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It seems to me that keeping the class's the way they are and just 1/2 the amps would keep most people happy. This would flood the market with a lot of used amps...true but that may also be what new it takes to get people into this. How offen do you have the chance to buy 2 or more of the same amp used.
If the class's say the same with 1/2 the amp limit I will do bass race and Db Drag, for finals as well. If it's SS3+ I would have no reason to even try and compete in a crossover type build,
Point being more class's at finals means more people will be able to show up, not just the top 8 and with there being only 1 finals in the US I would guess that turn out may drop.
How many people showed up to finals that were not all that loud ? They came because they could and they stood a chance of at least placeing. Less class's means that people that can not afford to be competive would just walk away.
quote:Originally posted by team carmania: wtf wy change it to ss3+
we spend so much money on the car (and that for 4 games)and now we have to compete to guys with more then 5 subs
i think its time that team carmania(4 cars not competing) is going to stop playing db drag it no fun any more
because one guy is crying o i have to compete to someone that has 3 subs boehoe thats not far boehoe
now the crying is at your side , its just the same , ownly there are many more ss1-2 players than ss3 players ...
So what would be the right choice?
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i can alraedy see now competitors witch 3*15 compete agains vans witch 8*15
that is realy fair
it is not because a few people are talking to sell there care that u now sudenly needs to change it to 1-2 & 3+
rule changes wil always afect people and in ss more than in street becaus ss instals cost more than street. leave it ss1-3 & 4+ or let it be ss1-2, 3-4 and 5+ for this year and make now the classes for 2010 so everybody in ss knows what is comming 1 year before the saison starts
Let's have SS1, SS2, SS3, SS4, SS5, SS6, SS7, SS8, and SS9+ so it is not unfair for anyone. HAHAHA
quote:Originally posted by Cactus Sounds: If the prob. is haven too many classes.... cos the Sponscers have too many Trophys... Then only do Trophys for 1-3(1X), 1-5(2X), 1-8(3X-4X) events? Or, dont buy any Trophys before the show... Do the show and then ship the winners there Trophys??? Dont know just some ideas..
we in db-drag benelux only give trophy's for the 1-3 place even if it is a 3pointer
no wonder that organisations complain that they have to many cup over at the end if you buy 8 cups for each class
only at the world finals there shoud be 8 trophy's, or maybe at a country final also
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Maybe this is an idea if you want to reduce the cost, just limit the amount of (speaker) conductors that can be used, in this way it doesn't matter if the amps are "stacked" or not:
SS 1-2: max 4 conductors total and max 4 conductors per sub
1 sub can have 4 strapped amps 2 subs can have 4 strapped amps
SS3+: max 16 conductors total and max 4 conductors per sub, (also al the subs in the install have to be connected with the same amount of conductors)
3 subs can have 12 strapped amps (like now) 4 subs can have 16 strapped amps (like now) 5 subs can have 10 strapped amps 7 subs can have 14 strapped amps 8 subs can have 16 strapped amps 9 subs can have 12 strapped amps 10 subs can have 10 strapped amps etc...
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: Actually if you make it 3+ you're just alienating MORE competitors and you'll end up with less competitors just like happens everytime we combine classes.
But since we don't have many 3-4 or 5+ guys around anymore that might be the best thing to do?
and than next year it will be only SS because a lot of guys that have 3-4 or 5+ subs wil quit so less competitors in ss3+ this year and next year its over
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i can alraedy see now competitors witch 3*15 compete agains vans witch 8*15
that is realy fair
it is not because a few people are talking to sell there care that u now sudenly needs to change it to 1-2 & 3+
rule changes wil always afect people and in ss more than in street becaus ss instals cost more than street. leave it ss1-3 & 4+ or let it be ss1-2, 3-4 and 5+ for this year and make now the classes for 2010 so everybody in ss knows what is comming 1 year before the saison starts
Let's have SS1, SS2, SS3, SS4, SS5, SS6, SS7, SS8, and SS9+ so it is not unfair for anyone. HAHAHA
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quote:Originally posted by Cactus Sounds: If the prob. is haven too many classes.... cos the Sponscers have too many Trophys... Then only do Trophys for 1-3(1X), 1-5(2X), 1-8(3X-4X) events? Or, dont buy any Trophys before the show... Do the show and then ship the winners there Trophys??? Dont know just some ideas..
we in db-drag benelux only give trophy's for the 1-3 place even if it is a 3pointer
no wonder that organisations complain that they have to many cup over at the end if you buy 8 cups for each class
only at the world finals there shoud be 8 trophy's, or maybe at a country final also
Yep... thats what I am talking about.
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quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter: Maybe this is an idea if you want to reduce the cost, just limit the amount of (speaker) conductors that can be used, in this way it doesn't matter if the amps are "stacked" or not:
SS 1-2: max 4 conductors total and max 4 conductors per sub
1 sub can have 4 strapped amps 2 subs can have 4 strapped amps
SS3+: max 16 conductors total and max 4 conductors per sub, (also al the subs in the install have to be connected with the same amount of conductors)
3 subs can have 12 strapped amps (like now) 4 subs can have 16 strapped amps (like now) 5 subs can have 10 strapped amps 7 subs can have 14 strapped amps 8 subs can have 16 strapped amps 9 subs can have 12 strapped amps 10 subs can have 10 strapped amps etc...
and how will you count this if they split the conductors in the box
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quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter: Maybe this is an idea if you want to reduce the cost, just limit the amount of (speaker) conductors that can be used, in this way it doesn't matter if the amps are "stacked" or not:
SS 1-2: max 4 conductors total and max 4 conductors per sub
1 sub can have 4 strapped amps 2 subs can have 4 strapped amps
SS3+: max 16 conductors total and max 4 conductors per sub, (also al the subs in the install have to be connected with the same amount of conductors)
3 subs can have 12 strapped amps (like now) 4 subs can have 16 strapped amps (like now) 5 subs can have 10 strapped amps 7 subs can have 14 strapped amps 8 subs can have 16 strapped amps 9 subs can have 12 strapped amps 10 subs can have 10 strapped amps etc...
and how will you count this if they split the conductors in the box
you dont get it
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quote:Originally posted by Team DD Belgium - Dieter: Maybe this is an idea if you want to reduce the cost, just limit the amount of (speaker) conductors that can be used, in this way it doesn't matter if the amps are "stacked" or not:
SS 1-2: max 4 conductors total and max 4 conductors per sub
1 sub can have 4 strapped amps 2 subs can have 4 strapped amps
SS3+: max 16 conductors total and max 4 conductors per sub, (also al the subs in the install have to be connected with the same amount of conductors)
3 subs can have 12 strapped amps (like now) 4 subs can have 16 strapped amps (like now) 5 subs can have 10 strapped amps 7 subs can have 14 strapped amps 8 subs can have 16 strapped amps 9 subs can have 12 strapped amps 10 subs can have 10 strapped amps etc...
and how will you count this if they split the conductors in the box
I don't see the problem, I don't car if the split it in the box, what counts is how much conductors leave the amps. The same way it is now in street.
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what you change it dont matter there will always be new and bigger amps
just play in 1-3 and see how it goes
you can always quit but give it a shot
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i say SS 1-2 and 3+ (NOT 1-3) i think everybody says this and it is the best for most of the competitors or let it like 2008 1-2 3-4 and 5+ no amp limits it wont help
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its only the countless hours of time i have put into the car, all on my own, that keeps me competing otherwise i would sell all my gear for more then what i paid easily and quit tomorrow.
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so all the crybabies just quit? there will always be new people coming into the sport. if you cant adapt you arent in this sport to have fun. yes its expensive but hey if uhave less subs than someone else that doesnt mean you cant be as loud as that person. dante is a prime example. yah its much harder to get as loud or louder but it all takes time and effort.
dont sit here and cry about the rules if you arent willing to "change" or keep what you have and just compete. if you guys that are complaining arent anywhere near the top of your class then i dont see why you would complain.
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