quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast: also, I'm confused. Someone mentioned Obama voting Present a lot... BUt you implied that this is a negative thing... what? lol
the Present vote is very important and is one thing I LOVE about Obama. If he doesn't like either side of something, then he still has the balls and work ethic to show up for work and let everyone know.
voting present doesnt take balls. it says he isnt gonna decide, he isnt gonna lead, he isnt gonna make a choice, isnt going to do his job. voting present is a political escape of making a choice that might haunt him later. voting PRESENT isnt LEADERSHIP SKILLS.
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maybe he voted for what he believed in? im not scared i voted for bush 4 yrs ago and if he was running for office right now against obama i would vote for him again
i really wish romney was the pick though
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quote:Originally posted by winslow: Anybody want to take a guess at how Nobama will fund all of his public programs? Couldn't be by raising taxes could it? He is a socialist pure and simple.
I don't care for either, but Obama is the much scarier of the 2 being elected.
And about them gas prices...glad to see someone mentioned Congress. What exactly have they done? Have they YET accomplished anything they champained on?
well I'm sure it wouldnt be by giving Exxon-Mobile a 3 BILLION tax cut now would it. For a compnay that posted 32 BILLION dollars profit for last quarter. As for the other comment, I'm sure its going to take more than 2 years to fix everything George Bush has done. If you are in the top 5% of Americans that make 250k + a year than i understand your vote. Factor in also the failed policies ( and not all but 90%) from bush, job loss, home losses etc and McSame wanting to keep those same policies, i would perfer not. As Al Gore once said, most Americans are like a frog on water, if you slowly turn the water up the frog will stay in the pot until it boils itself. Most Americans will no do anything until something drastic really happens until then they will just sit and wait until we go into a recession. Even if McCain gets office in which i pray to god he dosen't and we end up in a recession, people will say that its from Bush and he will get away with it.
You always blame the former president for anything bad first, that has been around for quite some time now. Personally, I like Yin and Tang. You need librals and conservatives. Neither ideal works by themselves. Look at Clinton the first four years, did absolutely nothing. Clinton's last four years when the senate was republican majority, thrived.
Right now is an anomaly, because it is so easy to say it was Bush's fault. He wasn't a perfect president, and I disagree with giving tax cuts to huge power businesses like exxon, unless they were going to use it to create reusable energy. But he has stirred the hornets nest that Clinton left behind.
Truth be told, we haven't had a great presidents since the Roosevelts.
quote:Originally posted by tprj82: maybe he voted for what he believed in? im not scared i voted for bush 4 yrs ago and if he was running for office right now against obama i would vote for him again
quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast: also, ... (about Present Vote)
voting present doesnt take balls. it says he isnt gonna decide, he isnt gonna lead, he isnt gonna make a choice, isnt going to do his job. voting present is a political escape of making a choice that might haunt him later. voting PRESENT isnt LEADERSHIP SKILLS.
proove it. I gave reasons why EVERY aspect about it is just that. it shows leadership skills, balls to say what is right, even if its not what his party members or others like. Would you prefer someone like McCain who wouldn't have the balls or work ethic to do something so moral? McCain is even on thin water with his own party. he can't stir up the water for several reasons- fickle constituency and party makeup, too many ties to lobbyists and big soorporations, etc.
Obama does what he thinks is right, regardless of what others think. And THAT is what we need in the white house.
There are opinions about things.. but that is not an opinion, its a simple fact. if you still think like you did when you made that post, you are just wrong. You don't understand the situation. its not my fault, I tried.
and jarfunkz,
I think the reason that Bush and the republican congress came together is because the congressional majority (not entirely republicans) was able to come together into a mature, logical conclusion. It doesn't happen all too much on a big issue like that, but members from one party (in this case republicans) joined because of what they thought was right, instead of what their party would traditionally do. Everyone was closer back then. I can't see that happening any time soon now. Too muchb mud-slinging.
IMO, it should be a taboo to say anything negativ about your opponent,and to twist things. I think candidates should only say what they want to do, and what they think is best. and compare it with other types of policies- showing the ups and downs of each. then let the people decide what is right ofr the given situation. Too many people think that there is one basic perfect political or socioeconomic strategy that is the best for any and every situation. thats not the case... all this leads to a confrontational wall between politicians and citizens. and too many people who don't understand how politics and sheep herding work are stuck in "beliefs" instead of facts and mature discussion.
Most of what I hear people say about McCain if they're going to vot for him is puirely "belief"-based. its sad, really.
McCain is NOT God, and he does NOT represent Christianity in any way shape or form. Many Christians I know don't realise this, and they are as devoted to him as a God. McCain uses God's name in vain to simply get votes from Christians. I find this highly immoral. People who take advantage of other people like that, and use religion for their own personal gain are horrible people IMO, and I wouldn't vote for him for that alone. How could you consider voting for someone who has insulted one of the Ten Commandments as part of his campaign basis? If anything I'd think you would hold rallies against him.
quote:Originally posted by tprj82: maybe he voted for what he believed in? im not scared i voted for bush 4 yrs ago and if he was running for office right now against obama i would vote for him again
i really wish romney was the pick though
This is the dumbest thing ive heard! :rolleyes:
Yes, very dumb. The republicans wouldn't even vote for him again.
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As usual with this site......... for whatever reason........
There are a bunch of tard ass democrats spouting off liberal rhetoric and half truths.
Anybody voting for Obama has NO IDEA how the economy works.
The people point out how McCain votes with bush 90% of the time should tell me how much legistlation Obama has gotten passed while in office?? Or even tell me anything has done while in office.
Guilt ridden, ignorant, media brainwashed tards.
I've explain countless times how the current state of the economy is not bushes fault and how Obama can actually make it much worse.
But its much too easy to say its Bushes fault.
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quote:Originally posted by tprj82: maybe he voted for what he believed in? im not scared i voted for bush 4 yrs ago and if he was running for office right now against obama i would vote for him again
i really wish romney was the pick though
This is the dumbest thing ive heard!
Yes, very dumb. The republicans wouldn't even vote for him again.
cause the public doesnt like him so they have to try make themselves look good or try to at least
and im sure john keryy was a great choice 4 yrs ago? when the dems put up something other then a smuck then maybe i might consider casting my vote in their favor
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You are what the political pundits call, "an uneducated voter". Bushes approval rate is at 26% is the lowest in history. Are you one of the 26 percenters who actually approve of Bush?
quote:Originally posted by capricewagon: As usual with this site......... for whatever reason........
There are a bunch of tard ass democrats spouting off liberal rhetoric and half truths.
Anybody voting for Obama has NO IDEA how the economy works.
The people point out how McCain votes with bush 90% of the time should tell me how much legistlation Obama has gotten passed while in office?? Or even tell me anything has done while in office.
Guilt ridden, ignorant, media brainwashed tards.
I've explain countless times how the current state of the economy is not bushes fault and how Obama can actually make it much worse.
But its much too easy to say its Bushes fault.
The economy is not Bush's fault? Even McCain says it is. Gas was $1.54 a gallon in 2000 and the economy was much, much better then it is now.
quote:Originally posted by nice: You are what the political pundits call, "an uneducated voter", then again you are from Pa.
Your the uneducated one.
You have no idea how the economy works. And you have no idea how his policies are going to poison our economy.
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quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast: also, ... (about Present Vote)
voting present doesnt take balls. it says he isnt gonna decide, he isnt gonna lead, he isnt gonna make a choice, isnt going to do his job. voting present is a political escape of making a choice that might haunt him later. voting PRESENT isnt LEADERSHIP SKILLS.
proove it. I gave reasons why EVERY aspect about it is just that. it shows leadership skills, balls to say what is right, even if its not what his party members or others like. Would you prefer someone like McCain who wouldn't have the balls or work ethic to do something so moral? McCain is even on thin water with his own party. he can't stir up the water for several reasons- fickle constituency and party makeup, too many ties to lobbyists and big soorporations, etc.
Obama does what he thinks is right, regardless of what others think. And THAT is what we need in the white house.
There are opinions about things.. but that is not an opinion, its a simple fact. if you still think like you did when you made that post, you are just wrong. You don't understand the situation. its not my fault, I tried.
voting "present" shows ZERO, i repeat ZERO leadership skillz and ZERO balls. It shows he's afraid to take a stand on anything. It shows he's not willing to put his name on anything. A vote of "present" is the same thing as sitting there asleep at the wheel. If he gets to the big office and votes "present", wonder how that will fly?? You claim he has shown leadership skills by not agreeing, voting present means he didnt agree with anyone. Since he's such a great leader, why didnt he reintroduce a revised bill to his liking, or even introduce his own bills? Where was his leadership skills?
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I read where the big O voted against a bill he authored...one of the few times he voted for something.
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Voting present, how is that making a decision? Thats like not voting at all. Thats like one of my kids coming to class and expecting to get praised just for showing up. When you are the leader of the free world just showing up isn't gonna cut it. You have to make a decision, yes or no, you can't just sit there and let everyone else decide, which is basically what you are doing with a vote of present...
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