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why do i stil miss separated street max1-2 and street max 3-4 in the new relaes?
This is the only class that is deleted in the street - street max and superstreet from the classes of 2007???? it is not becaus there are not many competitiors in a class tha you need to get rid of them.
You talk alway to get more people in the sport. well :every competitior is still a competitor, and its not there fold that there arent more competitors in there classes
why don't let the rules the same this yaer (exept for the 2 new classes) and get already started on the rules for 2009 and relaes this rules somwhere in september or so, then everybody knows what to do after the finals
quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: Like I have said from the beginning...the Maxximus is two 5000watt amps (Goliaths) in one case...everyone is aware of this. Like any other strappable amps you only need 2 wires running from sub to amp. It is totally legal given the current rule matrix, which should be addressed because in street A it should either not be allowed (hard to impossible to enforce) or people should be able to run two separate monoblocks because in reality what is the differance if they are separate monoblocks or two monoblocks in one case. I think I will put my two amps in one cardboard box and write a model on it in magic marker so that its two amps in one case then noone could complain lol. Because what afterall is the definition of a case anyway? If its metal I can get someone to weld a metal housing for my two amps so there are so many ways around this rule
[stirring crap] Even better... take 2 Maxximus' and a Maxxlink and wire them all up inside your cardboard box.
*bam* Now you have a 20kw street amp that can be run off a multi-cell battery
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quote:Originally posted by Tor S Aamodt: Can someone explain to me WHY the Hifonics amp has these data:
2 x 2000-Watts....RMS @ 4-Ohms 2 x 3500-Watts....RMS @ 2-Ohms 2 x 5000-Watts....RMS @ 1-Ohm 1 x 7000-Watts....Bridged Mono @ 4-Ohms 1 x 10,000-Watts..Bridged Mono @ 2-Ohms
Also, can someone tell me how many conductors you NEED to have on this amp to get it ALL to work?
it has these specs because it is a 2 channel bridgeable amplifier. to run bridged it only needs 2 conductors ran from the amp to the enclosure.
same as any other 2 channel bridgeable amplifier on the market.
Exactly the same as a series 7 or 8 collossus which came out late 80s. same as the original orion 2350s one amp that internally is multiple boards. SO GUESS WHAT if the maxximus cannot be used in street a then there is a whole list of amplifiers dating back to the 80s that cannot be used.
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quote:Originally posted by Tor S Aamodt: Can someone explain to me WHY the Hifonics amp has these data:
2 x 2000-Watts....RMS @ 4-Ohms 2 x 3500-Watts....RMS @ 2-Ohms 2 x 5000-Watts....RMS @ 1-Ohm 1 x 7000-Watts....Bridged Mono @ 4-Ohms 1 x 10,000-Watts..Bridged Mono @ 2-Ohms
Also, can someone tell me how many conductors you NEED to have on this amp to get it ALL to work?
it has these specs because it is a 2 channel bridgeable amplifier. to run bridged it only needs 2 conductors ran from the amp to the enclosure.
same as any other 2 channel bridgeable amplifier on the market.
Exactly the same as a series 7 or 8 collossus which came out late 80s. same as the original orion 2350s one amp that internally is multiple boards. SO GUESS WHAT if the maxximus cannot be used in street a then there is a whole list of amplifiers dating back to the 80s that cannot be used.
Did someone mention old school orion
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In the past it was always a problem that it was tried to put all professional competitors and people who just wanna do a burp on a SP together. Where this ends u can see on the last scores in the street class. If u try to limit the number of amps u all people (especially in SA) needs to buy the biggest amps on earth. People need to use now stuff which is sold by a small number of distributors and stuff which is even not really commercially available.
Iīve made much thoughts already 1 - 2 years ago about how a new street class should look like. We need to go away to put professionals and amateurs in a class together. Here u can look how i would like to see the street classes
Street-Professional ->max. battery size of a small battery like an optima GP34 (no multicells are allowed) ->amps (2 in SA, 4 in SB, 8 in SC) ->subs like in the old rules ->box can be covered during the event - but NOT the car ! Everybody must be able to take a look into the inside of a car !
Street-oldschool ->the same rules as in the last year for the street class excepts multicells are not allowed
Whats more -> Street professional wonīt be available on Single and Double-Point Events. Only at 3x and finals -> Street oldschool wonīt be available on finals
What are the follows -> almost all professional competitors who have tuned their system for dbdrag wanna take part at finals. So they go to street profssional
-> Because street-oldschool extends street-professional all competitors competing in street-professional can also compete in street-oldschool. In that class all professionals can now collect points on SP/DP
-> because of the dramatical reduced battery size in the street-prfessional that class will gain much attractivity. All the power goes from the battery. If u limit the battery size big amps/stuff doesnīt make any sense. Now almost everybody is able to compete with the same chance to get top scores with a small budget.
Currently the biggest problem is to get new competitors to street. I really can understand why. When u get asked by a newbie what he should do to be able to do the same scores as the top guys u have to answer him (if u are honest): Put at least 6000-7000 Euros (at very good prices) (about 5000 dollars) on the table and with that stuff u will be able to get to the top. Most of them see that they will never be able to invest as much money into that sport and donīt come back. But what do u think he will say if u tell him - buy a battery for 100 dollars + some wires (not 40, not 20, not 10 runs) + 2 x 3 kw amps + 1 good sub and u are able to compete at the same level with the top guys. If he already has a strong setup he even can downgrade with that and just need to tune his car + box ... hmmm.. now the situation is totally different for him.
Its even more different from him. 1. he doesnīt need to buy an expensive battery anymore. An Optima GP34 or similar batteries are available at many shops. If u wanna sell that battery...... no problem. Try to sell a multicell battery - nobody wants it for that price 2. he can use now real commercially available amps from many many brands. When u look at 2 - 3 KW amps - there are hundert of different models u can select from them. If u wanna try to sell a 2 - 3 kw amps...... no problem. There are many people willing to buy this amp. Try to sell a 7 kw amp (i can quote some people who have big problems in selling that kind of amps for a resonable price). Just imagine what problems people will get with 10+KW amps..... they are almost not saleable at reasonable price.
What are the biggest advantages for u (wayne) and shop owners having events: 1. As the street class gets much more attractive for everybody u see more competitors. People who just wanna do a burp will be still in the street class. But people who are doing professional dbdrag goes to street professional encountering a much higher number of competitors competing on the same level as they are doing. Competition will be much more interesting for them. All scores gets close together. Everybody is fighting for the 0.x db and knows that if nothing get damaged they wonīt lose by 5+db. Look at this event:
Thats what real competitors likes to see. Competing head on head
2. As people are using "normal" equipment in the professional cars local shop owners are much more willing to make an event. If a professional gets there and does a great number also other people will see what setup he is using. And this stuff they almost can buy EVERYWHERE! Now thats some kind of advertising for the local shop owner and not for special distributors selling not their stuff thru many local shops. And i am absolutly sure big distributors will be also much more willing to sponsor dbdrag now.
Thats from my side. Its a really good idea inside of my thoughts. I really would like to have rules like this one. In my opinion i just wanna use NORMAL stuff and compete on the SAME level against many other competitors at reasonable budget.
quote:Whats more -> Street professional wonīt be available on Single and Double-Point Events. Only at 3x and finals -> Street oldschool wonīt be available on finals
so no street oldschool at finals and street professional only at 3x events? would be pretty hard to make it finals if your class is only offered at 3x show? this makes no sense.
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quote:Whats more -> Street professional wonīt be available on Single and Double-Point Events. Only at 3x and finals -> Street oldschool wonīt be available on finals
so no street oldschool at finals and street professional only at 3x events? would be pretty hard to make it finals if your class is only offered at 3x show? this makes no sense.
It makes sense Professionals can compete also in Street-oldschool. Street Professional is just a more limitation of Street-oldschool to keep the costs for being competitive low and make it possible for much more people to compete seriously
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If only one of a particular amp is allowed to run in Street B because of rules limitations, that particular amp should not be allowed in Street A.
John, going back to the Stetsom amp. The Stetsom amp is a one channel amp that is strappable. You can use two Stetsoms in Street B and only one in Street A.
This discussion has nothing to do with how many boards are in the amp, it has to do with the fact the the amp in not strappable. It is a two channel bridgeable amp, not a single channel strappable amp.
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here is a picture off the xxv maxximus can u use the amp(s) by connecting 1+ and 1- to the speaker outputs or do you need to put a wire between the 2- from the amp and put +from sub to top+ and -from sub to botom+ like strapping amps
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This is two amplfiers in one case (one pcb next to the other). One of the amps has the pre-amp depopulated (as you can see) with jumpers to the second amp pre-amp section. There are two seperate power supplies jumped together (as you can see). There are two sets of speaker leads (one for each amp) which are jumped together (as you can see).
Now, you can say what you will but the pictures do not lie. This is clearly and undisputedly two seperate amps in one case.
This amp is also completely legal in accordance to the rules and Stetsom did a great job. They did things differantly but still two amps in one case!
there is always more ways to skin a cat and this is just there way. The results are the same.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: The amplifier has one case and only requires two conductors from the amp to the sub enclosure. Just like Wayne explained to be legal.
You should be very familiar with this amp because you are apparently familiar with the Colossus.
I beleive you were a part of the insider rules discusion committee?
If you wish to make this part of your meeting public, by all means do so.
You are a judge and if you have specific product questions you can ask me directly if you choose rather then being retorical and beating around the bush and just say what's on your mind.
John,
We are currently discussing these issues, yes. I belive that some posts here are not accurate, by fact.
This is two amplfiers in one case (one pcb next to the other). One of the amps has the pre-amp depopulated (as you can see) with jumpers to the second amp pre-amp section. There are two seperate power supplies jumped together (as you can see). There are two sets of speaker leads (one for each amp) which are jumped together (as you can see).
Now, you can say what you will but the pictures do not lie. This is clearly and undisputedly two seperate amps in one case.
This amp is also completely legal in accordance to the rules and Stetsom did a great job. They did things differantly but still two amps in one case!
there is always more ways to skin a cat and this is just there way. The results are the same.
The Stetsom amp is Strappable.
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So, If we extended the heat sink over the speaker terminals and just left two terminals outside (+ & -), would that make you happy?
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here is a picture off the xxv maxximus can u use the amp(s) by connecting 1+ and 1- to the speaker outputs or do you need to put a wire between the 2- from the amp and put +from sub to top+ and -from sub to botom+ like strapping amps
It doesn't matter. the rule says that only two conductors can run from the amp to the sub enclosure which is what the Maxximus does.
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Ok, it looks like kind of crap, the new rules!
would it have been so difficult to make:
Street A Street B Street C Street Max 1-2 Street Max 3+ Super Street 1-2 Super Street 3+ Extrem 1-2 Extrem 3+ and last but not least, the most difficult: Super Streeet No Wall
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: So, If we extended the heat sink over the speaker terminals and just left two terminals outside (+ & -), would that make you happy?
As long as the amp is strappable with another one.
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quote:Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: it does matter when u strap 2 amps its also only 2 conductors
but u need more wires to get it work
so my question is
do you need a wire between the top and botom - to get the 100% power from it
no offense Peter but I don't care if it matters to you personally. It doesn't matter to the rules. Explain where in the rules it says anything about a jumper wire! I know you agree but want to fight until the end.
Two conductors from amp to sub enclosure.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John:
quote:Originally posted by augustijnen Peter:
here is a picture off the xxv maxximus can u use the amp(s) by connecting 1+ and 1- to the speaker outputs or do you need to put a wire between the 2- from the amp and put +from sub to top+ and -from sub to botom+ like strapping amps
It doesn't matter. the rule says that only two conductors can run from the amp to the sub enclosure which is what the Maxximus does.
Thank you for helping to point out that grey area in the rules.
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