I'm not sure if someone has brought this up yet, but this is a thought for Street A.
The one amp limit. If you can not use two of that same amp in Street B, then that amp should not be allowed in Street A.
For Street B it says that you can use one amp or two monoblocks. One huge two channel would only allow one in Street B.
And why have four conductors in Street B? One amp should mean two conductors, shouldn't it? Two monoblocks strapped should mean two conductors, shouldn't it? I'm confused.
Same concept should apply to Street C?
If only one of the amps is allowed in Street B, then it doesn't belong in Street A.
Any thoughts?
LOL...Alex just come out and say it:
NO DUAL MONOBLOCKS ALLOWED!!
Feel better?
Only a single amp can be used in Street A. No dual monoblocks. (read the fine print).
What I'm trying to get at is one should not be allowed in Street A if you couldn't use two in Street B.
Let's say you have a huge two channel bridgeable amp, that would be two conductors, but you can't use two of those in Street B. That amp should not be allowed in Street A.
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the only thing I don't like is once again street A rules will allow cheater amps like the Maxximus...imo street A and B should be the same amp limit unless you want people to all go and buy a maxximus for street A
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As for no wall, I would say the conducter rule would keep the amp check -in check. Space is the biggest challenge to this class, so cram it if you can! As long as I can use what I paid my money for, I'm good - otherwise, I will be more than discontented, to say the least. And Brad- stop trying to drop this to a street class - please! If this were a new class, street style considerations would be easier, but some of us have put some real money into this already. Just like the super bowl teams, You build them and don't expect them to hit bowl status the first year out, even with the huge amount of finance to start it with, but inside of a reasonable amount of time, the goal would be the bowl. That is where some of us our right now. The season is young, we all need to get building , and like a bad Rocky movie - the last thing we need is Matrix 22 or something.
quote:Originally posted by NV-Marquis: the maxximus cant be used wayne posted
I am not familiar with the Maxximus but if it is a single amp and has 2 conductors it can be used in Street A. There are no prohibitions regarding amplifier brands or output power in any division except for Street Stock as long as the amp in question meets all of the other judging criteria outlined in the rule book.
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Everything looks good, but I still would like to see an additional class added to the OS extreme division, I really think it would help jump start that division and give it a true chance of surviving, many will not like the idea of going up against a car with 5 or more woofers when they only have 1 or 2, cone area is going to affect the competitors score more dramatically than it does with the current band-pass designs, so why have anyone at a disadvantage, I think there should be a 1-4, and 5 plus class at the bare minimum.
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There is a difference of maximum conductors allowed In Street B and Street C between matrix and the class description at the bottom of the matrix. I Think that the mistake is in the class description...
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quote:Originally posted by NV-Marquis: the maxximus cant be used wayne posted
I am not familiar with the Maxximus but if it is a single amp and has 2 conductors it can be used in Street A. There are no prohibitions regarding amplifier brands or output power in any division except for Street Stock as long as the amp in question meets all of the other judging criteria outlined in the rule book.
my bad, thoguht u were talking about it and others, because its a multiboard non strappable amp.
quote:Originally posted by Mazda SPL: There is a difference of maximum conductors allowed In Street B and Street C between matrix and the class description at the bottom of the matrix. I Think that the mistake is in the class description...
Thanks for the heads up. I will fix it.
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"We are currently working on the class structure for 2009. I do not believe that the current changes are sufficient to address many of our concerns but, to be fair to existing competitors and those of you who are already building, we felt more notice is necessary."
What does this hold for competiors in 2009? How much change. I would not want to upgrade in 2008 and in 2009 im S.O.L sort of speak. Will there be competior discussion on the 2009 rules soon? How much money we spend into our system this year, will effect how much money we spend for 2009. I would rather have a heads up for 2009 so i know what my limit is for 2008. Why bother buying equiptment for 2008 when 2009 could be totally different.
quote:Originally posted by NV-Marquis: the maxximus cant be used wayne posted
I am not familiar with the Maxximus but if it is a single amp and has 2 conductors it can be used in Street A. There are no prohibitions regarding amplifier brands or output power in any division except for Street Stock as long as the amp in question meets all of the other judging criteria outlined in the rule book.
The XXVMaxximus is a single amp, requires only two conductors from the amp to the enclosure and is with in the rules completely.
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quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: the only thing I don't like is once again street A rules will allow cheater amps like the Maxximus...imo street A and B should be the same amp limit unless you want people to all go and buy a maxximus for street A
Cheater amp? Care to explain? Are all amps with two pcb's cheater amps? I can name a few that do but that would upset more then a few people.
I don't want every one to go out and buy a Maxximus. Buy a Kicker Warhorse. From what I hear, it is a great amp and 10,000 watts as well. Buy a SoundStream 10,000 watt amp. Buy a Stetsom 10K Buy what ever your favorite flavor is but don't hate on us.
We went through this crap a few years ago with the Colossus and the Maxximus amp has been in use for 3 years. If it's more powerful then what you are using...I'm sorry. If you prefer, we will build a 12,000 watt strappable amp, your call.
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Can be run off 2 conductors but is clearly two amps.
Ala the SPL D 4000D and Team Trendsetters amp.
edit - The XXV is a dual mono blocks so isnt allowed in A.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: But the XX Maximus?
Can be run off 2 conductors but is clearly two amps.
Ala the SPL D 4000D and Team Trendsetters amp.
Two conductors from the amp to the enclosure.
Also, not clearly two amps. Think about a 10,000 watt amp that is 58" long. That is too long for most cars. We cut the length in half (29") and put half the power supply section on top to make it shorter. Open it up. There is only one pre-amp and one set of unbalanced inputs.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John:
quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: But the XX Maximus?
Can be run off 2 conductors but is clearly two amps.
Ala the SPL D 4000D and Team Trendsetters amp.
Two conductors from the amp to the enclosure.
Dont funking care, we all know its two in a case.
Dual mono, as you market it, therefore not allowed in A.
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I can appreciate the effort youve made John but it is clearly two amps.
You even market it as such, a dual mono.
No dual monos in A anymore.
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Back to all this BS about amps again, there are a lot of amps that are 2 amps in 1 case, as far as mono blocks I'm not sure, but I could see the Maximus in Street A along with a lot of other big amps people won't like. But we don't wanna put product limits on "Street" classes now do we?
quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: I can appreciate the effort youve made John but it is clearly two amps.
You even market it as such, a dual mono.
No dual monos in A anymore.
Ok, don't get emotional and please just read the rules below. I'm not being a wise guy. The Maxximus operates with in the rules.
* Street A – 1-12 or 2-10’s or 3-8’s / Maximum of 1 amp – 2 Conductors Total between amp rack and sub enclosure
* Street B – 1-15 or 2-12’s or 3-10’s or 4-8’s / Maximum of 1 amp (or 2 monoblock amplifiers) – 4 Conductors Total between amp rack and sub enclosure
* Street C – 1-18 or 2-15’s or 4-12’s or 6-10’s or 8-8’s / Maximum of 2 amps (or 4 monoblock amplifiers) – 8 Conductors Total between amp rack and sub enclosure
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You cant bridge a mono amp yet you can an XXV Maxximus.
Ipso facto, an XXV Maxximus is not a mono amp and is not allowed in Street A.
One in B and Two in C.
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