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As a street competitor I am torn. Half of me says, man it would be great if I got to compete in Street without having to face last years finalists, however the other half makes me realize that I would hate being forced to move up after a trip to finals. Both sides have valid points, the vast majority of finalists in the street class had systems worth 5-10 thousand dollars, and if these "pro's" are allowed it will make the idea of attempting to attend finals much less appealing for the newer competitor. BUT, on the other hand making the top competitors in the class move up will eliminate many competitors who are unwilling or unable to make the commitment an SS car entails.
So, here is MY proposal, and I find it to be an original idea I know it will make a lot of people cringe, but bear with me
Invite 8 novice (lowest level) street competitors to finals.
I see everyone saying WHAT!?! Here is my idea, and theory. Invite these people NOT by certified score, rather by pure point level. Let some new blood into finals that isn't only concerned with building a car, burping it to get a certified score, then putting it back into the shop for finals. If you invite the top 8 competitors in the novice street (aka most dedicated competitors) then you say thanks for commiting yourself to competition, and you give them a reward for attending shows. Let them run for a trophy or even a chance at a sponsorship or just free equipment, heck let them run early Saturday morning, just give the 8 most dedicated novices a reward for their time and effort. THEN fill the remaining classes based on qualifiers with the certified scores.
Back to the original topic, I don't really care one way or the either, either choice has it's benefits and downfalls for the organization. It might as well just be put to a vote.
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quote:Originally posted by jliehr: As a street competitor I am torn. Half of me says, man it would be great if I got to compete in Street without having to face last years finalists, however the other half makes me realize that I would hate being forced to move up after a trip to finals. Both sides have valid points, the vast majority of finalists in the street class had systems worth 5-10 thousand dollars, and if these "pro's" are allowed it will make the idea of attempting to attend finals much less appealing for the newer competitor. BUT, on the other hand making the top competitors in the class move up will eliminate many competitors who are unwilling or unable to make the commitment an SS car entails.
So, here is MY proposal, and I find it to be an original idea I know it will make a lot of people cringe, but bear with me
Invite 8 novice (lowest level) street competitors to finals.
I see everyone saying WHAT!?! Here is my idea, and theory. Invite these people NOT by certified score, rather by pure point level. Let some new blood into finals that isn't only concerned with building a car, burping it to get a certified score, then putting it back into the shop for finals. If you invite the top 8 competitors in the novice street (aka most dedicated competitors) then you say thanks for commiting yourself to competition, and you give them a reward for attending shows. Let them run for a trophy or even a chance at a sponsorship or just free equipment, heck let them run early Saturday morning, just give the 8 most dedicated novices a reward for their time and effort. THEN fill the remaining classes based on qualifiers with the certified scores.
Back to the original topic, I don't really care one way or the either, either choice has it's benefits and downfalls for the organization. It might as well just be put to a vote.
No man,No Invite more very loud cars as thats what were paying to see. Its like a monster truck show, your there to see the big dogs so while the arena trucks are competing you go get a shirt and a hotdog. Too time consuming.
Most of these items were defined in the 1998 rule book. Although we will still be creating a new Novice division for 2002, the Street Division is still intended for amateur competitors.[/QB]
There is no rule stating that a "Pro" cannot compete in street class. Just as Wayne stated above , street is INTENDED for amateur competitors. This is not a requirement, nor a new rule. Did anyone see this on the voting page ??? We are voting on specific rule changes to the street class and the pro/amateur distinction is not one of them.
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I didn't mean sponsored vehicles. That is a rule that we are currently voting on now and one I agree with. I meant the other things he has listed to designate a pro from amateur. They are NOT listed in the rules and we are not voting on any other restrictions other than what is listed on the voting page.
-------------------- TEAM VIBRATOR 30 Seconds and were DONE 2002 Street 3-4 Spring Break Champion 2002 Street 3-4 FORMER World Record Holder 155.0
quote:Originally posted by JustboB: The way it needs to be policed is: If you want points you are in one class, if you dont want points, you are in another class.
Sounds the way to go = but not to sound negative, the more I read this the more I think there is somthing missing about the whole idea. Pro's are still going to take the chance and run street - we wont stop it. only the competitors can stop this.
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a pro is a sponsored vehicle. you're a pro if you recieve items below fair market value, and if you're sponsored, you recieve this. so therefore you are considered a pro.
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quote:Originally posted by BUMPNDABAY!: I know it leaves loop-holes like have someone else run a person's car but how many people are going to stoop to that level just to win a plastic trophy. Come on people stop trying to find ways of getting around the rules and just play by the rules. Most of us here know what class they really belong in so lets just "Get this party started" with some official 2002 rules.
Gee.. like this wasn't done this year.. "stooping" to a loewr level ( competition class). Come on.. YOU should know whether or not YOU should be a REAL PRO or NOVICE.. Come on.. none of this find a loophole and exploit it.. Gee.. I quit working at a shop, Hmm.. let me build a car so i can compete in street class, hey i am not a pro. I did not compete at finals.. why do i not go in to street... INTEGRITY ! HONESTY. and it is just plain stupid. I mean come on, KNOWN pro's ( competitors and/or shops and/or manufacturers )can "only" compete in street cause that is what they can "afford", or just plain do. please.. what happened to honesty? people who are complaining about sponsored cars that should be allowed in the TRUE entry level class.. come on.. you know it shouldn't be allowed.. use you brain. if you went to finals, this year, or any other year, you are pro, and can't, (i.e SHOULDN'T) be in a novice class. it is just pathetic. hell what next? tim duncan, kobe bryant and shaq all on a high school team? but wait.. they are not in the nba anymore.. so they are no longer a pro.. come on. You know what class you are truely supposed to be in, you wanna compete at fianls, then you are a PRO.. hang with the big dogs? then compete like a big dog !!!!!!
oh yea.. and about someone having lots of money, and having a shop build thema car, as long as it is TRUELY PAID FOR ( cash,check/charge) and NOT done for advertisement, it is fine. nothing wrong with that. but nothing was said in the rules about having a pro build you an enclosure. so where did that come from ? all that was said was, no free enclosures, or free labor. if a regular customer, non competitor, wanted to have the same system built.. it would cost $X amount. so the competitor must pay $X amout as well.
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Here's a thought What if wayne creates one more class to street3. Techniclay if he did there would be 3 street classes but really only 2 that would really matter to serious competitors. The third class Im talking about should be all out street class, just like in 2001, where you can build a big of a box you like (under windows), no vehicle restrictions (except mabye cargovans), and world finalist can compete in year after year if they wish to. Also add a couple of extras like being aloud to run two bateries, two caps, and mabye even 2 amps? By creating this class the pros can compete against other pros and heavy hitters, the new 2002 street class street2, then would be able to go to finals but be competeing more at a competitive level all around, not having to worry about some sponsored vehicle whooping there butt!. This class has the all the limitations of box size, sponsorship, etc. That would leave street1 for all the newbies and would only be offered at 1x events. I think this way everybody kinda gets what they want. If you don't want to move up a class after competing in the worlds than you don't have to, but you will still be facing tough competitions , without haveing to totaly redo your system. Personly Ill be in street 1-2 this year or as I call it street2. This will be my first official year in dbdrag but I did compete last year for fun and did quite well, so this year I m going to compete more seriously hoping to try to make it to finals. Im up here in Ontario Canada so it's a little more difficult to get all the points needed plus to find a 2x or 3x event. I will be at audiothunder, already registered and been accepted, can't wait!
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quote:Originally posted by CaravanSlams: Here's a thought What if wayne creates one more class to street3. Techniclay if he did there would be 3 street classes but really only 2 that would really matter to serious competitors. The third class Im talking about should be all out street class, just like in 2001, where you can build a big of a box you like (under windows), no vehicle restrictions (except mabye cargovans), and world finalist can compete in year after year if they wish to. Also add a couple of extras like being aloud to run two bateries, two caps, and mabye even 2 amps? By creating this class the pros can compete against other pros and heavy hitters, the new 2002 street class street2, then would be able to go to finals but be competeing more at a competitive level all around, not having to worry about some sponsored vehicle whooping there butt!.
MY understanding of Wayne's desire is to use SS NW as a class that is an "unlimited" street class. By unlimted I mean same box restrictions, but allowing sponsorships, electrical upgrades, as many amps as the competitor desires and the use of any size subs.
If this is a future proposal it would become a "stepping stone" to the super street classes. So it would be slightly more accessable to someone who doesn't desire to modify a car very much.
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MY If this is a future proposal it would become a "stepping stone" to the super street classes.
That's no stepping stone. SS N-W cost the same ammount in gear as SS 1-2, and you STILL have to molest a car if you want to be competitive. It's just another class if you want to step up from the confines of street to something where you can use more gear.
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Moving up to ss-1-2nw or ss1-2 is a big step and costs alot more money then a street 1-2 setup would. Thats why I brought up the idea of street3 that way your not going to spend as much as you would on ss1-2nw, but still be able to do most of the things that are in ssnw, like box size would not matter, no door restrictions, can be sponsered, etc. THis way you can compete year after year and not have to redo your entire setup just to move up one class ,and its a big UP!. This way the non pro or newbies won't be competing against each other and when they do they won't have to spend alot more to be competitve with the pro's, but it's just an idea but to me I think this would benefit almost everyone.
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Actually you wouldn't have to do too much to the car if the enclosure and equipment location regulations were the same as the street class will be.
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quote:Hmm.. let me build a car so i can compete in street class,why do i not go in to street... INTEGRITY ! HONESTY...use you brain. if you went to finals, this year, or any other year, you are pro, and can't, (i.e SHOULDN'T) be in a novice class.
Sounds like someone's confusing the Street and Novice classes.
What I don't understand is why there are both Novice and Street1-2, and Novice and Street 3-4 classes, yet there are no classes for the many "PROS" among us who still want to compete in a 12" woofer class with limitations similar to Street, and yet don't want to 'destroy' a car, or mortgage the house for a loan large enough to be competitive as in SSNW-->up.
I say dump the Novice/Street 3-4 classes, and add a 'PRO-STREET' 1-2 where all of the 'PROS' can still compete, keeping the same 'Novice/Street' rules, just up the ante by allowing - say - 2 Additional batteries, and Quad coil woofers, or something, and then see just how far into the 160s a 2-12 system can get!
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yes, wayne is mixing pro and sponsored together. no matter which way you look at it, the same characteristics of a sponsored vehicle match his definition of a pro.
-------------------- Matt Brandsoy 2000 Street 1-2 Champion Team CRX Team Sweet Sounds "Rumble Bee"
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quote:Originally posted by Thumpin: yes, wayne is mixing pro and sponsored together. no matter which way you look at it, the same characteristics of a sponsored vehicle match his definition of a pro.
His proposition says "no sponsored vehicles in street class", not "no pro's in street class". The street class rules will stay the same as last year except for the minor grey areas that we are voting on now. If you went to finals last year in street then you have to move up. The novice classes will be created for non-serious newbies. When they get serious then they move up out of novice and into street.
-------------------- TEAM VIBRATOR 30 Seconds and were DONE 2002 Street 3-4 Spring Break Champion 2002 Street 3-4 FORMER World Record Holder 155.0
His proposition says "no sponsored vehicles in street class", not "no pro's in street class". The street class rules will stay the same as last year except for the minor grey areas that we are voting on now. If you went to finals last year in street then you have to move up. The novice classes will be created for non-serious newbies. When they get serious then they move up out of novice and into street.
It is simple, all you have to do is read the rules and read the propositions. Matt seems to be making a big deal out of nothing, especially for a class he cannot compete in anymore.
-------------------- TEAM VIBRATOR 30 Seconds and were DONE 2002 Street 3-4 Spring Break Champion 2002 Street 3-4 FORMER World Record Holder 155.0
