quote: If the "unknown" competitor was in street class in the 2001 season, and if the "unknown" competitor did receive an invite to finals in the 2001 season, then the rules for 2001 season should still apply. If the rule (for maditory class change) is to be dropped from the 2002 rules, it should not change the fact that the "unknown" competitor knew the rules for 2001, and competed knowing that he/she would be required to move into a different class for the 2002 season. Just because the name of the a class changes in a following year, does not automatically cancel the rule for the season in which the competitor was active in.
Of course it would, last season is over, and this season has new rules, so the new rules, not the old rules, will apply. Whether or not a 'finals invitee' from last season will be allowed in the Pro-Street class, (or whatever it will be called) will be detailed in the 2002 rulebook, but why did that mandatory class change rule exist? Because there was no lower class for beginners, but under the new rules, and according to these 2002 rule discussions, it appears there will be a class lower this season, so it seems like the reason for the mandatory class change out of Street no longer exists for the 'Pro-Street' class this season.
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Maybe call the newbie class the "Trophy Dash" class as all they're after is a trophy, and its on the dash. Just an idea I had, and it goes along with the local "Saturday Night Special" races that used to have a Trophy Dash, no points, just for fun and the trophy. Just a though, remember that it is 1:44 after New Year's here, so my head isn't the clearest. Also this gives them a "unique" name that could draw interest to the sport.
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quote:Originally posted by donaldm: Good point,...we dont want too many changes. That would make the judges jobs even harder than they already are...
Exactly. There's a guy down here who's recently started doing shows, who was making up his own rules and classes on the spot - we went to one show of his - and we're not going to anymore.
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Exactly. There's a guy down here who's recently started doing shows, who was making up his own rules and classes on the spot - we went to one show of his - and we're not going to anymore.
I've been to a show like that. I got put in SS because i had more than 600wts rms. Got my head handed to me.....
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Street Beginners and no pro's???? Only allowed in Street for one year??? No more then 150dbs maybe???????? Street1-2, 3-4. 10"/12"
Pro Street Normal but no sponsered vechiles Sponsered as in no shops/manufacturers, also word gets around so no cheating otherwise we'll find out...and hunt you guys down Street1-2, 3-4. allow 15's perhaps????
Super Street Best of the best
Extreme Crazy people (just kiddin)
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Pro Street Normal but no sponsered vechiles Sponsered as in no shops/manufacturers, also word gets around so no cheating otherwise we'll find out...and hunt you guys down Street1-2, 3-4. allow 15's perhaps????
It would be hard as heck to define a shop vehicle/sponsored vehicle. Does sponsored mean, they got the eqiupment for free or just a price break. And does a shop mean you have to work there or just had them do the install. I see make Pro Street a free for all, with 2 12s(or 10s), 1 amp, 1 battery, 1 HU, 1 farad of capitance, and one db drag volume 5 cd. You have to keep 15s out of the mix or else it will just become SS 1-2 NW with one amp. We'll soon find out.
It would be hard as heck to define a shop vehicle/sponsored vehicle. Does sponsored mean, they got the eqiupment for free or just a price break. And does a shop mean you have to work there or just had them do the install. I see make Pro Street a free for all, with 2 12s(or 10s), 1 amp, 1 battery, 1 HU, 1 farad of capitance, and one db drag volume 5 cd. You have to keep 15s out of the mix or else it will just become SS 1-2 NW with one amp. We'll soon find out.
Price breaks are fine IMO....its the free stuff that should put people in the higher class....
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Price breaks are fine IMO....its the free stuff that should put people in the higher class....
Who is going to police the price a company 'charges' a competitor for their product. Its easy for a company to say they charged a competitor when they really just gave them the stuff. I still think its too difficult to govern.
Who is going to police the price a company 'charges' a competitor for their product. Its easy for a company to say they charged a competitor when they really just gave them the stuff. I still think its too difficult to govern.
Very true but most people just cant keep it to them self and have to tell someone about the great deal they got. And yes it would be very hard to police...
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quote: Normal but no sponsered vechiles Sponsered as in no shops/manufacturers, also word gets around so no cheating otherwise we'll find out...and hunt you guys down
we'll hunt them down like wolves!! lol
yeah i see the problem here...maybe just make Pro Street free for all, no 15's usuall street rules.
How about position of the amp??? can it be anywhere, i.e. nearer the front battery or restrict it to the boot???
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quote:Originally posted by jaggy: note what i said..
we'll hunt them down like wolves!! lol
yeah i see the problem here...maybe just make Pro Street free for all, no 15's usuall street rules.
How about position of the amp??? can it be anywhere, i.e. nearer the front battery or restrict it to the boot???
jaggy
I think that's already been addressed in the proposed rule changes for street - must be inside vehicle, not mounted in engine compartment or in tool-boxes in a truck bed.
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quote:Originally posted by Sid Grice: Just because the name of the a class changes in a following year, does not automatically cancel the rule for the season in which the competitor was active in.
Thank you. We are all still waiting for Wayne to say something about this. I agree with you 100% Sid.
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Just because the name of the a class changes in a following year, does not automatically cancel the rule for the season in which the competitor was active in.
Originally posted by 'Q':
Of course it would, last season is over, and this season has new rules, so the new rules, not the old rules, will apply. Whether or not a 'finals invitee' from last season will be allowed in the Pro-Street class, (or whatever it will be called) will be detailed in the 2002 rulebook, but why did that mandatory class change rule exist? Because there was no lower class for beginners, but under the new rules, and according to these 2002 rule discussions, it appears there will be a class lower this season, so it seems like the reason for the mandatory class change out of Street no longer exists for the 'Pro-Street' class this season.
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I like StrokerD's idea for the class names - the name Novice and Amateur just don't sound like classes that people would like to be associated with...
quote: Stock Street
Pro Street
Super Street
Extreme
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quote:Originally posted by Q: ... why did that mandatory class change rule exist? Because there was no lower class for beginners
It is my belief that the manditory change was imposed as a way to incite a more level playing field for competitors on a limited budget. If we do not enforce the rules as they have been stated, then we send a message to those competitors that their efforts are not appreciated. Some "street" competitors (that are not required to change classes) may have been hoping that the 2002 season would give them the opportunity to be more competitive (due to the maditory change), while not having to "break the bank" in order to do so. If we have misled those competitors, then we leave them with two choices...either remain in a class that will be dominated by others, or drop down to the lower class in order to be more competitive. There is a third choice (dropping out of competition as a whole), but I hope that this is not a real option for those competitors. If the competitors remain in a class that they are sure they will not win, what will keep the excitement flowing, so that they will continue to compete? If they are forced to drop into the newly proposed class (whatever the name shall be), then what will encourage a new competitor to join the competitons if they feel the class is dominated by "experienced" competitors?
I still believe that the maditory change is needed, so that "novice" (if that will be the name) and "street" classes will remain encourageable to present (and future) competitors who are on limited budgets.
PS. The comments about being on a limited budget are not to be considered demoralizing, but to be viewed as a sense of understanding.
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I believe that the rule from the previous year that stated, "World finalists can no longer compete in the Street class." should be enforced regardless of this seasons rules/classes.
A rule is a rule...and everyone who went to finals in the Street class last season knew (at least I hope they knew) that they would have to move to SS or Extreme the following year.
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I think changing all class names will get too confusing. David, I know you're a great promotor of shows and wouldn't have a problem - but there are guys who run shows that I've been to who can't get the 01 classes straight, even with the rule-book in front of them.
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quote:Originally posted by Dragon Lady: I think changing all class names will get too confusing. David, I know you're a great promotor of shows and wouldn't have a problem - but there are guys who run shows that I've been to who can't get the 01 classes straight, even with the rule-book in front of them.
Very true.....
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quote:...remian in a class that will be dominated by others...If we do not enforce the rules as they have been stated...
Originally posted by Fixxer:
quote:A rule is a rule...and everyone who went to finals in the Street class last season knew (at least I hope they knew) that they would have to move to SS or Extreme the following year.
Why should that rule be ignored now?
Both good points, and understood, however, the rules which were "in place" last season were there for a reason based on last season's classes, and are in the process of being rewritten to work better, as are the very classes they applied to, therefore, since even the classes that these now obsolete rules applied to are changing, the old rules should also be reconsidered, and remember, this season, the World Finals winning vans will NOT be allowed, so right there the Street(Pro-street?) class is already different from last season, So less likely to be "Dominated" by last season's winners, and are already more accessable to those who weren't last season's World Finals invitees.
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Of course it would, last season is over, and this season has new rules, so the new rules, not the old rules, will apply. Whether or not a 'finals invitee' from last season will be allowed in the Pro-Street class, (or whatever it will be called) will be detailed in the 2002 rulebook, but why did that mandatory class change rule exist? Because there was no lower class for beginners, but under the new rules, and according to these 2002 rule discussions, it appears there will be a class lower this season, so it seems like the reason for the mandatory class change out of Street no longer exists for the 'Pro-Street' class this season.
Scott, so are you looking to be an Amature or a Street class co
