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Please post your thoughts with regards to the following changes that may be implemented for 2002.
The number of points required in 2002 will be 150 (as opposed to 100 in 2001).
Competitors must be members of the dBDRA 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date in order to be eligible to compete at the World Finals. This would prevent competitors from waiting until the last minute to join the dBDRA. It would also ensure that competitors attempting to make it to the Finals would show up on the World Finals Leaderboard. (Remember, only members are included in this list.)
The Certified Class change deadline is 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date. (You may not change classes beyond the Certified Class change deadline.) This would keep competitors from jumping classes at the last moment.
Products introduced less than 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date will not be permitted at the Finals or at any multipoint event after the 60 day deadline. (Products must actually be shipping and commercially available at retailers 60 days prior to the cutoff date.)
Competition vehicles and systems may not be altered during competition at any multipoint event. Damaged equipment may only be replaced with equivalent components. For example, you could replace a blown 400 watt amp with another brand's 400 watt amp. You could not replace a 400 watt amp with a 1000 watt amp at the show.
Please comment on these items.
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The number of points required in 2002 will be 150 (as opposed to 100 in 2001).
I think this is a great idea, it makes the "Local" show mean something again.The only thing is that someone is going to complain there is not enough "Points" in thier area.
Competitors must be members of the dBDRA 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date in order to be eligible to compete at the World Finals. This would prevent competitors from waiting until the last minute to join the dBDRA. It would also ensure that competitors attempting to make it to the Finals would show up on the World Finals Leaderboard. (Remember, only members are included in this list.)
Totally Agree.
The Certified Class change deadline is 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date. (You may not change classes beyond the Certified Class change deadline.) This would keep competitors from jumping classes at the last moment.
Not too sure about this one, I think it kind of takes care of the element of "Suprise" at finals.
Products introduced less than 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date will not be permitted at the Finals or any multipoint events. (Products must actually be shipping and commercially available at retailers 60 days prior to the cutoff date.)
I totally agree, if every manufacture is held to this standred. Also that the "Be available at retailers needs to be changed because some retailers simply cannot afford to stock a (Example - $800+) Item. Special Order, but not in stock. I believe this clause should be changed to include online sales, in a legitimate Online Credit Card accepting Shopping Cart Application.
Competition vehicles and systems may not be altered during competition. Damaged equipment may only be replaced with equivalent components. For example, you could replace a blown 400 watt amp with another brand's 400 watt amp. You could not replace a 400 watt amp with a 1000 watt amp at the show.
This sounds kinda alright, but is this going to be at Multipoint Events, or is this something that retailers at 1x events are going to be required to police ?
Just my 2C worth
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quote:Originally posted by MR. IGOTBASS: This sounds kinda alright, but is this going to be at Multipoint Events, or is this something that retailers at 1x events are going to be required to police ? Just my 2C worth
Ben
Meant to say at multipoint events. I will edit my post. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
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I like the idea of a cut off date to become a member of the dBDRA. I just don't agree with the time period given, I think it should be longer. Any true competitor would have there membership at the begining of the season. I think something like 120 days or more.
Competitors must be members of the dBDRA 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date in order to be eligible to compete at the World Finals. This would prevent competitors from waiting until the last minute to join the dBDRA. It would also ensure that competitors attempting to make it to the Finals would show up on the World Finals Leaderboard. (Remember, only members are included in this list.)
What if points will be counted only from time that member paid membership? I don't think it is so important for serious competitors when they pay membership. Most of them will probably pay in the beginning of the year.
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The number of points required in 2002 will be 150 (as opposed to 100 in 2001).
--Yuck. 100 is more than enough for MOST of the country. I can't afford the time to make 150 points and I think many others will feel the same. That would be getting FIRST PLACE at 3 - 3x shows, 3 - 2x shows and 4 1x shows (that's a lot of driving). I would have to cover probably 1/4 of the country to find that many shows and spend 10 weekends doing it. REMEMBER, that's if I get 1st place every single time! When summer is only 16 weeks long, that doesn't leave time for much else.
Competitors must be members of the dBDRA 60 days prior to the Season cutoff date in order to be eligible to compete at the World Finals. This would prevent competitors from waiting until the last minute to join the dBDRA. It would also ensure that competitors attempting to make it to the Finals would show up on the World Finals Leaderboard. (Remember, only members are included in this list.)
--90 would be even better!
Competition vehicles and systems may not be altered during competition at any multipoint event. Damaged equipment may only be replaced with equivalent components. For example, you could replace a blown 400 watt amp with another brand's 400 watt amp. You could not replace a 400 watt amp with a 1000 watt amp at the show. --Interesting!
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I think people that are committed to the sport should have their memberships at the beginning of the year. Only allow thirty points as a non-member to transfer, or point acquired in the thirty days prior to payment of membership. It is wrong to wait, even 60 days before Finals, to see if you are going to have a chance at make it to Finals, then pay your membership at the last minute and get all the points from the whole year. SUPPORT THE SPORT!!!! Other than that it all sound great. Thanks, BRAD
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Members only for points! Your points start when you become a 2002 member! None of this you can carry points crap.
If your serious about this sport become a memeber now and don't look back!
As for the Multi-point equipment replacing what if a guy goes first round with a 500 watt amp but then see's higher scores so comes back in the lanes with a 1000 watt amp, Who's going to monitor what a competitor has the FIRST round?
quote:If your serious about this sport become a memeber now and don't look back!
I agree, and have already e-mailed Wayne with regard to renewing my membership #740, and the renewal of my stats page, and I haven't even competed yet in this 2002 season.
And as far as having to retain the integrity of the system as it was upon entering finals, I also agree, it's finals, not another 'TEST' of the system, you are going for the purpose of competing with the system which earned you the priveledge of competing at finals, and it should remain that way!!
I do prefer the 100 points system though, it just seems that there aren't quite as many shows as there was during the 2000 season when it was a 'war' to get the top in # of points.
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I think 150 points will be very hard for some people to get,alot of people work on weekends and its tough trying to take off work EVERY weekend to get points. I know it was very hard for me to get 100 points last season, I think 150 will probably take me out of the game.
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On Points: If I counted right this early in the morning, 142 people who were invited and accepted to go to finals had between 100-149 points. As a retailer, I think this will bring more finals bound competitors to my shop for local events. But as a competitor with 1 heavy vehicle to trailor to events, I am kindof worried about getting that many points and being able to spend some time with my family.
On Memberships: Great idea but the 90 day rule that others are talking about would be even better IMO.
Certified Class Change: Great idea.
Product cutoff: 60 days is great. I would define retailer.
Systems being altered: Great idea. Are you going to hold it to brand as well. So if I blow a 15" woofer at a 3x event and borrow a buddies 15" woofer of different brand, is that ok?
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I'll have to agree... 150 points may be pushing it. We had 136 for last season and that included quite a few triple point events and some single point events. Recalling how much it cost to tow that beast last year and thinking that it still wouldn't be enough points is scary. How about 125 or leave it at 100 and require single as well as multipoint event participation? Just my thoughts...
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I will agree on the 150 point deal. In 2000 I had 174 points. It took 20 shows to get that total. Then last year I went to 11 shows to get 114. Which wasn't to bad compared to the 2000 season. I think in 200 I traveled almost 8,000 miles. THen last year I travled almost 5,000 miles. Some of us are not crazy like Jim Jean. We dont wanna spend all summer towing around a extreme car. 100 points in more than enough.
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I'm in favor of the membership requirements, class change rule and points. I think the product replacement thing may be hard to change, I think that rule would maybe be best in street class, just my opinion. But hey that is what wayne wants, our opinions.
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I understand about the not being able to change the equipment, but what if it is YOUR equipment that you swap. For example, I go to a show with a 500 watt amp and 1 12 (daily driver setup). Then I see at that show, I need a lot more SPL, so could I change to a different amp (1500 watts) and 2 12s if they were my equipment and I brought them there as spares?
Just wondering, because some of us in the street class have a competition box and a daily box. Being 6'2" and 250lbs and driving a little S10 kind of mandates that a 7 cu ft box can't be used everyday, unless you want to see some "midget" driving.
NEVER MIND, just saw that it was changed to only at multi's not 1X'ers.
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I agree with everything except the 150 point requirement.. This may be a bit much. I'd like to see 125 points required to get a finals invite at the MOST.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Please post your thoughts with regards to the following changes that may be implemented for 2002.
Competition vehicles and systems may not be altered during competition at any multipoint event. Damaged equipment may only be replaced with equivalent components. For example, you could replace a blown 400 watt amp with another brand's 400 watt amp. You could not replace a 400 watt amp with a 1000 watt amp at the show. [/list] Harris ]
ok, does this only apply to equipment changes? i kind of enjoy the late night thrashing on boxes and stuff like that. some people don't have a meter to test on, so the only time they have to tweak(ie trimming ports and whatnot) is at an event in between runs. agreed on the equipment changes though....
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I agree with ALL of those changes. If you really want to go to finals you WILL get your 150 other wise you didn't want it that bad. Now a days with all the triples and doubles it shouldn't be that hard, it just makes single pointers interesting again because competitors will actually have to go to them to get there 150. I love the idea of the 60 day deadlines for equipment and membership, this will ensure those that work hard in one class all season doesn't get bumped out at the last minute by someone that only did one event in a given class. 60 days on equipment will also ensure that it will be easier for everyone to get there hands on any equipment that is released.
Ok im editing now that I think about it 150 may be a bit tough but I would like to see an increase in points from 100.
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