no offense to IASCA but they use the pro novice amatuer stuff, adn that system totally sucks. it is un-policeable, and only frustrates new competitors (i know this because my first show ever was IASCA, and that was my last IASCA show too, because the classes were rediculous)

now in db drag, my first few shows i got spanked, but it didnt break my heart because there wasnt a rule outright lying about pro's being in my class. no matter how hard we try there is always going to be people getting around this rule, and even though it is obviously wrong most people dont care.

• The vehicle is owned by a person who is not a pro, or a member of their family who is not a pro.
  
• All the equipment in said vehicle is owned by someone who is not a pro.
  
• Said equipment was purchased at fair market value (above dealer cost for new, relative value for used, receipts need to be available on request).
  
• If the vehicle is registered under a team name, no one associated with that team may be a pro.
  
• The person who drives the vehicle in the lanes, and burps the vehicle is the owner or relative of the owner of the vehicle.
  
• If you or your team has competed at world finals in ANY class, then you are a pro.
  

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Originally posted by Shedluv:
The only way that I see to not allow a pro to compete in a class is to guarantee the following things:

• The vehicle is owned by a person who is not a pro, or a member of their family who is not a pro.

  Maybe change this reference to former finals competitor

• All the equipment in said vehicle is owned by someone who is not a pro.
  No way to enfore this rule

• Said equipment was purchased at fair market value (above dealer cost for new, relative value for used, receipts need to be available on request).

  Fake receipts are quite simple to create, I could have the retailer claim the item is a shop demo used piece (entailing a much lower price), or for that matter claim I bought it used.

• If the vehicle is registered under a team name, no one associated with that team may be a pro.

  That's irrevalant, people will just re-register under their own name

• The person who drives the vehicle in the lanes, and burps the vehicle is the owner or relative of the owner of the vehicle.

  Again, I don't see the point or relevance to this idea

• If you or your team has competed at world finals in ANY class, then you are a pro.

  Again, I don't see the point. If I wanted to be a member of Team Auto Sounds after my car is built then i'd have to go to NW?

This is the ONLY way to ensure that pros stay out of most of the competition, and frankly, this will be impossible to police.

Show promoters and local rival competitors know who's of a higher caliber and who's not. Maybe give the show promoter the power to eliminate anyone trying to exploit a class

That being said, if it is difficult to police, and people will bend the rules and compete in it anyhow, why not just let them go.

It's not in the classes best intrest, with work, commitment and integrity the class should police itself

The World Finalist's have to move up anyhow, so effectively the pros will get filtered out. The only thing that I think would be easy to police is whether they have competed at world finals before as that is on the website.

If it is determined that former finalists are not allowed to compete, then I think this will be an acceptable filter.

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Originally posted by Thumpin:
a pro is a sponsored vehicle. you're a pro if you recieve items below fair market value, and if you're sponsored, you recieve this. so therefore you are considered a pro.

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Couldn't everybody with a sticker or got a free set of RCA Cables be considered a pro?

I think this entire post is the very reason that DB Drag is down so much. It's never gonna be fair. Life is not fair. Someone is always going to either bend the rules or whine about someone else.

Everybody with a brain attached to their shoulders isn't going to pay retail prices for equipment. And just exactly what is "fair market value" anyway? Something a council votes on or just one of Wayne's interpretations? We know how that can incite outrageous responses.

What it comes down to is that nearly all those that compete more than 1 time in a year are a professional, bought something for less than 'fair' market value, and darned near no one has a car that doesn't have some kind of audio tattoo on it.

Therefore, no one is an amateur. Even if they were, who's to say that a PRO couldn't merely construct their car, then register it in the owners name, and WHAM, a pro is an amateur.

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Originally posted by BEYOND AUDIO:
So all these internet based companies none of them would be allowed to have custoemrs compete in street class????

Do to the fact a lot of companies are over the internet nowadays......

I am just curious it is of no concern to me but what if someone buys stuff off of EBAY???

How do we seperate the pros though?? Like how do we know for sure people arent gettign stuff for cheaper and then getting a fake reciept that says they paid full pop???

Thats my problem

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also what about people who can't afford the fair market price and are forced to buy used on ebay, your saying stick the broke people into the pro class cuz they didn't pay full price??

i think these to things are bogue, anyone who works for audio shops or are sponsered my manufactors receiving a special discount because of who they are yes, pro class, but come on, vinyl stickers and good deals, no way.