In fact following the current way of thinking, let's alienate all vehicles that are loud or becoming loud, let's not push the limits.
Or even better, let's put a cap on the Term-Lab at 130 dB, then everybody can compete and reach the max score.
If you are whining about not being able to play with the top dogs, then we should rather look at an entry class with simple rules and that is restricted for newbees only.
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Well the way i see it is the rules are the rules win or loose im here to stay ill play ether way.
I would like to say is that all judges need to be on the same page at all corners in the world in 2010 and this gray area is getting old.
I feel the points requirement need to be changed and finals need to be planed way ahead of time. or do something regionally.
street stock is there for the new guys The one we have know no pandas or cruxes limit the power runs two two runs ea. JUST for the new guy`s.
Offer 2 new street stock pro class.
Street Stock pro one Limit to two run each and a 500 watt Cap let pandas in and crx`s in on this class only. Have a cap on sub size 2-10`s with svc. OR one 12 that is dvc and that is it. Allow subs to be re built for this class with cast baskets. Amps need to be cea rated and clamed for power. one battery 650 sq in and one cap 1 far id if needed. Same street rules apply to cabin mod's. And must play music like street stock.
Then street stock pro two Limit to One run each and a 2k watts Cap let pandas in and crx`s in on this class only. Have a cap on sub size 2-10`s with svc. OR one 12 that is dvc or one 15 svc and that is it. Allow subs to be re built for this class with cast baskets. Amps need to be cea rated and clamed for power. one battery 650 sq in and one cap 1 far id if needed. Same street rules apply to cabin mod's. And must play music like street stock.
Keep only Street C seen how any one can play in this class evens the guys in street a over seas can get that close if not louder by add in more battery's to there efficient set up.
Please feel free to pick at this. I know i had the fun doing this class with an old team mate we had two yrs to play in this class and trust me it comes down to the build and that is a challenge in its self as well as its fun as hell not to bust out with the power cap as well as ya have to play music. What it comes down to is how good you are.
Not the car any more ya a panda is efficient but just how much as well as a crx no more test tones boys find the music. and if ya cant hang well there is always street c add a battery and man up
or we can keep bitching about the crx and panda crap ether way im looking forward to 2010 and hanging out with my new team win or loose its it don't matter to me as long as were haven fun doing it.
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quote:Originally posted by thanosdbfan: was one guy...from Finland (Tapani Haapamaki if I remember correct)and he was like 8 ds louder than anyother in the wolrd in street 1-2...
And he was using one ORION 2500 watt and 2 DD 9512"
That was one wicked looking enclosure.
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what is street 1-2 dont know of this you talking ss-1/2
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Until 2002 street a-b-c not exist but street 1-2, street 3-4!
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Thank God there are guys here who remember older competitors....
I cannot forget a massive 159,4 (with the old sensors)dbs from that crazy Fin when everybody else could not even do 152...
Back then there were very few guys who knew what was the meaning of the term "impedance box rise"and box tuning...
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what sensor the 180 ot the first run of the termlab ya in 2002 and 2003 i was doing usaci dbdrag was far and few here then as well iasca and usaci was huge.
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make some nice rules for the street stock how every you want it
but keep your hands off the street classes
they are fine the way they are
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yugo comming of the road gona go threw some changes you can keep your pandas yugo power. catus lets talk 1-413-433-1604.
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: You know how to stop all this complaining about vehicles?
Don't let USA compete against Europe
People get their feelings hurt over here when a vehicle that WE KNOW is 1.5 - 3 db louder spanks them, that is basically all it amounts to.
Stop making US competitors street competitors embarrass themselves and there won't be any complaining anymore
yep you are right but then
how do you become worldchampion
@old/school i don t want to upset you
but we spent lots off money and time on the car
and some fights with the girl friends about the time and money
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quote:Originally posted by thanosdbfan: Or if you limit power or all the other suggested you will see a difference?
Yes, dbDrag is to expensive!!!!!! Nobody new will compete wenn you tell him, mmmm... Street C you need 4 amps UVP/piece 3500€ Or make SS1-2 you need same amps, but 8 pieces
Look on the competitor numbers, in 2 years there will be only a handfull, if nothing changes!
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wy is it that we have for 2010 almost 10 car heave to compete
in stead off 3 it will not say that they all are coming to wf
it is all about having fun and fun costs allot off money and if you really want you stay in
but for the benelux i know there will be allot more competitors then last year
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: You know how to stop all this complaining about vehicles?
Don't let USA compete against Europe
People get their feelings hurt over here when a vehicle that WE KNOW is 1.5 - 3 db louder spanks them, that is basically all it amounts to.
Stop making US competitors street competitors embarrass themselves and there won't be any complaining anymore
yep you are right but then
how do you become worldchampion
@old/school i don t want to upset you
but we spent lots off money and time on the car
and some fights with the girl friends about the time and money
bro been there done that no new kid on the block here i have spent days testing so im use to it. lol what i need to do is just buy some amps i have plenty of subs at my hands and plenty of rebuilds trust me been there done that.
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quote:Originally posted by thanosdbfan: Or if you limit power or all the other suggested you will see a difference?
Yes, dbDrag is to expensive!!!!!! Nobody new will compete wenn you tell him, mmmm... Street C you need 4 amps UVP/piece 3500€ Or make SS1-2 you need same amps, but 8 pieces
Look on the competitor numbers, in 2 years there will be only a handfull, if nothing changes!
There won;t be a difference and you know why? Because no newcomer wants to work hard enough to beat a top competitor...You cannot beat experience and that is a fact... It's not just a matter of who has the best equipment but most important who works harder...
If you think that limiting equipment would help how do you explain the fact that Street stock is a Total failure? I thought that this class was adopted for the newcomers and for low budget setups,or am i wrong?
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i dont want to c any cars baned or even a limit on freq. i i really would like to see to make it cheaper on EVERYONE is to limit the power wire runs this will help new people out and maybe start bringing people back. over here in the us its just getting to expenstive to comp. i mean if u limmit power wire or atleast clamp power people might not need thousands of dolloars to hope to get a top 4 finish. build takes most of it but maybe if we clamp power like say 5000 for street a some people could go out and buy a 1000w amps to start off but at the end of year i could afford to buy the other 2 or 4 amps to be competive or u could buy one big amp if u already have it and just tweek it to 5000w this could help the new guys and NOT HURT ANY vets. just some random thoughts for everyone
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banning cars isnt at all what a frequency cap would do. If a cap was implemented in street then there would in turn HAVE to be an "open" or "pro" class for the street cars with no cap.
This would just open up options for non-crx and non panda guys so that there could be a class with many many different types of vehicles competing. A trunk car could even end up winning in those classes.
This will eliminate a lot of costs because in the US if a hardcore competitor wants to win finals in street he/she needs to go out and buy a crx if they dont already have one. Which is atleast $1000 at the bare minimum, plus accomodating a 2nd vehicle, insuring it etc. A cap on street classes will allow a lot more people to just compete with their daily drivers and still burp.
I also think there should be changes in equipment used so that people in street...whether capped classes or not dont have to spend their life savings to try to win finals.
I say...no double amps at all unless they count as 2 amps.
Street A one 800 cubic inch batt. 2 runs of wire total. 1 amp. 3 8s, 2 10s or 1 12
Street B one 800 cubic inch batt. 4 runs of wire total. 1 amp. 3 10s, 2 12s or 1 15
Street C 2 800 cubic inch batts. 8 runs of wire total. 1 amp. 6 10s, 4 12s, 2 15s or 1 18
Street Max...remain the same
This will eliminate costs of wire, and hugely eliminate costs in amplifiers.
It would also be quite interesting to see which class ended up getting loudest.
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quote:Originally posted by Wagonized: banning cars isnt at all what a frequency cap would do. If a cap was implemented in street then there would in turn HAVE to be an "open" or "pro" class for the street cars with no cap.
This would just open up options for non-crx and non panda guys so that there could be a class with many many different types of vehicles competing. A trunk car could even end up winning in those classes.
This will eliminate a lot of costs because in the US if a hardcore competitor wants to win finals in street he/she needs to go out and buy a crx if they dont already have one. Which is atleast $1000 at the bare minimum, plus accomodating a 2nd vehicle, insuring it etc. A cap on street classes will allow a lot more people to just compete with their daily drivers and still burp.
I also think there should be changes in equipment used so that people in street...whether capped classes or not dont have to spend their life savings to try to win finals.
I say...no double amps at all unless they count as 2 amps.
Street A one 800 cubic inch batt. 2 runs of wire total. 1 amp. 3 8s, 2 10s or 1 12
Street B one 800 cubic inch batt. 4 runs of wire total. 1 amp. 3 10s, 2 12s or 1 15
Street C 2 800 cubic inch batts. 8 runs of wire total. 1 amp. 6 10s, 4 12s, 2 15s or 1 18
Street Max...remain the same
This will eliminate costs of wire, and hugely eliminate costs in amplifiers.
It would also be quite interesting to see which class ended up getting loudest.
To reduce power wires is not a good solution! 1. The next company will bring 1/0 wires out they are 3 times as thick 2. Then they will come with silver wires.... There is no reduce in cost
Every good installer put you a batt in the back! So, to allow a second batt will slove this wire problem and you don´t need to pull your batt down to 8-9V! Thats also good for the amps
Or a outher suggestion: Make entry classes like European EMMA! 2000€ / UVP or 2600$ for equipment.....
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By the way,the new season is already started,so changing "rules" during the season is not a good way to support Db-drag racing. The rules are fine the way they are, so let's start building!! I know i'm bussy
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I think that we are forgeting who members of db-drag are. WE are the elite, we compete against the whole world, this is an international orginization and to hold a world title you truely are on top of the world. If we cant get a panda then we need to find something that will work for us, if you cant run with the big dogs.....stay the fuk on the porch...... just my .02
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aaaaaaaaaaaaah, what ever happened to the topic at hand.. Showing off your world final builds? More pics, less heated conversations.
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looks like im going to step of the porch this yr and kick the ball for big dog. 2010 is going to be a fun yr. But like Gavin says were getting of topic.
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quote:Originally posted by kraven moorehead: I think that we are forgeting who members of db-drag are. WE are the elite, we compete against the whole world, this is an international orginization and to hold a world title you truely are on top of the world. If we cant get a panda then we need to find something that will work for us, if you cant run with the big dogs.....stay the fuk on the porch...... just my .02
This is exactly the mindset that is killing db drag. I used to think the same way then I attended finals this year.... Something needs to change what exactly I don't know.
What I do know is every year we loose more and mor db draggers and no one steps in to take their place anymore.
This isn't the NHRA or NASCAR this was an affordabe sport fot the average joe. We lost that somewhere. We don't have TV money... heck we hardly have manufacturers that will support us. Wayne does all he can to keep this running. That's my .02.
I miss the days where 60 street cars showed up to US finals. I don't care what it takes to bring it back. n't the
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