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Topic: == Does ANYONE use 1 or 3 subs in SS ==
Wayne, I would not touch SS 1-2. Thats your largest SS class. If you absolutely have to combine classes why not SS 1-2, SS 3+? Certainly its been mentioned a thousand times, but this seems to have the least effect on the largest amount of competitors. -------------------- Obviously you don't know who we think we are. SBAudio
Conclusive
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posted 01-21-2009 01:38 PM
Wayne, I would not touch SS 1-2. Thats your largest SS class. If you absolutely have to combine classes why not SS 1-2, SS 3+? Certainly its been mentioned a thousand times, but this seems to have the least effect on the largest amount of competitors. -------------------- Obviously you don't know who we think we are. SBAudio
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Not to be devils advocate here, but aren't the ss1-2 pandas doing 168+ already? I see no threat from vans that run more equipment. Hell, streetmax pandas are doing 164+. -------------------- Competition setup: DD 9510F, kicker zx2500, ~ 2 cubes, 151.2 on the TL(outlaw, 43 hz), 145.0 legal. "10 inches of terror" Team Phat HertZ Team Kicker 2008 Bassrace 130-139.9 Regional and National Champion
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posted 01-21-2009 01:41 PM
Not to be devils advocate here, but aren't the ss1-2 pandas doing 168+ already? I see no threat from vans that run more equipment. Hell, streetmax pandas are doing 164+. -------------------- Competition setup: DD 9510F, kicker zx2500, ~ 2 cubes, 151.2 on the TL(outlaw, 43 hz), 145.0 legal. "10 inches of terror" Team Phat HertZ Team Kicker 2008 Bassrace 130-139.9 Regional and National Champion
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You can read??? quote: Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I think we should use SS 1-2, and SS 3+. This way, we don't impact the existing SS 1-2. No changes would be required for the most diffuclt part of the install... enclosure, tuning, testing, etc. SS 1-2 ... 4 Amps Max Total SS 3+ ... Unlimited Amps SS NW ... 4 Amps Max Total Regards Mike --------------------Mike Dupont Head Judge dB Drag RacingdB Drag Racing & Bass Race Videos @ dBtube.net
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posted 01-21-2009 01:42 PM
You can read??? quote: Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I think we should use SS 1-2, and SS 3+. This way, we don't impact the existing SS 1-2. No changes would be required for the most diffuclt part of the install... enclosure, tuning, testing, etc. SS 1-2 ... 4 Amps Max Total SS 3+ ... Unlimited Amps SS NW ... 4 Amps Max Total Regards Mike --------------------Mike Dupont Head Judge dB Drag RacingdB Drag Racing & Bass Race Videos @ dBtube.net
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by reducing you will not gain competitors why would it gain the only reason i see and readed for the class reductions was that the event host have to buy to much trophy's and has some left after the show in belgium there are tuning shows , there was 1 organisation who decided to get rid off the trophy's many people said there events would die , guess what , they still do shows and still atract alot off people without trophy's , if people are doiing it for the trophy's they are doiing it for the wrong reason in my opinion the certificates have more value , they have more information they tell me where , when , what and placement ,even the score why is it nessecarly to have full brackets with more choice in classes to compete more people will play -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
augustijnen Peter
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posted 01-21-2009 01:42 PM
by reducing you will not gain competitors why would it gain the only reason i see and readed for the class reductions was that the event host have to buy to much trophy's and has some left after the show in belgium there are tuning shows , there was 1 organisation who decided to get rid off the trophy's many people said there events would die , guess what , they still do shows and still atract alot off people without trophy's , if people are doiing it for the trophy's they are doiing it for the wrong reason in my opinion the certificates have more value , they have more information they tell me where , when , what and placement ,even the score why is it nessecarly to have full brackets with more choice in classes to compete more people will play -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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quote: Originally posted by Conclusive: Wayne, I would not touch SS 1-2. Thats your largest SS class. If you absolutely have to combine classes why not SS 1-2, SS 3+? Certainly its been mentioned a thousand times, but this seems to have the least effect on the largest amount of competitors. I agree. And, the scores in SS 3-4 and SS 5+ are VERY COMPETITIVE . [ 01-21-2009, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ] -------------------- "Keep it Loud and Make me Proud!" Wayne Harris
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posted 01-21-2009 01:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Conclusive: Wayne, I would not touch SS 1-2. Thats your largest SS class. If you absolutely have to combine classes why not SS 1-2, SS 3+? Certainly its been mentioned a thousand times, but this seems to have the least effect on the largest amount of competitors. I agree. And, the scores in SS 3-4 and SS 5+ are VERY COMPETITIVE . [ 01-21-2009, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ] -------------------- "Keep it Loud and Make me Proud!" Wayne Harris
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maybe i must cry now also and say that i will stop and sell my car , will u change your mind again then ? -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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posted 01-21-2009 01:46 PM
maybe i must cry now also and say that i will stop and sell my car , will u change your mind again then ? -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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quote: Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: maybe i must cry now also and say that i will stop and sell my car , will u change your mind again then ? Peter, we are talking about Super Street. Don't you compete in Street C? I am interested in your perspective. Please post your recommendations here. -------------------- "Keep it Loud and Make me Proud!" Wayne Harris
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posted 01-21-2009 01:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: maybe i must cry now also and say that i will stop and sell my car , will u change your mind again then ? Peter, we are talking about Super Street. Don't you compete in Street C? I am interested in your perspective. Please post your recommendations here. -------------------- "Keep it Loud and Make me Proud!" Wayne Harris
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How much you want peter? LOL Ü MM --------------------www.sqpl.de I´m a Kraut,and I want it loud! Üüüühh!!! I could, but I just don´t want to...
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posted 01-21-2009 01:49 PM
How much you want peter? LOL Ü MM --------------------www.sqpl.de I´m a Kraut,and I want it loud! Üüüühh!!! I could, but I just don´t want to...
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Read his signature Wayne, and his "little" thread in the Euro section. YES , he WAS Street, now he is "Super"... Ü MM Peter you should edit your sig to "SS?+" --------------------www.sqpl.de I´m a Kraut,and I want it loud! Üüüühh!!! I could, but I just don´t want to...
TheBigOki
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posted 01-21-2009 01:50 PM
Read his signature Wayne, and his "little" thread in the Euro section. YES , he WAS Street, now he is "Super"... Ü MM Peter you should edit your sig to "SS?+" --------------------www.sqpl.de I´m a Kraut,and I want it loud! Üüüühh!!! I could, but I just don´t want to...
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if we go SS1-3 and SS4+ this will allow the competitors in the SS3-4 to choose what class they would like to compete in. if you are competeing with an Astro Van you have no choice in class you have to go up. These vans can not be competitive in the 1-2 class but will be competitive in 1-3 with minimal changes to their overall design. In my opinion the SS1-2 guy will still beat the SS3 guy but it gives a option for the SS 3-4 competitor that they would not otherwise have. later Doug --------------------Http://www.SonicFXAudio.com California Certified Judge World Finals Judge
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posted 01-21-2009 01:54 PM
if we go SS1-3 and SS4+ this will allow the competitors in the SS3-4 to choose what class they would like to compete in. if you are competeing with an Astro Van you have no choice in class you have to go up. These vans can not be competitive in the 1-2 class but will be competitive in 1-3 with minimal changes to their overall design. In my opinion the SS1-2 guy will still beat the SS3 guy but it gives a option for the SS 3-4 competitor that they would not otherwise have. later Doug --------------------Http://www.SonicFXAudio.com California Certified Judge World Finals Judge
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quote: Originally posted by Wayne Harris: quote: Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: maybe i must cry now also and say that i will stop and sell my car , will u change your mind again then ? Peter, we are talking about Super Street. Don't you compete in Street C? I am interested in your perspective. Please post your recommendations here. i moved up from street best would be no changes -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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posted 01-21-2009 01:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by Wayne Harris: quote: Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: maybe i must cry now also and say that i will stop and sell my car , will u change your mind again then ? Peter, we are talking about Super Street. Don't you compete in Street C? I am interested in your perspective. Please post your recommendations here. i moved up from street best would be no changes -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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^Peter has build 1 of the Strongest and Best SS 5+ Cars wat i see ever! A lot of work and realy good Work! I agree 100% with him! I think the Loudest SS Car wat we can build is an Car with 3 15" Woofers in a Line with a lot of Power! sorry for my bad Englisch!! -------------------- "we need it Loud" Head of dB Drag Germany & Austia See you at the Worldfinals
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posted 01-21-2009 01:59 PM
^Peter has build 1 of the Strongest and Best SS 5+ Cars wat i see ever! A lot of work and realy good Work! I agree 100% with him! I think the Loudest SS Car wat we can build is an Car with 3 15" Woofers in a Line with a lot of Power! sorry for my bad Englisch!! -------------------- "we need it Loud" Head of dB Drag Germany & Austia See you at the Worldfinals
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goiing by the WR u should not combine SS3-4 and SS5+ the WR difference in 1-2 and 3-4 is only 0.1 db the difference in 3-4 and 5+ is 1.9 db how can u say they are close and competitive -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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posted 01-21-2009 01:59 PM
goiing by the WR u should not combine SS3-4 and SS5+ the WR difference in 1-2 and 3-4 is only 0.1 db the difference in 3-4 and 5+ is 1.9 db how can u say they are close and competitive -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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quote: Originally posted by Team Ground Zero: ^Peter has build 1 of the Strongest and Best SS 5+ Cars wat i see ever! A lot of work and realy good Work! I agree 100% with him! I think the Loudest SS Car wat we can build is an Car with 3 15" Woofers in a Line with a lot of Power! sorry for my bad Englisch!! there is no sorry for that it looks like your signature... You where in a Camp? And 2005 a Campion? Whatever it is.. JK --------------------Mike Dupont Head Judge dB Drag RacingdB Drag Racing & Bass Race Videos @ dBtube.net
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posted 01-21-2009 02:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Team Ground Zero: ^Peter has build 1 of the Strongest and Best SS 5+ Cars wat i see ever! A lot of work and realy good Work! I agree 100% with him! I think the Loudest SS Car wat we can build is an Car with 3 15" Woofers in a Line with a lot of Power! sorry for my bad Englisch!! there is no sorry for that it looks like your signature... You where in a Camp? And 2005 a Campion? Whatever it is.. JK --------------------Mike Dupont Head Judge dB Drag RacingdB Drag Racing & Bass Race Videos @ dBtube.net
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quote: Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: goiing by the WR u should not combine SS3-4 and SS5+ the WR difference in 1-2 and 3-4 is only 0.1 db the difference in 3-4 and 5+ is 1.9 db how can u say they are close and competitive Steve Cook retired over a year ago. -------------------- "Keep it Loud and Make me Proud!" Wayne Harris
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posted 01-21-2009 02:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: goiing by the WR u should not combine SS3-4 and SS5+ the WR difference in 1-2 and 3-4 is only 0.1 db the difference in 3-4 and 5+ is 1.9 db how can u say they are close and competitive Steve Cook retired over a year ago. -------------------- "Keep it Loud and Make me Proud!" Wayne Harris
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and justin recently said he would return this year -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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posted 01-21-2009 02:09 PM
and justin recently said he would return this year -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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wayne, you are right about the amount of cometitors in ss1-2 3-4 & 5+ but the $$$$ or €€€€ that competitors spent in ss3-4 and 5+ is alot more than in 1-2 so it would affect more by reducing these classes ===>>> can you make a diagram of the amount of competitors that plays more than 5 or let say have more than 50 points or that are member because a lot of people that compete for the first time are in street, but how many stay competing after there first 2 events?
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posted 01-21-2009 02:10 PM
wayne, you are right about the amount of cometitors in ss1-2 3-4 & 5+ but the $$$$ or €€€€ that competitors spent in ss3-4 and 5+ is alot more than in 1-2 so it would affect more by reducing these classes ===>>> can you make a diagram of the amount of competitors that plays more than 5 or let say have more than 50 points or that are member because a lot of people that compete for the first time are in street, but how many stay competing after there first 2 events?
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the guy after cook does a 169.6 there is still 1.3 db difference -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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posted 01-21-2009 02:11 PM
the guy after cook does a 169.6 there is still 1.3 db difference -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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S1-2 S3-4 S5+ My opinion for the best way! -------------------- Team SGK: 2 Digital Design DD99Z, 8 SPL Dynamics D5, 20 Powermaster 16V batteries Topscore 179,0dB -Life begins after 175 db- 4,0 dBzzz over the goal
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posted 01-21-2009 02:11 PM
S1-2 S3-4 S5+ My opinion for the best way! -------------------- Team SGK: 2 Digital Design DD99Z, 8 SPL Dynamics D5, 20 Powermaster 16V batteries Topscore 179,0dB -Life begins after 175 db- 4,0 dBzzz over the goal
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yes And we the Guys wat play 169,6dB and we play at moment a litle bit more ggg.. round about 1 dB -------------------- "we need it Loud" Head of dB Drag Germany & Austia See you at the Worldfinals
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posted 01-21-2009 02:17 PM
yes And we the Guys wat play 169,6dB and we play at moment a litle bit more ggg.. round about 1 dB -------------------- "we need it Loud" Head of dB Drag Germany & Austia See you at the Worldfinals
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quote: Originally posted by Team Ground Zero: yes And we the Guys wat play 169,6dB and we play at moment a litle bit more ggg.. round about 1 dB there u go that would be at 170.6 the difference with 3-4 is 2.3 db then -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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posted 01-21-2009 02:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Team Ground Zero: yes And we the Guys wat play 169,6dB and we play at moment a litle bit more ggg.. round about 1 dB there u go that would be at 170.6 the difference with 3-4 is 2.3 db then -------------------- Team Cactus Sounds platinum member
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i dont mind ss 1-3 but the amp limit will kill the class and the guys in 3-4 with 16 amps wouldnt drop down to this class ethier what would they do with the 16amps ? ss 1-2 is a fun class only rule should be limit the amps to 4 amps single case no double case amps and the class would cost less to compete in. -------------------- TEAM420 TEAM KINETIK TEAM MAXXSONICS T3AUDIO TEAM DCAUDIO SS 1-2 3rd PLACE 2007 INDY "REGIONALS" SS 1-2 1ST PLACE INDY AND 2008 NATIONAL CHAMPION.
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posted 01-21-2009 02:20 PM
i dont mind ss 1-3 but the amp limit will kill the class and the guys in 3-4 with 16 amps wouldnt drop down to this class ethier what would they do with the 16amps ? ss 1-2 is a fun class only rule should be limit the amps to 4 amps single case no double case amps and the class would cost less to compete in. -------------------- TEAM420 TEAM KINETIK TEAM MAXXSONICS T3AUDIO TEAM DCAUDIO SS 1-2 3rd PLACE 2007 INDY "REGIONALS" SS 1-2 1ST PLACE INDY AND 2008 NATIONAL CHAMPION.
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Tve soundsystems do a 169.4! what's the difference there peter? two tenth's! peter i mean this with alot of respect! I don't think you will have nothing to worry about with that build your doing! NICE!!! -------------------- SS 1-2 competitor! 160+db! 2008 U.S. finals runner up! Representing Team stetsom!
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posted 01-21-2009 02:24 PM
Tve soundsystems do a 169.4! what's the difference there peter? two tenth's! peter i mean this with alot of respect! I don't think you will have nothing to worry about with that build your doing! NICE!!! -------------------- SS 1-2 competitor! 160+db! 2008 U.S. finals runner up! Representing Team stetsom!
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Whats wrong with a 1-4 and 5+? NeillBarber -------------------- Audio Extremes Thomasville Ga. 229-227-5707 Powerbass USA BABY!!! Kicker FTMFW!!!!! In loving memory of the TANK 1986-1999 Here comes the return of the groundpounders.
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posted 01-21-2009 02:29 PM
Whats wrong with a 1-4 and 5+? NeillBarber -------------------- Audio Extremes Thomasville Ga. 229-227-5707 Powerbass USA BABY!!! Kicker FTMFW!!!!! In loving memory of the TANK 1986-1999 Here comes the return of the groundpounders.
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