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Winslow - What figures are you going by for the death tolls? Are you including the deaths of the Iraqi citizens?I understand we've "only" lost a little over 4000 of our own in Iraq, but how many Iraqis have been killed? Hint: It's around 100,000. P.S. Let's not forget who's country it was in the first place. P.P.S. Anyone remember who was AGAINST going into Iraq? Martin
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if 9/11 would not have happened, this would all be a dream ... its nobodys fault but Bin Laden's .. and congrats to all the political specialists on here to clarify everything ...
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quote:Iconoccast, remind me what state Chicago is located in. I seem to think it may have been the state the big O is from.
uhh... ok. thanks for the tidbit of trivia.
quote:He wants to talk about all of the dying in the middle east, but more people were killed in ONE city in the state he is from than in all of Iraq over the same time period.
... again, thanks for the trivia.
*strains to find out why this post seems directed at me*
quote:(Obama) is pandering to those who are beating the antiwar drum, when in reality, the largest city in his home state is more dangerous than the whole country of Iraq.
uhh.... and?
quote:So, he can't deal with issues on the city/state level, but you want him to run a republic?
ahh... this seems like the closest thing to a point in your post... too bad to doesn't have anything to do with anything. For the sake of arguement, I'm assuming your stats are true.
OK, seems like you're saying Obama is the reason for the increase in deaths. I don't know anything about the situation other than what you've told me, but its going to take a lot more than that for me to accept that he somehow caused all of that.
So prove that, and then prove: that the situation in Iraq is the same as Chicago (for validity).
So... convince me
quote:Where did you fail to connect the dots?
I don't connect dots just for the sake of connecting them. I take care to make sure the dots I connect are related in some way. Until I see how the two dots you mentioned are related (cause-effect), I will wait to see if I, too, will connect them.
quote:Originally posted by Spl_Lover: if 9/11 would not have happened, this would all be a dream ... its nobodys fault but Bin Laden's .. and congrats to all the political specialists on here to clarify everything ...
Let me help ya out.......... Bin Laden was never in Iraq.
quote:Originally posted by Spl_Lover: if 9/11 would not have happened, this would all be a dream ... its nobodys fault but Bin Laden's .. and congrats to all the political specialists on here to clarify everything ...
again, evidence? proof of the cause and effeect relationship? what exactly are you saying he caused? any one in power agree with you?
If the Wright brothers wouldn't have done their work when they did, it wuldn't have happened either. Technology would have been delayed, and our entire world woudl have changed. Does that make them terrorists as well? What about the engineer(s) who designed the buildings? terrorists as well? The people who paid for the buildings? the company that built the planes?
quote:Iconoccast, remind me what state Chicago is located in. I seem to think it may have been the state the big O is from.
uhh... ok. thanks for the tidbit of trivia.
quote:He wants to talk about all of the dying in the middle east, but more people were killed in ONE city in the state he is from than in all of Iraq over the same time period.
... again, thanks for the trivia.
*strains to find out why this post seems directed at me*
quote:(Obama) is pandering to those who are beating the antiwar drum, when in reality, the largest city in his home state is more dangerous than the whole country of Iraq.
uhh.... and?
quote:So, he can't deal with issues on the city/state level, but you want him to run a republic?
ahh... this seems like the closest thing to a point in your post... too bad to doesn't have anything to do with anything. For the sake of arguement, I'm assuming your stats are true.
OK, seems like you're saying Obama is the reason for the increase in deaths. I don't know anything about the situation other than what you've told me, but its going to take a lot more than that for me to accept that he somehow caused all of that.
So prove that, and then prove: that the situation in Iraq is the same as Chicago (for validity).
So... convince me
quote:Where did you fail to connect the dots?
I don't connect dots just for the sake of connecting them. I take care to make sure the dots I connect are related in some way. Until I see how the two dots you mentioned are related (cause-effect), I will wait to see if I, too, will connect them.
I think winslow was making the connection that with chicago's high death rate was a result of obama's gun control policy. I could be wrong but that seems to me the dots he's trying to get others to connect. Gun control only stops responsible people from owning them.
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quote:Originally posted by Spl_Lover: if 9/11 would not have happened, this would all be a dream ... its nobodys fault but Bin Laden's .. and congrats to all the political specialists on here to clarify everything ...
Let me help ya out.......... Bin Laden was never in Iraq.
You got a GPS tracking on him or something
And how stupid are you to think someone has to be physically somewhere in order them to have anything to do with what happened. Is bin laden the reason behind 9/11 yes, is Iraq, no not directly but if they allow terrorist top operate so much as a lemonade stand on their soil then they are part of the problem
IMO I could careless about any ties to 9/11 and Iraq, Saddam needed removed as does any other dictator trying to "cleanse" his country by mass killing.
Look at how effective he is in his own state. And you want to add 49 more to that?
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And how many people are killed here in our own streets?
I remember who was against going to Iraqi...not anyone who is running for President who was in an elected position after 9/11.
And it sure wasn't big O's pastor.
quote:Originally posted by mjs: Winslow - What figures are you going by for the death tolls? Are you including the deaths of the Iraqi citizens?I understand we've "only" lost a little over 4000 of our own in Iraq, but how many Iraqis have been killed? Hint: It's around 100,000. P.S. Let's not forget who's country it was in the first place. P.P.S. Anyone remember who was AGAINST going into Iraq? Martin
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quote:Originally posted by winslow: Shane...winna winna chicken dinner.
Look at how effective he is in his own state. And you want to add 49 more to that?
figured thats what you were shooting for, pardon my pun I listen to alot of conservative radio programs, like glenn beck and a local show on 983wowfm.com every day at work, and i try to debunk the information they spew to see the bias. Hannity urks my noodle how biased he is, but glenn beck can be down to earth on most of his talk. the local show is a lil better (mac's world) since mac is a conservative and his partner bradshaw is liberal.
but back to your point, i agree, his policies on gun control really suck azz. So much for the right to bear arms, eh? I was taught that a locked door only keeps honest people out, same can be said about guns. Gun control keeps RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS from owning guns. It doesnt stop criminals from owning guns, never has and never will.
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(especially in the post just above this one) you made some very good points.
I know that Chicago has a gun ban.. If Obama started it (did he? someone search this please), then I would have no choice but to agree that Obama was indeed a cause of the increased death tolls in Chicago, assuming they did. And if a law like that did pass, and deaths didn't increase, its a damned miracle.
I do know that Obama is for gun control. This is one of a couple things that I STRONGLY disagree with Obama about. But, as everyone else says, its a matter of lesser evils...
Gun Rights are very important to me, but... Personally, I don't think Obama and his army, especially after the recent supreme court decision affirming our personal right to prtect ourselves, has a decent chance to bastardize our gun rights during his presidency.
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a majority of democrats with a democrat at the helm?? You dont think they could pass it? Especially after this latest bail out bill, with as much pork on it I doubt they would have much of a problem with obama at the helm.
edit.. (adding).. I am also very scared at the thought of John McCain passing some killer earmarks too, I know he's been wishy washy on that. But I do know that McCain wont give up on the gun ban.
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George Bush has been in office for 7½ years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago: 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2½ year high; 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; 3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%. 4) the Dow Jones Stock Market hit a record high, 14,000+ 5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large...
But, the American's wanted 'CHANGE'. So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress, and yes, we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the past year: 1) Consumer confidence has plummeted; 2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing; 3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 trillion dollars and prices still dropping; 5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure; 6) The Dow is probing another low .. $2.5 trillion dollars has evaporated their stocks, bonds and mutual funds investment portfolios.
Yes, in 2006 America voted for 'CHANGE', and we surely got change..
Remember, the President has no control over any of these issues … Only Congress … And what has Congress done in the last two years … absolutely nothing.
Now, the Democratic Candidate for President claims he is going to really give us a 'CHANGE', along with a Democratic Congress…!
Just how much more 'CHANGE' do you think you can stand…?
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^^^ wow, its incredible how little you understand about how it all works. its also amazing that you'd believe something like that without thinking.
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