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Oh yes, good one. Ken York went to EVERY show, bar 1 or 2 here in the UK. And he got 141 points. Only one other person got over the 100 point mark here......
Once again, the one and only world wide rule book becomes more and more USA orientated.
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I'd like to add one thing about the points thing. I'd say leave it at 100points for the Extreme competitors and make it 135 for everyone else..If you want to try and qualify for finals bad enough you will go to the shows or get on your local stereo shops case to support dbdrag and get them to do a few shows..
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quote:Originally posted by firestarter: Oh yes, good one. Ken York went to EVERY show, bar 1 or 2 here in the UK. And he got 141 points. Only one other person got over the 100 point mark here......
Once again, the one and only world wide rule book becomes more and more USA orientated.
This is a very important point. If the total goes to 150, then we would lose many competitors from other countrys...
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Ed, its easier said than done especally here in South Texas!!
San Antonio is the NINTH LARGEST CITY in the U. S. and guess how many shows we had here!
ZERO!!!
Its cool for the Midwest guys to have 150 cutoff for finals, because it is relativley easy to get points (albeit the competition is much hareder as well) But going to Dallas every other weekend can get a little tired for some! especally when it is a 500 mile trip!!!
I think it should stay at 100 points but you must be required to attend a minimum amount of single pointers!!!
Also I have to agree with STEVE on the registration thing. In bowling tournaments, you have to fill out a sheet of what equipment you plan on bringing into the building. If you get caught using something that is not on your sheet, out you go! Same thing with the PGA, not on the list, see ya!!!
Hope this helps out for the competitors that are "handicaped" buy bad shops that dont want to promote dB Drag racing, or in places where it is difficult to even have shows held!!!!
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Well I guess I'll put in my .02. I like the 100 mile radius. But if we only went to the events in a hundred mile radius last year and won every event we would have had 88 points. Also there were no multipoint events closer than 500+ miles. So I say no to the 150 points or anything higher than 100. As far as being a member 60 days before finals. I say you should only get to keep the points that you have gotten a max. of 30 days before you pay your dues.
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quote:Originally posted by RonS: But if we only went to the events in a hundred mile radius last year and won every event we would have had 88 points.
I dont think the 100 mile radius is a good idea. That would have all the same problems that the multiplier had year before last! If i went to all the shows within 100 miles of me and won....i would have zero points. My AVERAGE distance last season was 338.8 miles EACH WAY for all 156 points.
I think the 150 points requirement is a good idea for determining who is really serious enough about wanting to be at dB Drag finals!!! I also think there should be fewer invites (like top 8 per class) and higher entry fees so winners get more in return.
quote:Originally posted by Mike De Pace: Wayne, what is your reason for not requiring a membership to attain points? Wouldn't this be better for your company and dB drag as a whole?
Points--100 is pleanty for SS and Extreme cars, but street should probably be bumped a little higher.
We don't want to burden competitors with the cost of a membership when they are just getting started. I feel that if an individual tries dB Drag Racing a few times, they will eventually get "hooked" on the sport. Awarding points retroactively is an enticement to join the dBDRA after they have competed a few times.
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Wayne you said it all.Last season i didn't buy a membership because i didn't get into DB Drags until late, this year i am only waiting for the rules to be final.I think you could make points retroactive for like 5 comps, you will know by then if this is a sport you want to be a part of.Just my $0.02
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I agree 100% with the 150 points...I second what Mike Hughes said....it will make the ones wanting to goto finals try just alittle harder.....I know I will.
I think 90 days prior is better on both accounts....
and I 150% agree with not allowing ppl to change things at finals.....After I got home from finals I realized that a competitor next to me actually switched sub boxes during finals...I thought this was not allowed......but I was so wrapped up in everything I didn't even think about it then.
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I agree will having to be a member to receive leaderboard/finals points, and only allowing 30 points to be carried over, this gives the newbie a chance to compete in dB drag without having to purchase a membership, but they should know by the time they have been to 3 shows if they want get more serious.
I don't agree will not being able to change equipment (too hard to police) but equipment must not be something special
150 points would be fine for most areas and would definately create better turn out at shows, but some selected areas should require less points, based on actual shows within say a 200 mile radius, if a competitor is serious about going to finals but is not able to aquire enough points, dB drag should look a that situation and possibly invite them anyway. this would account for very few competitors in the dB drag association as a whole.
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i agree with the equipment changes during a show, but i think we should be able to work on the vehicles at shows.....if you go to a two day show, and you qualify low, see that you need some extra db, then stay up late working on the box(therefore making changes to the vehicle) in order to try to get a higher score, it should be allowed.....
quote:Originally posted by scoupen: i agree with the equipment changes during a show, but i think we should be able to work on the vehicles at shows.....if you go to a two day show, and you qualify low, see that you need some extra db, then stay up late working on the box(therefore making changes to the vehicle) in order to try to get a higher score, it should be allowed.....
Sounds good...
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The number of points required in 2002 will be 150 (as opposed to 100 in 2001).
I assume for world finals? - I have less shows therefore for my finals (not world) I have to reduce the number.
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Competitors must be members of the dBDRA 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date in order to be eligible to compete at the World Finals. This would prevent competitors from waiting until the last minute to join the dBDRA. It would also ensure that competitors attempting to make it to the Finals would show up on the World Finals Leaderboard. (Remember, only members are included in this list.)
Great with me!!.
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The Certified Class change deadline is 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date. (You may not change classes beyond the Certified Class change deadline.) This would keep competitors from jumping classes at the last moment.
Perfect!!!
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Products introduced less than 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date will not be permitted at the Finals or at any multipoint event after the 60 day deadline. (Products must actually be shipping and commercially available at retailers 60 days prior to the cutoff date.)
Difficult to police - product reaches our shores late from introduction, unless competitor brings it in themself. (I am certain that this is the fact with other countries out of America.)
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Competition vehicles and systems may not be altered during competition at any multipoint event. Damaged equipment may only be replaced with equivalent components. For example, you could replace a blown 400 watt amp with another brand's 400 watt amp. You could not replace a 400 watt amp with a 1000 watt amp at the show.
In the Ideal situation sounds very good.
Thanks Wayne...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by car tunes: this is good i saw several people making changes at single point shows when they blew equiptmet and doing just that, blowing a 400 watt and dumping a 1000 watt in, wayne get us involved delagate some athourity to some of us i told you last year i would be willing to help inforce these rules, i even helped James judge the cars at the Rochester NY Circut City show so please give it some thought Jeff[/b]
Hi Jeff - cant talk for Wayne - but if there are any other guy's out there (South Africa especially) It is in your best interest to bring this type of behavior to the attention of the judges on the day, even if you know the guy personally. The Judges have a huge job on their hands already without having to police that type of cheating.
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I have to disagree with the having to accumulate 150points throughout the season in order to compete in the "World Finals". This doesn't seem possible in the UK where the vast majority of comps are single pointers. I hope you will consider this, as not all competitors outside of the US have the ability, wether it be financial, or lack of multi-pointers (outside the US) to accrue such a high point total. It has nothing to do with "a lack of dedication" either. I find such comments offensive. 100-125 points? (Don't forget about the rest of us)
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i think that if the point count is to be raised at all it should be to 125-130 not 150.... i agree with the membership cutoff date... i do not agree with the certified class cutoff date.... i think that you should be able to be get a certified score in whatever class you want, anyway most everyone knew what class everyone else was going to be in from their certified scores..
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We don't want to burden competitors with the cost of a membership when they are just getting started. I feel that if an individual tries dB Drag Racing a few times, they will eventually get "hooked" on the sport. Awarding points retroactively is an enticement to join the dBDRA after they have competed a few times.
This kind of goes back to my suggestion of letting them carry up to 25 points as a non-member when they join. It allows them to win a maximum of first at three 1x shows (24 points). There are very few competitors I've seen that aren't hooked after one, much less two shows). And 25 points is (currently) one-fourth of what they'd need for finals. I think that's fair to the potential member, those who compete and already paid their membership, and dbDRA.
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quoted by bikemike "Hi Jeff - cant talk for Wayne - but if there are any other guy's out there (South Africa especially) It is in your best interest to bring this type of behavior to the attention of the judges on the day, even if you know the guy personally. The Judges have a huge job on their hands already without having to police that type of cheating."yes we did in fact do this but one judge cant run the meter and take in the money and do the registration,and unless his helpers have a vested interest they dont care either . do you see? we (TEAM CAR TUNES) hosted a show and our whole team got involved . everything from parking cars to cooking food to makeing sure cars were in proper classesWAYNE WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BECOME A JUDGE?- Jeff
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Instead of letting them get 20-30 points before joining....why not let them enter 3 comps before joining...all points if any earned will go towards finals..after that none will, unless they become a member
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quote:Originally posted by car tunes: quoted by bikemike "Hi Jeff - cant talk for Wayne - but if there are any other guy's out there (South Africa especially) It is in your best interest to bring this type of behavior to the attention of the judges on the day, even if you know the guy personally. The Judges have a huge job on their hands already without having to police that type of cheating."yes we did in fact do this but one judge cant run the meter and take in the money and do the registration,and unless his helpers have a vested interest they dont care either . do you see? we (TEAM CAR TUNES) hosted a show and our whole team got involved . everything from parking cars to cooking food to makeing sure cars were in proper classesWAYNE WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BECOME A JUDGE?- Jeff
Humm.. i think you would be a great judge Jeff...
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