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I like the idea of having to get your membership early in the year. The 30 point rollover idea was a good one. But the 150 point idea is going to be very difficult to handle for a lot of people. I have to work on saturdays and it makes it very difficult for me to make it to a lot of shows, as I am sure other competitors would agree. Those are my thoughts thanks for reading.
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quote:Originally posted by Tinted: 150 points is too much!!!! Canadian and Overseas competitors can be automatically considered never making it to finals. Please keep it at 100.
Never is not correct. If you drive your butt off and spent a large amount of money it´s possible. But not everybody can afford this every year, not even me (c; I had 220 points last year, and there are not soo much multipointers and I don´t be the first at the most competitions. So it is possible, even for the "Overseas", but I think 150 ARE too much. Look at the Invitation list from 2001. In some classes are more than 15 competitors and some classes are less than 15. So 100 points are enough in my opinion...
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quote: * The number of points required in 2002 will be 150 (as opposed to 100 in 2001).
My opinion listed here, might not be what's all is expecting. Where i live, there is approximatly 2 dB Drag comps in a 400 miles radius that i can attend (I live in Quebec City, Canada) and here, guess what, the real season is from may to september, beacuse it's impratical to do comps with 5 feet of snow around. Getting 150 point for me is impossible, unless loosing my job, moving to somewhere where more competitons are held and do my best (at least, i'm already doing this).
But, on the opposite side, for people who can attend multiple events, it might be a good idea. Only the best will be there.
So aside my geographic location (I.E. Worst place to be on the planet for dB Drag Racing comps), i would tend to agree to this rule, implied that there is a modification to it due to geographic locations of competitor. (A competitor living in soutern USA might have a 12 month worth of competitions to him, but in the north, that's less than 6 month...., potentially 50% less ponts)
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this is the one i love, make extreme class have to get less points.first they want to get rid of lower classes now they want us to make more points.most extremes or sponsored so maybe you should have to get more points since we are footing your bill.anyway 150 points is alot to get i will probally get 150 this season but other people might not have that chance.and me being in the millitary it even harder since i can't call in sick to work and can't get out of duty days.keep it a hundred
The beginning of the end in IASCA was the introduction of Points to qualify for Finals in 1994. It causes a bunch of serious folks to start chasing points, and as a result, hurts smaller local shows because more of the big hitters have to attend shows they ordinarily wouldn't, win trophies that may have gone to local (local to the shop) competitors.
When local competitors stop competing because they can't run with the big boys, local shops stop holding events - so, you must travel even LONGER distances to pick up points, with the same results.
Local shows must draw local competitors to be successful - points make this issue worse.
Anyway, just an opinion from somebody who's competed since 1988 and seen the change happen and isn't happy about what it caused.
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I would also like to point out that two years ago, shops could have as many shows as they felt needed. Now they are limited to only 6 a year. If you are to add to the points needed, then let us have more shows. Also I don't see how adding to the points needed for finals is going to grow the sport.
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quote:Originally posted by JustboB: I would also like to point out that two years ago, shops could have as many shows as they felt needed. Now they are limited to only 6 a year. If you are to add to the points needed, then let us have more shows. Also I don't see how adding to the points needed for finals is going to grow the sport.
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I think if a shop wants to hold like 10 shows durring a season, more power to them. That would be the only way the more point thing would work....if they were aloud to hold many more shows...
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The only one I might have a problem with is the changing of equipment. What if I have say a US Amps 2000x at a local competition? Then no one else has an amp that big. That would leave me SOL if I blew it. Also, what if my amp puts out 300w at 4ohm and I have to dual 4-ohm subs. Then I borrow a 1000d from someone that also puts out 300w at 4-ohm, but i wire it to 1-ohm? Those is just one possible loophole.
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On point 1 I feel that 150 points is too many for most (if not all Canadian Competitors) and probably for many from the US. International competitors are exempt from the points thing from what I understand so if that is not changing it's taken care of.
If we need to work on a points issue to qualify for the finals then there needs to be a zone system with a mutilplier to equalize out points between a competitor from L.A. and say Saskatoon Canada or St. Johns Canada.
I 100% agree with the cutoff for Class Change and Membership Registration, I also think a competitor should keep all of their points when they become a member, they wen't to the show and won, they earned them.
I also 100% agree with the changing of gear thing. If you really wanted to use a 4000w amp your would have built your system with it, not waited until something "blew up" at a show to change over.
Someone had suggested a equipment list at the finals (and maybe 3x) that each competitor had to supply at the start of a show, that listed what they were using. I think this is a must for the finals!! If you blow all of your XYZ 18" 1000w woofers then ok, borrow Brand ABC 18" 1000w woofer, but not MNO's 187" 4000w woofer. Keeps it fair down to the wire.
Again I am a judge not a competitor, so hence no stats link.
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I also think everything is great except for the 150 point requirement. Last year going to finals got harder for the average enthusiast by requiring the top 15 certified spl in order for an invite. Now you have to attend %50 more shows. I only see this hurting the sport, newer competitors will quickly become disinterested in the sport with requirements that are this high. Leave the points at 100 or at least finding a halfway point.
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quote:Originally posted by GOINDEAF: I also think everything is great except for the 150 point requirement. Last year going to finals got harder for the average enthusiast by requiring the top 15 certified spl in order for an invite. Now you have to attend %50 more shows. I only see this hurting the sport, newer competitors will quickly become disinterested in the sport with requirements that are this high. Leave the points at 100 or at least finding a halfway point.
But finals isn't for everyone....It will give them something to work for. If finals was easy to make it to..We'd all be saying it was too easy.
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But finals isn't for everyone....It will give them something to work for. If finals was easy to make it to..We'd all be saying it was too easy.
Well it seems to me that the really hard part, the real challenge is having a certified dB score in the top 16-20!
I like the 100 points number, it sounds 'serious' - 100 POINTS - But if there was a mileage radius of shows of which a local competitor must attend a minimum percentage, along with a certified score high enough to qualify for World Finals, we might see an increase in the number of competitors willing to seriously compete with Finals in mind, in areas where there just aren't many shows.
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Well it seems to me that the really hard part, the real challenge is having a certified dB score in the top 16-20!
I like the 100 points number, it sounds 'serious' - 100 POINTS - But if there was a mileage radius of shows of which a local competitor must attend a minimum percentage, along with a certified score high enough to qualify for World Finals, we might see an increase in the number of competitors willing to seriously compete with Finals in mind, in areas where there just aren't many shows.
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Stole the words out of my mouth. 100 should stay, the hardest thing to do nowadays is to get a score high enough that is certified. And that is how it should be.
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quote:Originally posted by SPL2000: I think the 150 points requirement is a good idea for determining who is really serious enough about wanting to be at dB Drag finals! I also think there should be fewer invites (like top 8 per class) and higher entry fees so winners get more in return and to make up for less entries!
my thoughts again.
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leave the points alone I agree that 100 points is fair and that it is hard enough to get a certified score to qualify for finals.but all other sugestions whayne had are great go for it..
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150 point in Alberta towning an extreme vehicle is going to be almost an imposibility. You have to realize there was only 1 multipoint event within 1500kms last year and it was only a double point. 150 points will kill the chances of allmost all western canadian competitiors. If there is going to be a jump please only 125. Seriously 100 was incredible hard as it was.
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Well I guess I'll put in $1's worth. 100 points is enough. Just because you only get 100 points does not mean that you do not support dBDrags. The certified scores are going to be the hard part. Getting into the top 15 takes some effort. So leave it at 100. Now if you are going to invite only the top 8 and charge more for the entry fee. What are you going to have to pay? Three times what it was last year? You would have to pay twice as much just to bring in the same amount. Leave it the same and let's get the rules printed. More points and charging more is not going to help. It will only hurt in the long run. JMO
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I agree with everything but the 150 points. I am in the military and I'm sure there are other competitors who are and it is hard trying to get 100 in a normal year, but this year it is going to be near impossible. We are deploying overseas for months at a time thanks to people like osama bin laden...if you make it 150, it will exclude us without a doubt.
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