quote:Originally posted by team carmania: @ thomas
i don t think this is the way to do
we didn t know that sub was already done
then we heard from somebody that you didn t like it but you didn t call or mail at the show we talked but you sad nothing
we wait judging and it was oke so we play
if it was not oke then we add a other sub we hat 3 others with us
we only both it and nobody sad any thing to use and they know what we want to do with it
Of course i said something to you. I was sitting in that NW car and was checking the cone. I told you i will do no official protest because i already informed the judges about it. They had the chance to prohibit the woofer before starting the competiton.
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people with a DD95 paper cone reconing it to a 99 with fibre cone I don't think you are against that
I think it is better for the sport to sell 5000 dollar/euro subs that only a few can affort than allow people the get good subs for good prices
and what about me I have 2 old and rusty TRF subs here at my room but now I can't compete with it because there are no RF recones availeble anymore so throw them away and buy new 5000 doller subs to get back in competition ?? what do you think?? I think NOT
just my 2 cents
and now party time
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quote:Originally posted by RFKANGOO: I have seen stuff like this in the past
people with a DD95 paper cone reconing it to a 99 with fibre cone I don't think you are against that
Don't see the problem with that, you can just order that from DD. The composite cone is nothing more than an option on the price list.
I think it is better for the sport to sell 5000 dollar/euro subs that only a few can affort than allow people the get good subs for good prices
Maybe DD should just sell to the consumer direct like other "brands" do. So this will make al the items a lot cheaper because no need for a EU distributor, country distributor and local audio store... BTW the biggest market for the DD Z series subs in in the pro audio world. DD doesn't have to rely on the "handfull" pieces that are used in car audio.
and what about me I have 2 old and rusty TRF subs here at my room but now I can't compete with it because there are no RF recones availeble anymore so throw them away and buy new 5000 doller subs to get back in competition ?? what do you think?? I think NOT
Just get your TRF reconed with cactus sounds softparts, because the MK1 is nothing more than a TRF with other softparts... just my 2 cents
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The thing that got me real angry was the first absolutely lying about the cone here!
quote: what s the porblem and is it a DD cone
nobody knows
we know where it came from you don't
Maybe mister Cactus Sound should get his stuff together a little bit better... So his competitors should not need to ask for 18" composite cones, dustcaps, 15" surronds, etc... from DD
I'm always willing to help anybody, doesn't matter what brand they are running, but letting people run with DD parts on an other brand subs because they can't get the parts or the original parts won't hold AND the other brand is taking all the glory, THAT is a bridge to far!
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quote:Originally posted by kraven moorehead: while everyone is bitching I gotta throw this out there...Pandas are not commercially available here in the us so how can they be used? I know this is going to piss off alot of people and that is not my intention, just the fact that it is not commercially available is my question......Even if you get one you cant drive it on the streets unless you make it emissions compliant. That would mean an engine swap.
Steve.. the problem is that you're being too narrow minded.
Just because it's not commercially available TO YOU doesn't mean it's not commercially available.
Nowhere in the rules does it say it has to be commercially available to everyone everywhere in the world.
As an example.. DDZ subs aren't commercially availble TO ME because none of the stores in my city carry DD.
So, I would have to order one from another country to be able to use it here in my car.
This is the same deal. Pandas aren't commercially available TO ME because not of the stores in my city carry Fiat.
So, I had to order from another country to be able to use it.
Make sense?
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quote:Originally posted by kraven moorehead: while everyone is bitching I gotta throw this out there...Pandas are not commercially available here in the us so how can they be used? I know this is going to piss off alot of people and that is not my intention, just the fact that it is not commercially available is my question......Even if you get one you cant drive it on the streets unless you make it emissions compliant. That would mean an engine swap.
Steve.. the problem is that you're being too narrow minded.
Just because it's not commercially available TO YOU doesn't mean it's not commercially available.
Nowhere in the rules does it say it has to be commercially available to everyone everywhere in the world.
As an example.. DDZ subs aren't commercially availble TO ME because none of the stores in my city carry DD.
So, I would have to order one from another country to be able to use it here in my car.
This is the same deal. Pandas aren't commercially available TO ME because not of the stores in my city carry Fiat.
So, I had to order from another country to be able to use it.
Make sense?
Sure it does. I wasnt trying to start shhit I was just making a comment. I know how to get a panda and I could buy five for what i paid for the xterra but I wouldnt be able to drive it on the roads here and I think all cars that compete should drive in and out of shows. I know it isnt a rule but just my thoughts. I enjoy the fact that my car is my daily driver and I can compete with it too if I desire. There are Fiat dealers in the US, in college I had an 850 spyder, you just cant get a panda. That was my point. They are not available in the US.
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All of this trouble and no T3 Drama.... I love it!!
Maybe because your product is not loud enough to even discuss about it .
Sorry for this post but after what you are posting i think this is fair. Be proffesional and stay after the line if you not have to do with anything of this.
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The cevlar or carbone cones and dustcaps are comercially available at www.czaudio.eu.
He produce for Cactus and for Ground Zero.
SonOfThor: You use the cones also, so dont get a pray that you dont like mixed woofers...
And: Judging is sometimes easy and sometimes hard. Sometimes (in your eyes) fair or sometimes unfair.
Can you remember these words?
"The dB Drag Racing Association (dBDRA) has gone to great lengths to insure that the rules for competing in dB Drag Racing are as comprehensive and unambiguous as possible. Even so, there will invariably be times when a particular application or installation will fall outside the scope of this rulebook. When those occasions arise, it is the responsibility of the head judge to make a determination as to whether the incident in question abides by the "spirit" of dB Drag Racing competition. As a competitor, it is your responsibility to understand the rules contained in this book and to abide by any decisions rendered by the head judge."
But if you want a really Hard Judging for the next time.. HERE YOU GO....
We will look at your cars at every show completly till the smallest holes. And watch out, if we find something whats not allowed. All events will last much more longer, because of looking: roofdamping (complete roof), damping in the back (open your paneels), looking under your carpets/rubber inlays, cutting holes for samples of your damping, checking if damping material is allowed, If your street cars have a guilty insurance, if the car have a guilty paper to drive on streets, if your woofer is out of one company and not custom built, we check everything till the smalles details of your cars...
Now i ask you: DO YOU WANT THIS IN THIS WAY???
I ask you: Where is the "SPIRIT" of dB Drag Racing?
Is it Pushing the rules? Is it showing others mistakes? is it to show that you are so much better than others? Thats not the spirit, its not like real sportsmen do...
and remember this words also?: # I will do my best to represent the sport of dB Drag Racing in a positive fashion. # I will conduct myself in a professional manner while participating at events. # I will always abide by the dB Drag Racing rules when competing and will do my best to insure that others abide by the rules as well.
So think about this.
See you later have a nice weekend...
Regards Mike
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Those TSNS subs are loud! Myabe not as loud as some but definately louder than most. The reason we havent heard alot about T3 this year is because of the small amount of product put out this year. I guess JD is feeling the economic crunch too. I tried to get some after Daytona and didnt get the motors till like a week before finals. I still would like to try them in my car to see how they stack up against the 99z motors.
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quote:Originally posted by kraven moorehead: Those TSNS subs are loud! Myabe not as loud as some but definately louder than most. The reason we havent heard alot about T3 this year is because of the small amount of product put out this year. I guess JD is feeling the economic crunch too. I tried to get some after Daytona and didnt get the motors till like a week before finals. I still would like to try them in my car to see how they stack up against the 99z motors.
If he feels the economic crunch it is better to stay profesional. Then he have a better change to survive. I know his product only by pictures. On the moment there are a lott of brands with good products. Selling that products is not easy at the moment. Sad but true
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quote:Originally posted by dB Drag Feldjaeger: He produce for Cactus and for Ground Zero.
SonOfThor: You use the cones also, so dont get a pray that you dont like mixed woofers...
I donīt get you??? Is this mixed? You said it, the cones are produced for Cactus! So its a product from Cactus!
Do DD produce something for Ground Zero???
Do nobody of the judges see the result of this stubid judging and rule changing? DbDrag is not Formula 1, where you get paid or spend 300 Million Dollar each year! All in all, its just a hobby! It always had "gray" areas and that is good!!!! If someone thing something that makes him louder, thats good, his advantage for this year and the hard work
You only drive long year compatitors away and no new are comming Look at the competitor numbers and you see the result of that.... The whole yeare no WR updates, each year new rules, if they come in the mid of the season.....
And than DQ someone about a lil pice of tape or a screw to much????
Thats not OK!!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by dB Drag Feldjaeger: He produce for Cactus and for Ground Zero.
SonOfThor: You use the cones also, so dont get a pray that you dont like mixed woofers...
I donīt get you??? Is this mixed? You said it, the cones are produced for Cactus! So its a product from Cactus!
Do DD produce something for Ground Zero???
Do nobody of the judges see the result of this stubid judging and rule changing? DbDrag is not Formula 1, where you get paid or spend 300 Million Dollar each year! All in all, its just a hobby! It always had "gray" areas and that is good!!!! If someone thing something that makes him louder, thats good, his advantage for this year and the hard work
You only drive long year compatitors away and no new are comming Look at the competitor numbers and you see the result of that.... The whole yeare no WR updates, each year new rules, if they come in the mid of the season.....
And than DQ someone about a lil pice of tape or a screw to much????
Thats not OK!!!!!
X5
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Does it mather if you break the rules with one or hundreds of screws? NO you are STILL breaking the rules!
Where in the rulebook ist standing that you can only use 12 screws, please tell me?
And if you have a rule question, ask in the forum, do you get an answer or how often Wayne aswered?
I saw it this weekend, we discuted about 1 hour and we can imidatly make moderner rules which also helps to get new competitors. But why tooks this always 4-5 month?????
I tell you, when it goes to WF and making good money, the 120$ for starting are also good from one wich donīt have points as from one who spend the whole year alot of money and time to get the points!
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Does it mather if you break the rules with one or hundreds of screws? NO you are STILL breaking the rules!
Where in the rulebook ist standing that you can only use 12 screws, please tell me?
And if you have a rule question, ask in the forum, do you get an answer or how often Wayne aswered?
I saw it this weekend, we discuted about 1 hour and we can imidatly make moderner rules which also helps to get new competitors. But why tooks this always 4-5 month?????
I tell you, when it goes to WF and making good money, the 120$ for starting are also good from one wich donīt have points as from one who spend the whole year alot of money and time to get the points!
X6
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quote:Originally posted by Sonofthor: I tell you, when it goes to WF and making good money, the 120$ for starting are also good from one wich donīt have points as from one who spend the whole year alot of money and time to get the points!
Well if you go to WF and get caught cheating WHY would anyone give you your monye back?
In that case only the CHEATER lose monye, and hopefully he/she has learned a leasson for next year!
quote:Originally posted by Kim: How many screws was in the panel when it left the Fiat/Seat factory? Thereīs your awnser on how many you can use!
If you add just ONE more than that you ARE cheating!
Simple enough? I think so!
Perfect answer..
@ Dominik I can remember the rulebook meeting in Krems.. And you where hold in borders by Detlef, because YOU asking in direction for grey areas to do this and that...
Wayne has a lot more to do than you think. But if your opinion is that rules are done in just a few hours... Write some. Make new rules like YOU want it. We certified Judges are doing our work in Our area. We answer every week a lot of questions from competitors, we discuss for rules changing to make it easyer and better for all.
quote:Do nobody of the judges see the result of this stubid judging and rule changing? DbDrag is not Formula 1, where you get paid or spend 300 Million Dollar each year! All in all, its just a hobby! It always had "gray" areas and that is good!!!! If someone thing something that makes him louder, thats good, his advantage for this year and the hard work [Wink]
You only drive long year compatitors away and no new are comming [Wink] Look at the competitor numbers and you see the result of that.... The whole yeare no WR updates, each year new rules, if they come in the mid of the season.....
Please take care what you are write about the dBDRA..
It is like the Formula one, here are the loudest of the World. Its like you say, its a hobby, if you dont like how it works, how the rules are... just search for a other hobby.... Wayne has a lot to do and its not as easy as you think. But if you can do it better...
Regards Mike
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