Entry level competitors are vital to the success and longevity of dB Drag Racing. It is imperative that entry level competitors have an opportunity to compete in dB Drag Racing events without getting blown away.

The dBDRA is interested in hearing your suggestions with regards to the Street Division and the involvement of entry level competitors.

Here are some suggestions. Please note that these are only suggestions to consider and discuss.

• No Street Division at the World Finals.
  
• Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.
  
• Geographic limitations on Street Division competitors at the event promoters discretion. For example, if you are a retailer hosting an event, you can limit participation in the Street Division to only those competitors who live in your city or the cities you specify.
  
• No Pros in the Street Division.
  
• No cargo vans in the Street Division.
  
• If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
  
• Leave the Street Division alone.
  

These are just a few suggestions. Please feel free to contribute you own ideas. Please try to be clear and concise when presenting your suggestion.

Like this year, it was stated that the top 15 would have to move out of street? but how dose that help any other country, as any other country wont make it, but they will have good people at the top of the street class in their country, who otherwise "could" end up hogging the class, and winning year after year. This could damage dbdrag in our countries, but there is no mechanism to move them up automatically.

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Originally posted by Wayne Harris:

If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.

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This is the only change I would like to see made concerning the street class. Everything else is just fine, IMO. We need to keep the changes as minimal as possible.

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Originally posted by Wayne Harris:

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Originally posted by Wayne Harris:

• No Street Division at the World Finals.
  
• Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.
  
• Geographic limitations on Street Division competitors at the event promoters discretion. For example, if you are a retailer hosting an event, you can limit participation in the Street Division to only those competitors who live in your city or the cities you specify.
  
• No Pros in the Street Division.
  
• No cargo vans in the Street Division.
  
• If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.
  
• Leave the Street Division alone.
  

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Cargo vans and behind the trailing edge of door jamb are good (basically you could include cargo vans as long as their box was behind the sliding door).

I also conceed that any division that is allowed to attend world finals will be exploited by "pros." We already decided to drop the pro/ama naming because it was irrelevant (pro building cars for ama).

Now let's consider one thing. If we separate the "street-beating" local kids from the "pros" (meaning serious competitor) in the street division, one will find that there are probably at least 50-60 competitors in the street division that are serious enough to drive a long distance to shows and would like to have an opportunity at finals. The question becomes, what happens to them? Move up to SSNW, gut out half of your vehicle and get tons of batteries and amps to be competitive? That's a big step.

Entry-level is taken care of, and advanced is taken care of, what about the rest?

I propose a Pro-Street class. Something along the lines of this years street class with fewer limitations that this year, but still a reasonable limit on equipment (ie limit number of amps, batteries, size of woofers, and modifications, etc.) This class would be held at finals, and would be the class between the entry level and SSNW. I can prepare a more detailed proposal if requested. Feel free to email me, mathman5@hotmail.com.

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No Street Division at the World Finals.

Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.

Geographic limitations on Street Division competitors at the event promoters discretion. For example, if you are a retailer hosting an event, you can limit participation in the Street Division to only those competitors who live in your city or the cities you specify.

No Pros in the Street Division.

No cargo vans in the Street Division.

If the vehicle has removable seats, then the enclosure must be behind the trailing edge of the door jamb of the backmost door when competing in the Street Division.

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I am going to agree with the above listings. Don't leave it alone because something needs to be done. I don't want to upset anyone in the street division. I feel this is the most competitive class and has the hardest working competitors. I do feel if we don't have an intro class that is not highly competitive we will lose the interest of many new competitors as we have over the years.

The reason I say that the street class should not be at finals is this will eliminate the interest of Pros. I watched competitors start in a bigger classes and do very well. Then find out at the end of the year they are competiting in the Street class.

Previously I mentions the possiblity of having a minor and major league. At local events this year I have found that Extreme cars and Super Street cars were being combined because of the lack of attendance at local events. This left the rest of the show to compete in the two street classes. I have tossed around that at local events they should expand the street classes. Offer more classes that include 15's 18's and even classes with more than 2 or 4 subs. These Street/Minor league classes should have a limit to number of amps or watts restriction, with the possibilities of walls with amp restrictions.

The Major League would consist of your Super Street and Extreme cars. You will find more participation of these classes at Certified events. Not to limit a promoter from offering both Minor and Major league classes at an event, but when it comes to finals. This should be a Major League event only. This will help the industry to grow and give very competitive competitors a reason to compete in the higher classes and not limit their capabilities to street divisions.

I have proposed this before and I feel this is a very good way to have the industry grow. Unfortunately over the past several years we have seen a drastic decrease in interest because this sport is very expensive. Obviously this can be tweeked but I feel this is good start.

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Originally posted by fixxxer:

This is the only change I would like to see made concerning the street class. Everything else is just fine, IMO. We need to keep the changes as minimal as possible.

[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: fixxxer ]

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**No Street Division at the World Finals.

Points for Street Division competitors are recorded but they do not count towards participation at the Finals.***

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This left the rest of the show to compete in the two street classes. I have tossed around that at local events they should expand the street classes. Offer more classes that include 15's 18's and even classes with more than 2 or 4 subs.

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Nascar is strictly for the pros.

Its not for everyone and you have to earn your entry not just show up with a couple thousand dollars and say "Hey I deserve to go to world finals"

All due respect for shop owners and street competitors that want to compete at finals in street classes. But crushing a 16 year olds heart at his first competition by the same people that he bought or had install his equipment is not away to grow this industry. Pros or experienced installers do not belong against new competitors.

People talk about DB Drag growing the size of Nascar or being televised. If this was the case I would predict that you will not see any street classes or any vehicle competiting under the value of $20,000+ in equipment. Just my thought.

Their is Little League World Series, Db Drag could to do the same.........

If a newbie goes to his first show and wins (because he is competing against a bunch of other complete newbies), whats going to drive him to keep competing? In his mind, he is already the loudest, why bother? Right?

Not everyone has that kind of budget, and just because someone doesn't have that kind of budget doesnt make them any less dedicated to the sport.

I think if street class was expanded rather than becoming more limited it would benefit the sport more. I don't have an exact sollution for street but having merely two classes isnt enough.

Pro or Non-Pro? How in the world are you gonna know for everyone? I am willing to bet this will come back to haunt. Leave the current move up policy in effect, but that would also mean leaving street at finals...

Throw out the High-Output alternator rule, has anyone seen this "Realistically" checked? And I don't mean just using one DMM or a visual, because we all know you can get HO alts that look just like factory ones.

Overall I think street needs "tweaking" not more limitations or cutbacks. The class is well worth the effort considering the amount of people that fall into the class without even being a "diehard dbdragger", and to chop it up and toss it aside would IMO only hurt not help db drag grow.