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i love how it's brought up that people are racist against minorities when that wasn't even brought up other than ignorant people thinking that all of a certain kind of people are on welfare.. there as many mexicans... black people... and white trailer trash drawing welfare the point is that regardless of race people are plain ass tired of paying for people to sit at home do and deal drugs and still get a check for welfare from hardworking people with legitimate sources of income.. why shouldn't these people be subjected to some form of random testing ? hell i know women who get pregnant on purpose ditch the guy sue for child support and go to college for FREE because they are single mothers...
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quote:Originally posted by info giver: i love how it's brought up that people are racist against minorities when that wasn't even brought up other than ignorant people thinking that all of a certain kind of people are on welfare..
Hit the nail on the head.
The people that started labeling others here as racist did so by taking a comment about a situation, drawing the connection that a generalization about a group of people connected with that situation can be made, then assuming the person talking about the situation is talking about that generalization of the group of people, and then labeling that person a racist who said nothing about the group of people as a whole.
The person screaming racism is the racist.. isn't that nice.
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Well its time to take this thread a little bit over the edge and offend some people.......
1st I dont think people on welfare should be drug tested thats a pure waste of tax money. There are too many ways around drug testing and it would really just be throwing good money after bad..... But I do think their right to vote should be forfeited until they get off welfare. I think they should have to do community service in order to recieve the welfare. And I think they should be forcefully made sterile if they have more than 1 child while being on welfare.
I never understood the logic that people getting hand outs should be allowed to vote in people that will give them even more hand outs.
quote:Originally posted by nice: for some reason, you have something against minorities. Maybe it's not your fault, maybe it's your upbringing.
2nd NICE ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE PROVING HOW MUCH OF A TARD YOU ARE!!!!!! THERE ARE MORE WHITE PEOPLE ON WELFARE THAN ANY OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC YOU DUMBASS.
Your race baiting is weak and it hasn't fit one single time since you started doing it.
Go follow Sharpton and Jessie Jackson around for a while..... dumbasses like you have been making them rich for years.
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But if you look at the numbers the next largest demographic makes up only 37% of the people on welfare.........So that tells me that there must be more whites on welfare than any other demograpic
Sorry I can't find a more legit source of ifo...... I had seen the statistic on a legit source before but I honestly can't find it right now. But the stats on this site almost mirror the legit site that I had seen once before. You'll just have to take my word for it until I can find it again. I'll look later but I gotta go to bed right now.
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While that is not a primary source, it does properly reference primary sources-- so (though I haven't checked that the sources actually say whats quoted), it seems like its certainly legitimate enough for this discussion, IMO.
although its worth noting that the latest data there is from 1992.
although... the data does beg the question... is the race representation in those statistics proportional to each race's population, or are there "disparities?"
quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast: While that is not a primary source, it does properly reference primary sources-- so (though I haven't checked that the sources actually say whats quoted), it seems like its certainly legitimate enough for this discussion, IMO.
although its worth noting that the latest data there is from 1992.
The data I saw prior was a little more recent... But I think it was still over 6 years old at the time I saw it....... Even at that the percentages I saw were about the same....... I think the difference in the stats I saw said that 37% of people on welfare were white and the next largest demographic was only 33%......... And thats mostly cause the 3rd demographic had increased soooooo dramatically in the past decade due to non existant border enforcement.
You wouldn't think it would be so hard to find legit welfare statistics????
quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast: *nudges the debate along*
although... the data does beg the question... is the race representation in those statistics proportional to each race's population, or are there "disparities?"
I dont think so...... I'm trying not to read too far into it.
I think the stats are simply saying that there are X amount of people on welfare........ and out of that amount.... this ___% of the welfare population are of this racial make up.
The amount of people on welfare doesn't reflect percentage of total population........ But personally I would figure that if everything was equal........ and whites make up 70% of the total american population....... that they should also make up 70% of the welfare population. But it doesn't seem to work out like that due to the inequitable amounts of poverty from one demographic to another and probably a number of other things that aren't comming to mind.
If you get down to the reasons behind why people are on welfare you can begin to get rid of the welfare....... or to start preventing people from being on welfare.
And this is exactly where I start being partisan again........
When more people feel they NEED welfare and have no personal control over their own situation they are always going to feel that the government should control the distribution of wealth through taxation of the wealthy and working people.
The things causing welfar are complicated but the simple answer is not........ The only way for people to get off welfare is that they have to support themselves (get jobs, start businesses, invest their money into things that go up in value instead of dumping all the little money they get into things with no true value)
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you know caprice, sometimes you can say stuff brilliantly to where u could sell me. But then you say stuff like disallowing voting...... That to me seems to be way out there from either party in my opinion. I disagree with the voting, i actually would be in favor of letting felons vote, unless incarcerated, since we the country are supposed to be able to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps. Kinda hard to pull yourself up and be patriotic when you dont have a say in your choice of leadership.
i do agree with your welfare statement for the most part tho, as in your theory of fixin it.
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quote:Originally posted by HCCAfan is back: you know caprice, sometimes you can say stuff brilliantly to where u could sell me. But then you say stuff like disallowing voting...... That to me seems to be way out there from either party in my opinion.
Well I'm not really trying to sell anybody on anything... I hope you take in info and form your own opinion.
And it may seem way out there from either party but its really not much different than not allowing felons to vote. You don't let people making bad decisions.... make decisions that are going to effect everyone else. People with a track record of being responsible should be endowed with responsibility.
quote:Originally posted by HCCAfan is back: i actually would be in favor of letting felons vote, unless incarcerated, since we the country are supposed to be able to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps. Kinda hard to pull yourself up and be patriotic when you dont have a say in your choice of leadership.
In some states felons are allowed to vote...... they just can't vote while incarcerated or while they have out standing warrants or unpaid restitution to victims or the state.
I don't feel bad for felons unless they are wrongfully accused. Felonies dont occur by accident. They are conscious of their actions when the commit the felony. Felons cost unbelievable amounts of tax revenue policing them, trying them, feeding them, incarcerating them, and defending them.
I dont feel bad that a felons rights to vote are taken away...... And I wouldn't feel bad if welfare recipients weren't able to vote while recieving welfare unless they are a veteran or military or something of that nature.
If you are the problem you shouldn't be involved in picking the solution to the problem......... simple conflict of interests.
quote:Originally posted by HCCAfan is back: i do agree with your welfare statement for the most part tho, as in your theory of fixin it.
I believe that politics are hindering the opportunity to fix it..... And maybe I am off base here but this is the way I always invision it in my head..........
PROBLEM..... Republicans dont want welfare because they dont want to pay taxes to support someone else..... they believe it discourages people to participate in the economy in a positive way (getting a job). It is socialism because you are taking from one person and giving to another..... way too often the person recieving it is completely physically and mentally capable of working they are just gaming the system.
THEIR SOLUTION........ Republicans don't care about solving the problem because they are self concerned...... they dont care about the people on welfare they just dont want to have to pay for it.... Almost no motivation to solve the problem. They dont care about the actual solution cause to them the actual solution is simple...... stop taking my money and giving it to someone that isn't working for it.
PROBLEM....... Democrats want welfare because at some level of society it is a must. Even I dont think you can get rid of welfare completely. Some people actually need it. As easy as it is for me to judge somebody and say their lazy ass needs to get a job...... the reality is that not everyone trying to get a job is going to find one. The reality is that there aren't always jobs available to people in certain areas. Some people are physically or mentally handicapped and need assistance. And there are various other legit reason why people need welfare.
THEIR SOLUTION..... Democrats dont think welfare is even a problem. They think capitalism is the problem. They think poor people are poor because rich people are somehow forcing them to be poor . A lot of democratic leaders are socialist politicians that use race baiting and peoples emotions combined with economical and financial ignorance in order to get elected. A person trying to get a welfare recipients vote could never admit that welfare is a problem that should be solved.
Who in their right mind would vote for someone trying to take away their livelyhood???
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quote:People with a track record of being responsible should be endowed with responsibility.
quote:Who in their right mind would vote for someone trying to take away their livelyhood???
and you don't think there is a conflict between those two ideas?
If a person is punished harshly by the government for a crime... the responsible thing to do would be to let that person vote. The gov is like... well... this guy wants change, and very likely disagrees with the gov... lets take away their rights.
I take this even further. If a 17-year-old commits a crime, say, speeding, that person can be punished, fined, etc. BUT that person can't vote? I have a very strong opinion that anyone who, under law, is able to be punished by a governing body, MUST be able to vote. And the otherway around, too. if the government does not allow a person to vote, that person should not be able to be punished under law.
and before someone starts whining like, hey, they'll just screw up the system. they don't know what they're doing. (ie, we disagree with that sector's vote, so lets just ignore them). If you think that way.. do you also think they should be immune to be punished for crimes?
IMO, the only way to do it fairly (unless we make a law that says "people under this age are unable to commit crimes, and are thus unable to vote"), is to form some sort of testing body. It already exists for people to be punished for crimes.. BUT not for people, who have a right to vote, to gain suffrage from their persecuting government.
quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast: I have a very strong opinion that anyone who, under law, is able to be punished by a governing body, MUST be able to vote. And the otherway around, too. if the government does not allow a person to vote, that person should not be able to be punished under law.
So, a person currently in prison for child molestation should be allowed to vote?
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quote:Originally posted by HCCAfan is back: you know caprice, sometimes you can say stuff brilliantly to where u could sell me. But then you say stuff like disallowing voting...... That to me seems to be way out there from either party in my opinion. I disagree with the voting, i actually would be in favor of letting felons vote, unless incarcerated, since we the country are supposed to be able to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps. Kinda hard to pull yourself up and be patriotic when you dont have a say in your choice of leadership.
i do agree with your welfare statement for the most part tho, as in your theory of fixin it.
Convicted felons can vote after completion of prison and/or parole. I see nothing wrong with that.
There are exceptions depending on the state, but for the most part ex-felons can have their right to vote reinstated.
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you quoted it.. but still don't quite comprehend...
quote:I have a very strong opinion that anyone who, under law, is able to be punished by a governing body, MUST be able to vote.
anyone means anyone, regardless of how I think of that person or their political stance.
about the the government "reinstatement" of voting...
A big problem with that is that not voting during a span has the potential to affect thatperson for long after. Say, if someone important was elected that the person oppossed. That person would have to live with that, even though they had no say in the matter.
quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast: about the the government "reinstatement" of voting...
A big problem with that is that not voting during a span has the potential to affect thatperson for long after. Say, if someone important was elected that the person oppossed. That person would have to live with that, even though they had no say in the matter.
so it is critical to not interrupt voting.
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Who gives a shyt what they think?
Maybe they should have thought about how that vote 'would affect them for long after' before they commited a crime and got sent to prison.
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I'm not saying that the gov can't do that, the way its set up atm. I'm saying that they shouldn't. Its completely unrelated to crimes... and it inhibits the person to exercise that right.
I'm not saying I care what other people think, which is their business to begin with. They have a right, and should be allowed to use it.
quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast: I'm not saying that the gov can't do that, the way its set up atm. I'm saying that they shouldn't. Its completely unrelated to crimes... and it inhibits the person to exercise that right.
I'm not saying I care what other people think, which is their business to begin with. They have a right, and should be allowed to use it.
How aout you petition your local goverment about prisoners rights instead of whining on an audio forum about it?
Don't talk about it, be about it.
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