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There is no reason to keep street competitors from finals. They spend just as much time and money traveling around to shows like everyone else.
I like these ideas:
No cargo vans or commercial vehicles in street class
The enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
All seats that came in the vehicle shall remain in the vehicle unless they can be factory folded up or down
It would be alot more fair to use cone area in the street class as follows:
Up to 236 sq. inches of cone area (1-15" or 2-12" or 3-10" or 4-8") w/ 4 channels of amplification and 3 batteries allowed
Upto 471 sq. inches of cone area (2-15" or 4-12" or 6-10" or 9-8") w/ 4 channels of amplification allowed and 3 batteries allowed.
Other cars belong in SS classes.
It's not that "non-street like" to throw in a couple extra batteries. Some vehicles come factory with more than one battery. It is really no different than hooking up a capacitor and if those are allowed, I think an extra battery or two should be allowed in the street class.
Also, add a Pro-Street class that would work just like the 2001 street classes w/the 2002 Street Class/Cone Area class rules.
Both classes offered at finals:
Cone Area classes offered only to people who didn't compete at finals.
Pro-Street classes open to anybody
I think this would encourage alot more competitors to compete in dB Drag Racing and will ultimately encorage the sport to grow.
Four street classes is not unreasonable to ask for, since this class is essential to the growth of dB Drag.
What do you guys think? I think this is very fair.
[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: Mike De Pace ]
-------------------- Proud owner of a 1987 White Honda CRX.
Street Division should be allowed at finals. The drive to compete and be invited is a great draw, for old timers and new comers. The attempt to discourage pros by not inviting to the finals would backfire into the crowd you are trying to draw.
Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.
Considering I think street should be invited to finals then points would need to count towards finals.
Geographic limitations on Street Division competitors at the event promoters discretion. For example, if you are a retailer hosting an event, you can limit participation in the Street Division to only those competitors who live in your city or the cities you specify.
No. You need drive in competitors from far away for crowd draws. If a known champion is coming to my local event I'd be more likely to go, just to see his vehicle and compete with him (or her).
No Pros in the Street Division.
Yes. If you are a shop owner or affiliated with the industry you can't compete in street. If you won 1st, 2nd or 3rd in finals you can't compete in the same street class. You could switch street classes if you wish.
No cargo vans in the Street Division.
Cargo vans are okay in street. The following suggestion cures some of the problems with them.
If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
We are talking enclosures need to be behind the opening on a side sliding door on any vehicle (including cargo vans). This will discourage cargo van use in street.
Leave the Street Division alone.
No. Some things need to be done to help dBDrag thrive.
No amplifiers in the forward engine compartment.
You can sit in the vehicle during a burp if proper hearing protection is worn in street.
Front seats do not need to fully function in street. The need to be able to slide fully back and forth as in factory use. But they don't need to fold back at all.
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ok im a newbie really new i have been to 2 comp. but did not compete.i watched and the db drag race i seen was not fair to me i saw people that have been in the game for along time in a begginer class.i am going to compete this year and hope to be in a fair class.now im new so take my words for what they are worth to you.....but for me its a love that keeps me wanting to get louder.also i will be at the show dec.16 in mi. i dont hope to win (would b nice)i just hope to have fun and maybe get some tips.
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Well I guess this is the time for me to be serious so here it is. I think that the past two years the finals has been drug through hell because of the street class. Way too much B.S with people finding ways to break and bend the rules to win. If the street class is going to be allowed at finals then there should be some things that need to be addressed. NO PROS!!!!!!!!!
If you win the street class at finals then you should be forced to move to super street.
That is all I have to say about this and I hope that the problem gets fixed.
take care
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but if the same ones stay then this is what should happen.
you can only accrue 24 points at 1x events. this means you have to go to mainly 2x and 3x events. it will discourage the big guys to stay out of the 1x shows,and let the locals win for a chance.
but i like the idea of 1 15, 2 12's or 3 10's, for a class. something in the middle.
jumping from street to superstreet is HUGE! there is such a PRICE gap!!! most people cannot afford it.
and i also agree with the music. and sitting in the car. you should be able to play music through the system.
just my .02
-------------------- Greg Piper -2002 Mich. Points Champion (172) -2002 dB Drag World Finalist (SS9+) -1997 Ford F-150 -1985 Chevy Astro van
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Devide street class into 2 seperate fields...STREET and PRO STREET. Similar rules in both fields, with PRO STREET having the ability to compete at finals, and STREET not. Allow the promoter/host to "adjust" the rules for the STREET field in a way that will influence more sales for the event host. Prohibit the opportunity to "jump" between the STREET and PRO STREET, to eliminate a "points chase" from PRO STREET competitors, at the expense of STREET (ie. local) competitors.
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Before we get into too much discussion, there is one thing that I think needs to be decided (otherwise this is all a moot point).
Is the class at finals?
This is a simple yes or no question. Will there be ANY class below SSNW allowed to compete at finals?
If no, then allow all the rules to be determined by the show promoter -- its not a national class, therefore no need to legislate it nationally.
If yes, then encourage local promoters to offer another class that does not accrue points for their local beginners. (Local Street, Street/ProStreet, etc.)
If we have a class that is gathering points at going to finals, THEN we can discuss rules, otherwise this is pointless.
Another option is to keep the number of classes the same as this year, but don't allow points for the street class at a local event (1X), make the competitors who want finals points compete in SSNW or SS. At multipoint events, all classes will be offered and all will receive points and a certified score. The 50 points per class requirement must be dropped then for street, but if you have a certified score in SS, then you are not allowed to attend finals in street -- even if you are certified in street -- intent not allow someone to run SS1-2 all year (even at multi) and then drop to Street at last multipointer to get certified for finals.
Sorry this was long, but I didn't want a discussion over individual rules to get started until we found out if it was necessary.
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I vote no Street class at Finals.Street class should be for the "local" kids(cruisers)to compete against each other,not have some competitor from another city/state come in and wipe everyone out.I think you should use the money saved from trophies and other street prizes towards money for the winners of other classes.Keep all other classes as they are,just ax the street class from Finals.You cannot use the ama./pro or power classifications for any class...it doesn't work.I would say 90% of the street competitors are locals who don't care about finals or points.They want to compete against there buddies to see who is the loudest and who takes home the biggest trophy.Then, use the SS and extreme classes as the step up.These new guys will see these competitors as the "hardcore" competitors and will learn more about what they do(traveling,points accural,Finals,etc.)If they are interested they will find out what they need to do to be like them.The street class as it is now is run by people who know what they are doing,people who have big money or connections to buy big amps and hardcore subs.The local kid who has a $100 pair of subs and a 600 watt amp doesn't stand a chance and we all know it!Something needs to be done for the true newbie.....
[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: MEGAJAM ]
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I don't understand here. How can you say that no street class should be offered at finals. Street competitors work just as hard as any other competitor.
If street class competitors aren't allowed at finals, what do they have to look forward to. I certainly wouldn't even waste my time competing if I knew that I had to invest upwards of $9000 to earn the right to compete at finals.
That is completely unfair and will drive alot of competitors away from the sport.
Street is the largest class of dB drag, and it needs to be expanded, not contracted.
Thank You.
-------------------- Proud owner of a 1987 White Honda CRX.
quote:Originally posted by Mike De Pace: I don't understand here. How can you say that no street class should be offered at finals. Street competitors work just as hard as any other competitor.
If street class competitors aren't allowed at finals, what do they have to look forward to. I certainly wouldn't even waste my time competing if I knew that I had to invest upwards of $9000 to earn the right to compete at finals.
Hmmm...It would be very interesting to know how much the top 3 street competitors at this past Finals spent on there equipment and install(retail of course).
That is completely unfair and will drive alot of competitors away from the sport.
I disagree.If you want to compete you will move up to SSNW or SS.
Street is the largest class of dB drag, and it needs to be expanded, not contracted.
How many street competitors have never competed before?Who is judging this?Street class is boring to spectators and as said before takes too much time at Finals.We didn't have it in 1999 and I would be willing to say it was the smoothest Finals to date.
I don't go to the NHRA events to see the local kids run a 15 sec. 1/4 mile.I go to see the top dogs,the 4 sec. top fuelers....and so does everyone else...
Thank You.
-------------------- MEGAJAM B.A.S.S. Bad~Ass~Sound~Systems Real men do IT on the DASH! DB DRAG RACING,a sensation as hard to forget as it is to ignore Posts: 1121 | From: Topeka,KS,USA | Registered: May 1999
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quote:Originally posted by MEGAJAM: Street class is boring to spectators
LOL. You think your class is more fun to watch. Hahaha. All spectators get to see when you're in the lanes is a number pop up on a red LED display.
If a vote went up right now about whether or not to have street class at finals, the consensus would be yes, have it at finals. Why do I say this? Because the majority of dB Drag members are in Street class.
I'm not going to bother to aruge for street class at finals anymore, because I think there is pretty significant evidence that taking finals away from street will be contractionary for the sport, and that's not what Wayne is trying to do.
-------------------- Proud owner of a 1987 White Honda CRX.
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i tend to agree with Shedluv on this one can we confirmation of whether street is gonna be at finals or not. Then once this is determined then we can argue the rules and what needs to be changed or left alone. if it is gonna be a vote about whether street goes to finals or not,.....
I VOTE YES let street be at finals.
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I think one point not talked about is the fact that street class is the only budget minded class we have. The jump from street to ss is some big money,and a f...ed up car. If I had no trunk and no back seat what would I do with the kids and the food from B. K. ...LOL I still feel I'm a serious competitor, I just have a smaller buget then some. Also I'm with fixxxer. The only people that are intimidated by loosing are the non competitive types! Loosing is what you do when you start, the newer you are the more you loose by(most of the time)! I also think that the retailer should not determin street classes! I mean A: politics are goin to come in to play way to much and B: please give us street guy some respect! Don't just throw are fate in the hands of one shop after another. And what about us guys who dont live anywere near a shop? I think the hart and soul of D B dragin is seen the most in us street guys. Its just us punks and are cars crusin one night and battlin it out for the glory the next. We are all diferent shapes and sizes, we truly love the sport, we arent afraid, but we might have other priorities and smaller bugets then some, that doesnt mean we arent serious, and we build the foundation for D B dragin. So please dont shut us out of the finals, because it IS the glory that drives us
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I personally think it would be ridiculous for a street competitor not to be able to go to finals. Why would anyone even care to compete without the opportunity of taking their passion to a higher level? I say expand the classes and apply few rules as possible to existing classes.
Wayne, many of us simply refuse to build a huge wall and/or add eight or more amps/batteries in our daily drivers just to be competitive.
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there needs to be a PRO STREET (points given to a competitor) and a STREET ( newbie class, no points are given) that way the newbie can get a taste of what goes on, and they can see what it takes to be competitive in dB Drag Racing! And if the competitor wants to try to make it, they havent lost out on much!
I hope the rules committee makes the right decision on this one, alot of competitors are hoping to see if this works out alright!
Vans/Caravans allowed but limited to the intent of the rules for street class cars, where as the seats must all remain in the vehicle no matter if factory made to be removed or not. And the box height requirements are also abided by.
Classes, as I stated there needs to be more than just 1-2, 3-4.
As for the proposition to let the promoter decide....Thats like throwing the competitors to the sharks, I went to many many shows last season and quite a few where the promoter didn't even know the rules. Therefore putting the fate of db draggers in retailers and promoters that don't know the rules let alone what classes to put people in is a little crazy.
Street at finals, again I say if you drop street from finals you are taking away from the amount of competitors that compete to get to finals as well as the amount of people competing at finals. Which is NOT growth but reduction, something I think Wayne does not want to do.
Points, see above with no finals points are well pointless.
Overall Street Class is a great place for beginners. Are some going to be crushed by more seasoned street competitors? Yes, is that any different than say a new competitor coming into SS 5-8, nope same thing just different class.
I am in agreement with fixxer and others if you drop street class from finals you are taking a big chunk out of dbdrag. As it takes a lot more money and willingness to destroy a car for SS or Extreme than it does in street, simply because there is no middle class. I am not suggesting we add a new class but refine street so that there is a budget minded class as well as the upper classes.
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I think the street class should be at finals. I think that the enclosure should be behind the trailing door jam of the rear most door. Let the vans compete while using this rule.
I think we should make a class for newbies. But I think that class should have an MSRP cap. Let them have whatever size woofer and amplifier, with as many batts as they want, BUT they have to stay in say a $1500 budget for that equipment. At the shop I worked for most of the time a guy would come in there and want 2 12's and an amp. That was 75% of the customers that came through the door. I think we need to think about these people.
There would be no reason for the "MSRP" class to be at finals or any multipoint event. If they get serious enough to want to go to one of these events then they should move up into street. They can only be in the MSRP class for 1 year after that they have to move up regardless.
Thats my outlook on the situation!
-------------------- Shawn Fleming Team Fi Team Kicker Team Kinetik Team Powermaster Second Skin Audio
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We need to make the rules simpler, not more confusing. When considering these proposals please consider how well the changes YOU are asking for will be ENFORCED. More complicated rules with cone area, etc will only result in more abuse, arguements, etc. we need to find a simple solution that can be enforced easily, not abused and argued about. Street and Pro- street classes is a good idea or no points for street at 1x events, only multi point events and most definatly keep street at finals. lets make this simple, not more complicated.
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