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The Pro Street (was called Street in 2001) Division is one of the most popular and important divisions in dB Drag Racing. To ensure the success of this division and to provide a migration path for competitors who compete in the new Entry Level division (Street), we believe some changes must be made to this division. (These additions also pertain to the Super Street 1-2 NW class.)
The Pro Street division WILL be offered at the dB Drag Racing World Finals and all multi-point events.
No cargo vans or commercial vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
No sponsored vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
Enclosures must be located behind the rearmost door's trailing door jamb (for vehicles with removable seats.)
This division is critical to the success of dB Drag Racing. It is also the division that gives us the most headaches. Please contribute your ideas and suggestions to make this division better.
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]
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that got me wonderring about trucks with cutthrews-what about a b-piller and a c-piller class-the hachbacks vans trunksedans and extended cvab trucks with cutthrews in c-pller-the standerd cab trucks with cutthrews and the extended cab with a inside box and a 4door truck with a inside box or a van or hatchback or trunksedan with a inside box on where the back seats shoud go in b-piller-maybe an idae for the prostreet-
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and maybe let trunksedans that dont fold take out just the rear seat and even cut some in c-piller to keep up with teh others-
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: The Pro Street (was called Street in 2001) Division is one of the most popular and important divisions in dB Drag Racing. To ensure the success of this division and to provide a migration path for competitors who compete in the new Entry Level division (Street), we believe some changes must be made to this division. (These additions also pertain to the Super Street 1-2 NW class.)
The Pro Street division WILL be offered at the dB Drag Racing World Finals and all multi-point events.
No cargo vans or commercial vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
No sponsored vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
Enclosures must be located behind the rearmost door's trailing door jamb (for vehicles with removable seats.)
This division is critical to the success of dB Drag Racing. It is also the division that gives us the most headaches. Please contribute your ideas and suggestions to make this division better.
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]
I like it.
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If your gonna lose the cargo vans then you need to lose the two seater cars too. I agree with no sponsored vehicles and the enclosure must be behind the rear most door jamb.
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I agree on no sponcered vehicles for this class but can someone purpose a way to enforce that? I see no real way to enforce it, how would you know who is and isnot sponcered?
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I would like to see NO Cargo Vans or Vans with extended roofs. (factory option)
I would also like to see the removable seat rule done away with. After all, this is a STREET CLASS division for the PRO's. I've seen ALOT of actual street cars this year and very very few had their seats out.
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I think that the rule that you have to have the box behind the rearmost doorjam is good for pro street but I don't think that that rule should be in No Wall as well. I think that in no wall there should be no cargovans (since they have mods above the windows that most vehicles don't have) but the box should NOT be required to be behind the rear doorjamb. I think that the no wall class should stil have the same rule as last year in that the box can extend all the way to (but not past) the front doorjamb
also, as for Steves suggestion of not being able to remove the spare seats in Pro street I think that that is not a good idea, just because as the owner of a van that I drive everyday I never have any seats in it even when I am not competing...I mean what kid does? if a kid has a van there probobly won't be any seats in it unless it is owned by his mom :-) just my opinion
Also, I think that no wall rules should be discussed in a separate thread form prostreet so people don't confuse what is being talked about [ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: ShockingCanada ]
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I say the seats need to be in the vans. If you take the seats what is the difference between that and a cargo van. Really nothing at all but windows instead of solid panels. What is the real reason people buy vans, to carry people the addition of removable seats made the van more wanted by people to carry large items with out a truck or trailer.
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Wayne, how do you tell if someone is sponsored, just about everyone that competes gets a discount because the manufacturer wants to get their name out there on the competition circuit?
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First off, thank you Wayne! I for one am very appreciative that you feel that we are so important to the dBDRA. I was beginning to worry there a bit
Secondly, these rules are what most everyone wanted! I unfortunately see the other side of the argument that people were tired of the complaining and bickering in our class. Folks, we were just handed a gift in having Pro Street at finals. Any non comercial vehicle should be allowed to compete.
What exactly is a commercial vehicle? Go to a local car dealer, they have seperate "commercial acoounts" for vehicles intended for work usage, that usually have slightly different bodies and interiors than the passenger vehicles.
In closing I suggest any street competitor stop and think about what Wayne has just done for us, then just say thanks and head to the garage and make our cars loud! Even the street class can keep it loud and make Wayne proud!
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I have one question. when did super street nw become an issue? Now i agree with the no cargovan rule but don't change box locations in nw class, just make sure the car competing in nw keep there panels above the windows in the vehicle.
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In chat Wayne told me something that might be of help. Super Street NW will be like an unlimted street class, no limit on woofer size or amps, but same restrictions as the ones above in Pro Street.
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The cargo van rule is fine for pro-street class, as for involving the super street nw class in this discussion to me is wrong. doing a vehicle restriction and moving the box back farther for a nw car defeats the purpose of the title SUPER STREET... Let's not touch the nw class at all, to me it ran fine last year. I really can't recall any problems with that class. As for the street rule i like it but policing sponsorship is going to be hard as hell. Just my opinion.
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Thanx Wayne Harris! I like the new rules but I do have one concern (no one ever happy...LOL) You say pro street will be in the finals and ever multi-point event. Does this mean it will only be at 2x and 3x events? the closest big town to me is Sacramento CA and the only had one 2x and no 3x events! As of right now there are no events at all with in a 200 mile radius of where I live!
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The Pro Street division WILL be offered at the dB Drag Racing World Finals and all multi-point events.
No sponsored vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
#1 - is it offered at singles? Or is there no points for this class at singles? #2 - Please define sponsored. Depending on definition, this could be difficult to police.
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#2 - Please define sponsored. Depending on definition, this could be difficult to police.
To me this seems to be a often misunderstood term. However It also seems to me to be a very clear term. To me personally I would thing of a sponsered competitor as one who was getting "competitor accomidation" or free equipment directly or indrectly from the manaufacturer. However if I were to walk into a shop and they gave me a discounted price on equipment because I wanted them to build and install my system then I would not consider that as being sponsered. Unless of course the shop was selling me the equipment at a greatly discounted price due to them having discussed it with the manufacturer. This is where the indirectly from a manufacturer wouild come into play.
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I just thought of something. First of all I will say again that in no wall the box should be allowed to extend to the front most door jamb not the rear most door jamb. Second of all if the rules state that it must be behind the rear most door jamb then I guess I will simply buy a 2door SUV since it is as big as a van and there is no rear doorjamb so I could again slide the box all the way forward...also if you said vans can't have their boxes all the way forward in no wall then I can't see why cut through pickups would be allowed because not only is it just like having a wall but also the box is still all the way forward (because there is again no rear doorjamb)...I say leave the no wall class alone because it worked wonderfully this year (also note that I am lucky enough to have a pickup and a 2 dorr SUV in my driveway along with my minivan so that is how I thought up the ideas...I am not trying to cheat just finding loopholes in the rules so they can be addressed)
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: we believe some changes must be made to this division. (These additions also pertain to the Super Street 1-2 NW class.)
The Pro Street division WILL be offered at the dB Drag Racing World Finals and all multi-point events.
No cargo vans or commercial vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
No sponsored vehicles will be permitted to compete in this division.
Enclosures must be located behind the rearmost door's trailing door jamb (for vehicles with removable seats.)
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ][/QB]
I love all these ideas. I do have some things I think should be added(IMHO). 1. Do not let any seats be takin of the street vehicles. If people are allowed to take out seats it just doesn't seem to be much of a street car and gives people more leway to cheat or as so many say bend the rules. 2. Allow seats to be folded but not taken out. This would include cars whos seats are not able to be folded from the factory but could be folded for testing(not taken out or have boxes set on top of. I know that this isn't street to some either but I see many people who do drive around this way just to listen because its louder and it will make all cars more even and not give an advantage to hatchbacks and 2 seaters(I have a hatchback but was on the other side of this rule at the beginning of the year). I love all the other rules and really appreciate Wayne for letting the street class stay. On a final note, if you eliminate 2 seaters like CRXs and RX7s you will also have to eliminate all trucks which also have two seats in the street class. People can do the numbers from SUVs and trunk cars(Team Aztec, Mike Stiers(sorry if I mispelled), it might just take a little extra work. Thats again Wayne.
