving further than 50 miles).
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Look at the street class winner this year in 1-2. This is a newbie class. There was almost the same amount of money spent in it as the ss 1-2 winner.
1 4kw. A $6000 amp 2 shocker audio sig 12's . At least a grand retail each So your looking at around 8g's in a street car. give me a break Street class has been the biggest mistake in Db drag since it was created.
keep it at the lower level. Nix it at the triples and finals.
There is no such thing as a serious street vechile. If you are that seroius you need to move out of the rookie class.
I don't mean to knock anyone in street last year. Almost everyone one of them Went out and bought a Cargo Caravan just for Street class. just to compete. That is not my idea of a rookie. That is the action of a serious competor. If you have that type of drive to win. You should not be aloud to compete in a rookie class.
Look at street class results from finals Street 1 -2 1. Team CheaterCenter 157db started the caravan deal 2. total Sound image 156 db bought a cravan for finals 8. ian aston - bought a caravan for finals
street 3-4 1. Jon fisher. Started with Astro. 2. david alfaro cought a caravan for finals 3. andy rauch - bought a caravan for finals 3. leanna lockheart bought a caravan for finals
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So people who compete in Street 1-2,3-4 should go to shows pay entry fee, be a member of dBRA pay association fees, so they cant go to finals and try to win some of the $$$ they payed in dues back ? Just leave the classes as they were, its the mics that caused problems this year, 172 in SS1-2 yet only 2 db's higher in Extreme....hmmmm
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Hello, first off i am not a DB DRAG member yet.I do want to compete this year, but if you do away with street, i won't be competing, and i think alot of others won't be either. I love bass as do alot of my friends,as of right now i have 3 friends that are in {by last years class} street 1-2. That means me or my friends will be louderthan each other.We will get beat,it's happened before it will happen again, we know that.Last season i went to 4 DB DRAG events,i did good,but i want to get better.Why? I want to be able to go to finnals. If we can't go to finnals, why pay for a membership?Why pay to enter events?If there isn't a goal to work for, then whats the point?Yes i got beat by a caravan,i think the rule should be the box has to be behind the trailing edge of the back door, or the back edge of a slidding door.Sorry this is so long but i think DB DRAGS would lose alot of people if they don't let street go to finnals. Thank you for your time.
1 4kw. A $6000 amp 2 shocker audio sig 12's . At least a grand retail each So your looking at around 8g's in a street car.
Look at street class results from finals Street 1 -2 1. Team CheaterCenter 157db started the caravan deal 2. total Sound image 156 db bought a cravan for finals 8. ian aston - bought a caravan for finals
street 3-4 1. Jon fisher. Started with Astro. 2. david alfaro cought a caravan for finals 3. andy rauch - bought a caravan for finals 3. leanna lockheart bought a caravan for finals
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All very good points, most of the people at finals in street bought a car(avan) to compete in the class and win. This needs to be corrected if it is an entry level class. No offense, but... Dave Lawerence, Matt Brandsoy, etc etc have been competing for years, thats not entry level, is it?
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For what it's worth, as a spectator, co-pilot and ardent supporter of dbDrag. Reasons I think getting rid of street at finals is detrimental to growth:
1) elimination means no reason to accrue points, as points are accrued by members only, no reason for street competitors to join dbDrag as members
2) elimination means no reason to accrue points to go to finals- as there's no reason to chase points, there's no reason to go to more than a few shows
3) no accrual of points means no reason to go to multiple shows, meaning a decrease in attendence for promotors and retail members who host the shows - lower attendence means fewer shows
4) elimination of finals activity means competitors who are bit by the bug to compete, but want to get to a season-end goal of finals, will go somewhere that they can do that, within their own fiscal/physical limitations - another sanctioning body.
5) elimination of street at finals, and the need to accrue points, and essentially, a certified score, will lower participation at major events. Manufacturers support major events. Fewer competitors likely will result in fewer spectators, and the combination of fewer spectators and entry-level competitors the main target of manufacturers and advertisers as they tend to pay retail or near retail could mean fewer manufacturers supporting dbDrag.
Now then- my suggestion has been similar to that made by many- two street divisions. Street and Street plus. The same basic rules, except street plus will accrue points towards finals. At single point events, it's the promotors discretion to put street plus and SS together, or street and street plus together.
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First thing I would like to suggest is Wayne go through and delete all the replies from people that do not include their stats button.
I think Street should not be at finals. As long as it goes to finals there will always be someone like me that will abuse and ruin the class. I competed in SS 1-2 in 2000 and then in Street in 2001. I worked at a shop, and have many friends in the industry. I am in no way a "newbie". I was tired of seeing my customers get trounced by CRX's and other serious competitors. So my goal last year was to exploit every aspect of Street class. I know that sounds bad, but it was the only way I thought Street would be taken out of finals. When Street class was first created in 2000 it was not going to be offered at multipoint shows or finals. Then enough people whined and that got changed. Obviousley it was not a good change. Again I say as long as Street goes to finals it will be a subject of great controversy and will never be fair to newbies....
Another thing, you think by not allowing Cargo vans and making passenger vans put the box at the back will solve anything, it won't.
A passenger caravan with the box at the back with all the seats in is only about 1 db quiter than a cargo van. I know I have tried it. And still what about CRX's and EXP's. The EXP is almost as loud as a caravan. I know I built one......
You will still have companies like Zapco building rediculous amps, and Shocker building rediculous woofers that go above the intent of the rules......
Db Drag is not supposed to be for everyone. It is supposed to be for the elite. The few that earn the right to be called Champion. There are so many classes now it doesn't even mean anything anymore. I remember in 1998 there were 6 world champions and I can remember their names and their winning scores. There are so many now I can't even remember who won each class this year. There is not a beginner class for the NFL, NBA, NASCAR, so if we want the DBDRA to grow to that level we can't have a beginner level anyway. I know there are alot of people that cannot afford any class but street. But come on, look how much I spent to win Street class last year, almost 10 grand folks. How is that even close to beginner.....
Well enough ranting from me. I hope coming from a champion this will have some clout, but probably not..........
-------------------- It's not worth it....
You're talkin to my guy all wrong. Do it again and I'll stab ya in tha face with a soldering iron.
quote:Originally posted by Mike De Pace: LOL. You think your class is more fun to watch. Hahaha. All spectators get to see when you're in the lanes is a number pop up on a red LED display.
If a vote went up right now about whether or not to have street class at finals, the consensus would be yes, have it at finals. Why do I say this? Because the majority of dB Drag members are in Street class.
I'm not going to bother to aruge for street class at finals anymore, because I think there is pretty significant evidence that taking finals away from street will be contractionary for the sport, and that's not what Wayne is trying to do.
VERY WELL SAID MIKE,BEERS ON ME!
-------------------- In Loving Memory, David Alfaro
2009 US.Top Cert.St C 158.7 2008 US.Top Cert.St C 158.4 2008 25-48NW NSPL World Champion 2007 U.S.Top Cert. Street A,B,C 2005 Db Drag St A World Champion 2004 Db Drag US.record 642 points 2003 Db Drag Points World Champion http://www.maxxsonics.com/
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First off, the issue of street/pro street. Its a good idea on paper, but I dont think it would fly. There would not be enough competition in the "pro street" class, there would probably only be one or two at each show. Adding another class is not what retailers want to do.
How many competitors are there, total? I tried finding the number but I couldnt... I'm going to take a guess and say about 4000, total. Now, we say half of those are in street, ok thats 2000 street competitors. How many street competitors were there at finals? 30. Thus, that means 1.5% of the street competitors made it to finals. Should we be making a totally new class (pro street) for that extra 1.5%? I say no.
Should Street be allowed at finals? Honestly, I dont really care. However, I think that if it IS offered at finals, the competitors should have to work for it.
I liked the idea of not offering points in the street class at single point events. Thus, is someone in street is serious about going to finals, they will compete in a higher class, where points are offered (super street). Have points for street only offered at multi-point events, where certified scores can be established.
This follows the "minimal changes" that Wayne wanted, keeps the street competitors who want to go to finals happy, and gives the "newbies" a class where they will not be crushed. Therefore, I think the only rule that really needs to be added is:
Points will not be offered in the street class at single point events. If a street competitor wishes to accrue points at a single point event, they must move up to a class where points are offered.
-------------------- Nate Scholten Team Sounds And Motion SS 1-2 3rd place 2004 finals -THE BUILD- ~Our Drinking Team Has A Stereo Problem~
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I would like to point out that I only was suggesting that the retailers make up the rules for a local only class. If street is not going to be at finals, then why does the DBDRA have to make rules for it. They could use the current street rules as a guideline, and adjust to fit their competitors. Here is maybe a better way to determine things.
2 classes: Street - entry-level competitors - no finals, no points, just fun for local kids. Based on current street rules, but retailer can adjust to allow 15s or extra batteries, etc to keep the field even.
Pro Street, Superstreet Limited, 12 and under, Pro Stock, whatever you want to call it -- a class where you see what you can do with 2 12s and a single amp. These are systems SIMILAR to what a normal Joe is using. This is also for those who don't want to gut a vehicle for competition, or can't afford a separate daily driver and comp vehicle.
If you're a newbie and just want to see if you're louder than your buddy, then run street, if you're serious and want to run with the bigger boys, then run pro street, this still leaves a smaller step into the Super Street classes.
Has anyone really looked at the cost in having a top notch SS vehicle? (tow vehicle, trailer, high power subs, 8 or more amps, backup equipment in case one or more blows, bunches of batteries, high output alt, etc. -- easily $20-30k). If its going to take that much for to make db drag finals, thanks, but no thanks, I'll just run USAC and have enough left over to buy a nice used car in the process.
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I would have to only compete at non-single point events? That is just not right, immediately I am put at a gigantic disadvantage because I live in a region that is very active. I know of at least 2 vehicles in Springfield alone that will be going into SS NW this year, and this is very early. These guys will be trying to get points, and I know my future street car will not hold a candle to these guys. So I am automatically limited to 6 points per show instead of a possible 8, which means I would have to attend as many as 3-4 shows extra just because I chose to compete in street. Unless you give me a reduced fee for a show in which I would be required to do that, I don't see that as a legitimate solution.
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quote:Originally posted by Dave Lawrence: First thing I would like to suggest is Wayne go through and delete all the replies from people that do not include their stats button.
I think Street should not be at finals. As long as it goes to finals there will always be someone like me that will abuse and ruin the class. I competed in SS 1-2 in 2000 and then in Street in 2001. I worked at a shop, and have many friends in the industry. I am in no way a "newbie". I was tired of seeing my customers get trounced by CRX's and other serious competitors. So my goal last year was to exploit every aspect of Street class. I know that sounds bad, but it was the only way I thought Street would be taken out of finals. When Street class was first created in 2000 it was not going to be offered at multipoint shows or finals. Then enough people whined and that got changed. Obviousley it was not a good change. Again I say as long as Street goes to finals it will be a subject of great controversy and will never be fair to newbies....
Another thing, you think by not allowing Cargo vans and making passenger vans put the box at the back will solve anything, it won't.
A passenger caravan with the box at the back with all the seats in is only about 1 db quiter than a cargo van. I know I have tried it. And still what about CRX's and EXP's. The EXP is almost as loud as a caravan. I know I built one......
You will still have companies like Zapco building rediculous amps, and Shocker building rediculous woofers that go above the intent of the rules......
Db Drag is not supposed to be for everyone. It is supposed to be for the elite. The few that earn the right to be called Champion. There are so many classes now it doesn't even mean anything anymore. I remember in 1998 there were 6 world champions and I can remember their names and their winning scores. There are so many now I can't even remember who won each class this year. There is not a beginner class for the NFL, NBA, NASCAR, so if we want the DBDRA to grow to that level we can't have a beginner level anyway. I know there are alot of people that cannot afford any class but street. But come on, look how much I spent to win Street class last year, almost 10 grand folks. How is that even close to beginner.....
Well enough ranting from me. I hope coming from a champion this will have some clout, but probably not..........
Damn Dave you said it all dude,well i guess thats curtains for street class.
-------------------- In Loving Memory, David Alfaro
2009 US.Top Cert.St C 158.7 2008 US.Top Cert.St C 158.4 2008 25-48NW NSPL World Champion 2007 U.S.Top Cert. Street A,B,C 2005 Db Drag St A World Champion 2004 Db Drag US.record 642 points 2003 Db Drag Points World Champion http://www.maxxsonics.com/
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quote:Originally posted by Dave Lawrence: There is not a beginner class for the NFL, NBA, NASCAR
Guess you've never heard of ASA, ARCA, Craftsman Trucks or the Busch Series, huh? Or even college football and basketball? Man Dave, take your head out of the big green van and watch some ESPN.
quote:Originally posted by netlohcs: How many competitors are there, total? I tried finding the number but I couldnt... I'm going to take a guess and say about 4000, total. Now, we say half of those are in street, ok thats 2000 street competitors. How many street competitors were there at finals? 30. Thus, that means 1.5% of the street competitors made it to finals. Should we be making a totally new class (pro street) for that extra 1.5%? I say no.
Why not get rid of the upper extreme classes? There was an extreme class that only had 7 people get enough points to go to finals. Why do we need to have a class for them? I could have put 13 thump 12s in my truck run off of one pyle amp and taken out my headliner and made finals, how is that fair?
If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
These two for sure. As far as banning pros, I thought that was done last year with anyone qualifying for Finals not being able to compete in Street again. Maybe we should define pro better and that rule would work too. The rest of the rules are great. Well, maybe ban all the CRX's, too.
Why not get rid of the upper extreme classes? There was an extreme class that only had 7 people get enough points to go to finals. Why do we need to have a class for them? I could have put 13 thump 12s in my truck run off of one pyle amp and taken out my headliner and made finals, how is that fair?
You are right, that was not fair either. I think that there should be less extreme classes also. Two wrongs dont make a right.
-------------------- Nate Scholten Team Sounds And Motion SS 1-2 3rd place 2004 finals -THE BUILD- ~Our Drinking Team Has A Stereo Problem~
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I think we need to keep the street class. Make a novice and pro classes. Most shop owners and competitors and self policing at shows last year seemed to work pretty good, from what I saw.
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I'll tell you, I am not a competitor, but I do feel my voice should be heard, as I am an avid fan. I know Wayne is trying to keep things under control, but if spectators can't speak out, he wont get all the valid opinions and ideas.
Dave, You said it man, the street class is no longer about beginners in dBdrag if its at finals. Take finals away, and get the class back to beginners. if they like the sport, move up to a Superstreet class, obviously its more expensive, but, if they want to become a serious competitor, thats what it might take.
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Look at street class results from finals Street 1 -2 1. Team CheaterCenter 157db started the caravan deal 2. total Sound image 156 db bought a cravan for finals 8. ian aston - bought a caravan for finals
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oops you forgot me dude!
-------------------- In Loving Memory, David Alfaro
2009 US.Top Cert.St C 158.7 2008 US.Top Cert.St C 158.4 2008 25-48NW NSPL World Champion 2007 U.S.Top Cert. Street A,B,C 2005 Db Drag St A World Champion 2004 Db Drag US.record 642 points 2003 Db Drag Points World Champion http://www.maxxsonics.com/
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First of all, I am a competitor, but I don't know how to put my stats link on my posts. I don't post many replies; however, this is a topic that needs to be addressed. I have been in Db Drag for 2yrs. and each year the rules change. Don't get me wrong, I love the sport and the people in it; however, I feel the street classes do need some major adjustments. Leave the rest of the classes alone. I work at a shop, and almost everyday a person will come in wanting to know what they need to do in order to compete in Db Drag w/o having to spend their entire life savings, rip their vehicle apart, and/or buy a vehicle specifically for this sport. In all honesty, I have to tell them that they won't be very competative at any level w/o doing one, two, or all three of these things. So, the customer(possible future competitor) is no longer interested in Db Drag or competing in general. So, I have a few ideas for the street classes: 1. Classes: Street 1-2(No woofer size) or Street I--0-360sq. in. of cone area Street 3-4(No woofer size) or Street II--361-550sq. in. of cone area 2. Power: Street 1-2 or Street I 1500 watts rms Street 3-4 or Street II 3000 watts rms 3. No commercial vehicles or cargo vans 4. All vehicles(including vans/suvs) must have factory front and rear seats in the factory locations. Exception: A vehicle that came factory w/o a rear seat. Example: Mazda Miata(good luck) Furthermore, any vehicle that has multiple rear seats may remove the farthest rear seat, if it is factory removable. 5. No interior or exterior mod's 6. All interior carpeting, panels, etc... must be in tact or an acceptable replacement may be in it's place 7. Sound deadening: 1/8" max thickness at any location 8. Enclosure may not extend more than approx. one inch above rear seat 9. Batteries: Street 1-2 or Street I Max. 2 total batt. or 1 cap Street 1-2 or Street I Max. 3 total batt. or 2 caps (Including factory battery) 10. No pros, sponsored vehicles, factory vehicles, or shop vehicles 11. A street competitor must compete under his/her own name(No team/shop names) Yes, they can wear team or shop shirts or they can use decals, etc... 12. Must run on a 12volt system
Now I will explain the power rule better. The number of amplifiers doesn't matter. Who cares if a competitor uses 1 amplifier or 4 amplifiers to get their 1500 or 3000 watts of power. Just as long as they are not exceeding their limit. Also, I feel a common sense rule should apply here. For example, if an amp is rated at 300x1 at 4ohm mono, but the amp is actually cranking out 1200x1 at a 1ohm mono load, then the amp is rated at 1200 watts for this application. I feel that most of our judges are very competent and will be able figure out any abuse of this rule. We all know their are amps that will put out 2-3 times their rated output for at least 1 second. I know this isn't everything by all means; however, I think these changes could help get the street classes back in the right direction or closer to their intended purpose---To help Db Drag and car audio in general attract new competitors and customers to keep the industry growing. Also, I am not sure about the whole cone area thing, I just threw that in there to see what kind of feed back I would get. I also thought about putting 15" subs as the max. diameter for street classes. Just to let evrybody know, I have never competed in a street class nor do I plan to personally compete in one this season; therefore, I feel my ideas are non-biased.
Later and good luck this season, Jason Meyer
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I am new to DBDRA forum, I have been reading the forum everyday trying to get info on next season. It seems that some Pro's do not think Street Class should go to the finals. How do you think new competitors join.
Personally shame on you, to keep the people coming in to DBDRA you have to let them work to get to the finals. Why would I want to join if I can't go to the finals if i gather enough points.
All this discussion is the same thing i went through in IASCA. That is why i no longer compete in any sound-offs as of 98, all the crying. I do want to join the DBDRA, but if there is no goal, why enter?
Another problem the vehicles, just because mini vans are being used by some competitors and they are scoring high should not be penalized, it just means they have obviously found something that some of the predicessors found out long ago.
I think if you place in the top 3 at the finals you should go into the next class the following year.
As for there being Pro's in the Street class, this is a hard thing to crack. There will always be someone that will be dishonest and go into a class he can annihilate the competition even though he is a Pro in a Entry class.
This is just my opinion, so please take it as that, having gone through this before is making me think twice about entering the DBDRA. Obviously i would be entering the entry level class to, plus actually my vehicle is a Mini Van, not by choice but because it is a extra vehicle we have.
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I'm making it a point to stay out of the rules stuff a little more this year, but:
The street class is cool. It creates hype. Hype is good and stimulates the org.
SO: 1) Keep street at finals. 2) Find a way to qualify for finals w/out killing the newbies (as was suggested for this past year!) 3) No points in the street class at 1x shows
That's it.
PS: I'll get to the stats button when I have more time.
-------------------- Jeff President, Sweet Sounds, Inc. Three (3) Time World Champions ('00,'00,'02) Eight (8) Time World Record Holders ('00,'01,'02,'03) www.SweetSounds.com
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I really wish some of the more veteran competitors would contribute to this discussion.. I know of alot that share my same thoughts.
"Guess you've never heard of ASA, ARCA, Craftsman Trucks or the Busch Series, huh? Or even college football and basketball? Man Dave, take your head out of the big green van and watch some ESPN."
Wow it's amazing how bad you miss my point. Those are the minor leagues and I want DBDRA to rise above the minors and go major. THERE ARE NO MINOR LEAGUE PLAYERS IN THE MAJORS........PERIOD..... And maybe I do have a big head, but didn't I earn it.
And Brett, I don't mean to be a **** but I really don't think your opinion matters. The people that matter are the people that are putting on events and the competitors, not the spectators. Do you have a say in the rules for the NFL, no. So why do you think your thoughts should count here. I attended 8 triple point events last year and World Finals. I did not see any other person go to more events besides me or Shock. I was there I saw the problems first hand.
And just a little tidbit of info. DBDRA currently tracks over 3000 competirors. Of those 3000 how many do you think have memberships. Less than 350 that's right. Half the people go out get points all season and then if they are loud enough buy a membership and get an invite. How is that fair to Wayne.
I will agree that there are to many extreme classes. But that is not what this discussion is about.
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quote: Finally, please keep in mind that the charter for the dBDRA is to promote interest and participation in auto sound and auto sound competition.
From what I have witnessed, no class has generated the intrest, controversy, discusiion or competition that the street class has. Think about it, how many people wanted to know what Dave Lawrence was running at finals? TONS
How many people went out and bought caravans because they were the hot ticket for the class? Many
How many times has a company, in a round about way, created an amplifier that would win the street class at finals? Both years street has been at finals
Who (on average) is more likely to walk into a store and buy products, without expecting vastly reduced equipment prices? A street competitor, of course
As far as the basketball comparison, I watch a game of college ball and think, hey, I know that guy from class (I am a college student), or I played against him before. Where as I watch an NBA game and can't even begin to identify with Jordan, Shaq or anyone else. I may wanna be like Mike someday (hey that works for basketball or dB Drag, cause Mike Hughes is the man in dB Drag too ). But I need to be able to get out on a level playing field first to decide if I want to take it to the next level.
That is what the street class provides, can you imagine college basketball without the tournament? Well in the same way many of us can't imagine finals without the street class.
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quote:Originally posted by SweetSoundsAudio: SO: 1) Keep street at finals. 2) Find a way to qualify for finals w/out killing the newbies (as was suggested for this past year!) 3) No points in the street class at 1x shows
Like I said, I think #3 is a good idea towards keeping the pros from crushing the "young blood". Yes, a lot of street competitors may complain about having to move up, but really... If you consider yourself a "pro competitor", should you really be in the street class? And if that still doesnt work, and all of the street people are still complaining, then I would say just drop it from finals all together. Its not worth all of the arguing and controversy.
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-------------------- Nate Scholten Team Sounds And Motion SS 1-2 3rd place 2004 finals -THE BUILD- ~Our Drinking Team Has A Stereo Problem~
2) Find a way to qualify for finals w/out killing the newbies (as was suggested for this past year!)
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Dave, I have added my stats button with a link to my stats page. I think Jeff's point, #2 is the key. Street would be fine and could be at finals if this could be accomplished. The suggestions about no points at 1x for street is good. It would encourage those pro-street competitors to compete at a higher class at local comps, promoting the newbies for street class.
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