quote:

---

Originally posted by RFPower:
I agree with ALL of those changes. If you really want to go to finals you WILL get your 150 other wise you didn't want it that bad. Now a days with all the triples and doubles it shouldn't be that hard, it just makes single pointers interesting again because competitors will actually have to go to them to get there 150. I love the idea of the 60 day deadlines for equipment and membership, this will ensure those that work hard in one class all season doesn't get bumped out at the last minute by someone that only did one event in a given class. 60 days on equipment will also ensure that it will be easier for everyone to get there hands on any equipment that is released.

Ok im editing now that I think about it 150 may be a bit tough but I would like to see an increase in points from 100.

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: RFPower ]

---

Remember your in the USA we had one double point last year here in Western Canada and If I am gonna drive to Toronto I might as well drive to Nashville Tennesee because I will waste just as much money and be broke all over again.

I had 105 points last year and I figured out I spent 4000 canadian in competing and attending World Finals which is a lot of money for me who doesnt make tons of money. if we make it 150 points id say that 4000 I already didnt have turns into 6000. This is including traveling expenses and I am sure alot of you spend way more then this too.

The only way to make this 150 point thing fly is to allow double point events to be held for cheaper then they are now. For every shop to have a certified judge.

I am not saying in anyway that I can not get 150 points but we close our Car Stereo store down like 3 hours earlier somedays costing us 3 hours in extra labour time of when we could be doing potential installs or helping also potential customers this will hurt business at the same time. From all the posts I see you want to help business and not hurt it.

• The number of points required in 2002 will be 150 (as opposed to 100 in 2001).

  150 is too much in my opinion. 120 or 130 is more in line with obtaining your goals.

  
  

• Competitors must be members of the dBDRA 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date in order to be eligible to compete at the World Finals. This would prevent competitors from waiting until the last minute to join the dBDRA. It would also ensure that competitors attempting to make it to the Finals would show up on the World Finals Leaderboard. (Remember, only members are included in this list.)

  I think it should be, "You cannot accrue any points until you pay for your dBDrag Membership." You can compete and have fun/test. But if you're serious, you need support the organization and pay your dues. It's pretty simple.

  
  

• The Certified Class change deadline is 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date. (You may not change classes beyond the Certified Class change deadline.) This would keep competitors from jumping classes at the last moment.

  Yes. Very good idea. I'd even be happy with 30 days. Still keeps an element of surprise.

  
  

• Products introduced less than 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date will not be permitted at the Finals or at any multipoint event after the 60 day deadline. (Products must actually be shipping and commercially available at retailers 60 days prior to the cutoff date.)

  Great idea. It's not that I'm against innovation or making cars louder. It's just really difficult to take this sport seriously when a select few have access to equipment that the masses cannot obtain.

  
  

• Competition vehicles and systems may not be altered during competition at any multipoint event. Damaged equipment may only be replaced with equivalent components. For example, you could replace a blown 400 watt amp with another brand's 400 watt amp. You could not replace a 400 watt amp with a 1000 watt amp at the show.

  No. You can switch and modify anything you want. It's like the pits in regular drag racing. The 60 day rule on commercially available products should keep Zapco from bringing their 20 6000 watt amps to finals for their favorites in street class.
  

Example: Competitor goes to a large show with a 500 watt amp. See's he needs 3 dB to qualify for the top 8, goes into the store and buys a 1500 watt amp to replace the 500 watt. Shouldn't he be allowed to use that?

However, I think the following example needs to NOT be allowed:

Competitor goes to a large show with a 500 watt amp. See's he needs 3 dB to qualify, and intentionally "blows up" his amp in testing. Borrows a buddy's 1500 watt amp from a different class. Requalifies and makes the top 8 with the new amp.

I know this allows for manufacturers to "give" amps to a competitor to change, but shouldn't that competitor be allowed to use everything in his power to increase his score?

This will also be difficult to police with woofers, I mean is a JL W3 and Shocker Extreme comparable? For example, I use Xtant woofers, and no one has those in there car.

Also, 150 points is a lot, not necessarily too many, but a lot. With the certified score needed to go to finals, I don't think that 100 points is too low, but there will be a lot of people struggling to get points this year instead of certified score. I would hate to see people make finals in some classes that are 10 dB below the leaders in the class merely because of having a lot of shows in their area.

Just to let you know you are not allow to blow your 800hp motor and replace it with your 1200hp motor.....

You can break a rod, piston, crank etc and replace them with the same or equivalent parts...but you cant put a stroker kit in...

Maybe the 'Events Calendar' could be programmed to show an event in red if that event is within your circle, Based on what location you register as your home... ?

--------------------

that means i would have to go to about 6 more shows. i have to work every saturday, mandatory. i barely had time to get those points last year on sundays(my only real day off). i had to take vacation time to go to the triple pointer and finals(which i didn't qualify for). i won't have enough time for 18 or 19 shows.

The number of points required in 2002 will be 150 (as opposed to 100 in 2001).

Competitors must be members of the dBDRA 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date in order to be eligible to compete at the World Finals. This would prevent competitors from waiting until the last minute to join the dBDRA. It would also ensure that competitors attempting to make it to the Finals would show up on the World Finals Leaderboard. (Remember, only members are included in this list.)

The Certified Class change deadline is 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date. (You may not change classes beyond the Certified Class change deadline.) This would keep competitors from jumping classes at the last moment.

Products introduced less than 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date will not be permitted at the Finals or at any multipoint event after the 60 day deadline. (Products must actually be shipping and commercially available at retailers 60 days prior to the cutoff date.

Competition vehicles and systems may not be altered during competition at any multipoint event. Damaged equipment may only be replaced with equivalent components. For example, you could replace a blown 400 watt amp with another brand's 400 watt amp. You could not replace a 400 watt amp with a 1000 watt amp at the show.

Please comment on these items

[ 12-26-2001: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]

--------------------

Thats asking a little much from any competeter, expenses are getting way out of hand this sport is turning into a if ya dont have a sponser your all threw sport . its getting harder to find retailers to hold such events let alone 2x events, gass entry fees and whare and tear lets work on this wayne, please [this i like the most , in 2001 it almost cost me my world finals invite, pick a class and stick to it ,the elemant of surprise is not getting an invite cause people have 3-4-5 certifieds in differant classes, i wanna know that if i spend my cash on this sport and compete in ss5-8 i got half a chance of making it i like this , the only thing i see wrong is some of the comments made by fellow members , not going to single out any one but if they read it they will know who they are , joining dbdrag right now and not looking back isnt in the family budget right now , with xmass and all just getting over 30 bucks wont be available for a couple weeks especialy when my boys bday is actualy on xmass and i have to celabrate it next week . but rest asured i wll be a member for my 4th year[/b] i agree this is good i saw several people making changes at single point shows when they blew equiptmet and doing just that , blowing a 400 watt and dumping a 1000 watt in , wayne get us involved delagate some athourity to some of us i told you last year i would be willing to help inforce these rules, i even helped James judge the cars at the Rochester NY Circut City show so please give it some thought Wayne these are just some of my thoughts and i would be more than glad to help out - Jeff

quote:

---

Originally posted by Wayne Harris:
Please post your thoughts with regards to the following changes that may be implemented for 2002.

• The number of points required in 2002 will be 150 (as opposed to 100 in 2001).

  That really does not seem to unattainable. After all it is almost about promotiing the sport. " read as having a whole lot more shows."

• Competitors must be members of the dBDRA 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date in order to be eligible to compete at the World Finals. This would prevent competitors from waiting until the last minute to join the dBDRA. It would also ensure that competitors attempting to make it to the Finals would show up on the World Finals Leaderboard. (Remember, only members are included in this list.)

  I like that one as well, hell 90 day sounds even better!!!!!!

• The Certified Class change deadline is 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date. (You may not change classes beyond the Certified Class change deadline.) This would keep competitors from jumping classes at the last moment.

  So so........

• Products introduced less than 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date will not be permitted at the Finals or at any multipoint event after the 60 day deadline. (Products must actually be shipping and commercially available at retailers 60 days prior to the cutoff date.)

  So so..........

• Competition vehicles and systems may not be altered during competition at any multipoint event. Damaged equipment may only be replaced with equivalent components. For example, you could replace a blown 400 watt amp with another brand's 400 watt amp. You could not replace a 400 watt amp with a 1000 watt amp at the show.
  

I really like this one!!!! Last season I was at a 2-day 3X event in Vegas and I am from Cali, one of my competitors, a cool guy, who was from Vegas, actually switched out his whole system. I ended up winning, but If I had lost it would have felt real bad.

Please comment on these items.

---

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: manauta ]

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: manauta ]

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: manauta ]

--------------------
Michael A. Nauta
2000-2001 Street 3-4
2002-2004 Super Street 1-2 NW
2006-2008 Street A

TEAM CACTUS SOUNDS
TEAM KICKER
TEAM MAXXSONICS