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I've had a debate with a local organization about their timer being messed up at the begining of a bassrace run. I've redlighted almost everytime I run on their meter's and I know I've found the reason why with proof.
I'm sure there are quite a few of you that run like I do. You don't watch for set you have the timing down in your head. You hear and see ready then time it out in your head and unpause right as your hearing and seeing set up on the led screen. When you do it this way you get great starts and it is easy for those of us that have that timing down.
Now when you get thrown on a meter that has the timing messed up you can see how you would redlight. You hear ready you wait a second and then unpause to find out that set still hasn't even come up. It has a 2 second pause in between ready and set unlike the 1 second pause in between ready and set on an official meter used at bassrace events.
I have video proof for you guys to watch and tell me what you think. Do me a favor though. In the first video wait until you see ready and then count out loud to yourself one one thousand, two one thousand. You may not be able to get the entire two one thousand out, but it's allmost 2 seconds until set comes up.
Now in the second video that I'm going to put up watch it at the 1:48 mark to get a good shot of the led and a good audio on the ready set go. Do the exact same thing out loud. You'll be able to get the one one thousand out but not even close to being able to getting the two one thousand out like in the first video.
Please let me know if you guys can hear the difference by counting out loud to yourself. It would definately prove why I've always redlighted on this particular meter before. I've been told that it may have something to do with the type of computer that you run your meter on. I really don't know, but I know I'm not crazy and those that bassrace frequently will know what I'm talking about here with the start delay.
Just make sure that you start counting as soon as you see ready on both vids. There can't be a delay in your counting either cause it's only about a half second difference that I'm talking about, but enough to make someone redlight consistantly.
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Zach, I have seen what you are trying to convey. For instance this past year at finals in Indy there was a extra long pause between ready and set and it took a couple of practice runs for myself to make the adjustment.
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: if they are using a slower computer then its gonna make the countdown go a little slower
Like I said I've heard before that it may have to do with the actual computer used, but I really don't know.
I do know that I've got some people that run this organization talking sh!t saying that there's nothing wrong with their timer and are saying that I suck because I keep redlighting. Well that's not the case and I have the actual proof that shows their meter is off, no doubt.
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: if they are using a slower computer then its gonna make the countdown go a little slower
Like I said I've heard before that it may have to do with the actual computer used, but I really don't know.
I do know that I've got some people that run this organization talking sh!t saying that there's nothing wrong with their timer and are saying that I suck because I keep redlighting. Well that's not the case and I have the actual proof that shows their meter is off, no doubt.
I think they know how to push your buttons and your taking the bait.
If I were you I would just relax and prove your skill level in the lanes.
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: if they are using a slower computer then its gonna make the countdown go a little slower
Like I said I've heard before that it may have to do with the actual computer used, but I really don't know.
I do know that I've got some people that run this organization talking sh!t saying that there's nothing wrong with their timer and are saying that I suck because I keep redlighting. Well that's not the case and I have the actual proof that shows their meter is off, no doubt.
I think they know how to push your buttons and your taking the bait.
If I were you I would just relax and prove your skill level in the lanes.
Your right Fred. I'm just giving them a reason to keep it up.
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this is exactly what happened to me at finals....
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I agrea 100%, like steve and fred said that at finals it did what the first video does. I have not seen a meter do it since finals tho. I was at one of gregs show and several of steves shows and they both have the same delay sams used to have. The dealy we are ALL used to.
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quote:Originally posted by AudioXtremes: If you NEED a perfect start then your doing too high a class IMO.
I don't have to have a perfect start and didn't at this past show I was at. I waited on the meter that I've said is in question and when I saw set on the led I then went. I still did a 149.9 even though I broke out into a 150 for a second and then came back down.
Also please tell some of the guys that are running in the 159.9 class that they are in too high of a class. 99% of them need a perfect start in order to do a 159.9, hence why Steve Mick broke out at finals trying to get a perfect start so he could do a 159.9 Ask Hank about his van and I guarantee that he'll tell you he needs a perfect start to get a 159.9 I'm sure these guys can start as late as I can in 149.9 and still do their numbers in 159.9 so what's the problem? There shouldn't be one, the only classes that really don't have to have perfect starts since there is usually tons of headroom are the 129.9 and 139.9 classes. In the 149.9 and 159.9 classes the start is more important in order to be able to do your 9.9 I'm sure most of the guys that run these classes will back me up on this.
But I'll just prove it to whoever need be in the lanes when I continue to run in 149.9 and do 149.9's with no issues.
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: [QUOTE] Ask Hank about his van and I guarantee that he'll tell you he needs a perfect start to get a 159.9
Wrong.
I've seen hank have a lackluster start and still easy climb to a 159.9
I'm talking about starting after the meter says "go" and still being able to make it. Can he start a few seconds late? No, but he doesn't have to be DEAD on to make it.
As for the meter thing, I think you need to suck it up and learn how their meter works. Sure, their delay may be longer than you're used to, but being the "expert" bassracer that you are, you should have no problem adapting.
I don't think I've ever redlighted during an event, but I guess that's because I'm lazy on the start.
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Steve does not need a perfect start. at finals the meter had a long pause and he did not adapt to it hence the red light.
Zack every meter and for that mater display will be a little different(LED verses a LCD screen). some faster some slower. you just have to watch and change to it.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Prodigy Mike: I have seen this happen. That is part of being good, overcomming these kinds of things. It sucks when it happens, but ajust and overcome.
Truth.
In the past I would try and watch a few others qualify and get my timing down before ever entering the lane.
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None of this other stuff really matters at all. It's not about how good someone is at all. My point that you guys are missing is that this timer is a different start then what any of the meter's I've ever bassraced on is. That is the only point that I am making. You guys agree that it is different than Sam's or other meter's so /story.
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: None of this other stuff really matters at all. It's not about how good someone is at all. My point that you guys are missing is that this timer is a different start then what any of the meter's I've ever bassraced on is. That is the only point that I am making. You guys agree that it is different than Sam's or other meter's so /story.
You wanna know what I think?
I think you're making excuses as to why you aren't winning.
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Lutz, I guarantee that your starts have to be every bit as good as mine since your not even a full db louder than I am. You know when you have to start the run by in order to do a 149.9 and so do I. I consider a perfect start before I see the word set leave the screen. If I don't start before that word disappears then no perfect score. If the word go is coming up and I am just starting the best I've done is a 149.5 and no better. If you can still do it at that point it's because you have about .6 db or so on me.
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I can start after i see set. and still do a 149.9 as long as the first number up is higher than 130 i am good! if it is less than that im in for a long 30 sec.
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: None of this other stuff really matters at all. It's not about how good someone is at all. My point that you guys are missing is that this timer is a different start then what any of the meter's I've ever bassraced on is. That is the only point that I am making. You guys agree that it is different than Sam's or other meter's so /story.
You wanna know what I think?
I think you're making excuses as to why you aren't winning.
Think what you want then. I've lost at one bassrace show since I've been in this state. It was on a legit meter, no excuses. I've never lost in the organization that I'm talknig about so you got any other reasons that aren't valid.
What if I were to beat you, would that mean that I am better than you?
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: None of this other stuff really matters at all. It's not about how good someone is at all. My point that you guys are missing is that this timer is a different start then what any of the meter's I've ever bassraced on is. That is the only point that I am making. You guys agree that it is different than Sam's or other meter's so /story.
You wanna know what I think?
I think you're making excuses as to why you aren't winning.
Think what you want then. I've lost at one bassrace show since I've been in this state. It was on a legit meter, no excuses. I've never lost in the organization that I'm talknig about so you got any other reasons that aren't valid.
What if I were to beat you, would that mean that I am better than you?
Regardless, who cares how long the delay is? You compensate for it and move on, not make a big stink about it and post it on the forum in the hopes that people will agree with you.
If you beat me then I will consider you a pretty good bassracer. It's hard to say who's "better" in bassrace because of the circumstances involved. I don't consider myself a great bassracer but I've beaten some of the best out there. A lot of it, at least for me, is luck.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Prodigy Mike: How do you know how loud I am? Are you steeling dbz from my tek at night when im sleeping?
I'm just judging by your current db drag scores is all. I know that my car is loud enough and strong enough to do more than 5 149.9's in a row with the car off. If that isn't good enough for the class then I don't honestly know what is. I honestly think that it's harder to do 139.9's since I have so much head room and one click and bust over city. In 149.9 it's much different. I wish I had a car that only did a 143 or so cause I bet 139.9 would be so much easier than it is with a 151+db car.
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