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Looks good Wayne! Thanks for taking some of the stuff that the competitors suggested into consideration.
The 4th tie breaker rule is a fair compromise of the suggested rule change and I'm very happy with the few changes myself.
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In one part it says no burned cd's but in another it says you can use custom, home made recordings. I assume home made recording would be on a burned cd. Am I reading this wrong?
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quote:Originally posted by Anotherguy: In one part it says no burned cd's but in another it says you can use custom, home made recordings. I assume home made recording would be on a burned cd. Am I reading this wrong?
Good catch. I fixed Section 4.
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i do not agree with the tie breaker ruling, not at all.
its a good idea in a way, but in another way it is not.
example....
say im my vehicle does a 144 at 35hz and use a song that will allow me to do 139 class... then i use a random song that plays in the upper 50 hz range and now im only able to bass race a 137 full out.
the idea is there to make it more of a challenge to control your stereo, but i dont think its going to work out so well...
also in previous bass race disc's there was not a good selection of songs. I think everyone will agree with me
i really do not know why this rule was put into place, its not like ties have went to 10 rounds
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That final Rule for Tie Breakders is HORRIBLE! Especially for the guys in the 49.9 and 59.9 classes. Do I even need to state why???
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Agreed, the 4th tie breaker rule does hurt the guys that can't play AS wide a variety of music at a certain level as someone else.
However, 3 ties in a row doesn't happen very often (especially in the higher classes) so I don't think it will affect anybody too badly.
Then again I guess that argument could be used against the new rule as well since there would really be no reason to change it from the old rules.
I guess this would really affect me badly since my setup doesn't have a wide frequency range, which is unfortunately the nature of my truck rather than the install itself. Its always peaked in the 40-45 hz range and had steep rolloffs no matter what I'm running.
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So now this season I have to hit up even more shows......not just 75 points?
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So this makes us to become points chasers to attend finals.
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It could be a lot worse, the 4th tie breaker rule is not a good idea. Especially for people in the 49 and 59 class, I for one will be a bit hestitant to go wide open on a random song from the cd for the fear of playing below tuning frequency and damaging my equipment.
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quote:Originally posted by nick probst: granted it'll make things interesting it'll also make for random outcomes as well.... which doesn't make any sense in a competition format.
Reminds me of stories of when there used to be a "hot" mic at finals and that lane had the edge simply because one mic was up from the other.
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quote:Originally posted by TEAM SCHWARTZ: It could be a lot worse, the 4th tie breaker rule is not a good idea. Especially for people in the 49 and 59 class, I for one will be a bit hestitant to go wide open on a random song from the cd for the fear of playing below tuning frequency and damaging my equipment.
True dat. I don't mind risking my equipment if, say, i have a bad start and need to jam it full tilt to catch up, but I'm not going to risk blowing stuff up because a selected song is 10-15 hz above or below my peak frequency.
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Allthough it's not the greatest rule change ever(I would have prefered that the rules stay the same) it is better than having to use the official cd at all multipoint events. Even though it's going to happen at quite a few multi point shows anyway. I guess the only thing we can do is sit back and say good bye to the 149.9 and 159.9 classes cause I think that quite a few of those competitors aren't going to risk thousands upon thousands of dollars of equiptment just to win a run in bassrace. Maybe Wayne will surprise us and eliminate this rule all together.
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: Allthough it's not the greatest rule change ever(I would have prefered that the rules stay the same) it is better than having to use the official cd at all multipoint events. Even though it's going to happen at quite a few multi point shows anyway. I guess the only thing we can do is sit back and say good bye to the 149.9 and 159.9 classes cause I think that quite a few of those competitors aren't going to risk thousands upon thousands of dollars of equiptment just to win a run in bassrace. Maybe Wayne will surprise us and eliminate this rule all together.
I dont think the classes will go away, I think the competitors will have to make a decision when faced with a 4th tie breaker, The possible cost of a set of recones or holding back and possibly losing the round.
Honestly I would not want to win or lose a round because a random song was better suited for one competitors system than the others.
A better idea would have been to let each competitor chose what song they would use from from the official bass race disk in the case of a 4th tie.
I plan to to return to 149.9 class this year and anticipate alot of strong competition. IMHO when involded in a competition format of any kind nothing should be random. The determining factor should be skill, not luck of the draw, not roll of dice, and not a random choice of competition material.
It seems that rule changes are implemented to even the playing field and give the newcomer a chance to win at his first show. That is all fine and dandy, but it comes at the expense of established competitors that have put the time and money into a build to compete at a certain level.
If I want luck of the draw or chance win or lose by the roll of the dice I will go to a casino and at least have a chance of a return of my investment.
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: Allthough it's not the greatest rule change ever(I would have prefered that the rules stay the same) it is better than having to use the official cd at all multipoint events. Even though it's going to happen at quite a few multi point shows anyway. I guess the only thing we can do is sit back and say good bye to the 149.9 and 159.9 classes cause I think that quite a few of those competitors aren't going to risk thousands upon thousands of dollars of equiptment just to win a run in bassrace. Maybe Wayne will surprise us and eliminate this rule all together.
I dont think the classes will go away, I think the competitors will have to make a decision when faced with a 4th tie breaker, The possible cost of a set of recones or holding back and possibly losing the round.
Honestly I would not want to win or lose a round because a random song was better suited for one competitors system than the others.
A better idea would have been to let each competitor chose what song they would use from from the official bass race disk in the case of a 4th tie.
I plan to to return to 149.9 class this year and anticipate alot of strong competition. IMHO when involded in a competition format of any kind nothing should be random. The determining factor should be skill, not luck of the draw, not roll of dice, and not a random choice of competition material.
It seems that rule changes are implemented to even the playing field and give the newcomer a chance to win at his first show. That is all fine and dandy, but it comes at the expense of established competitors that have put the time and money into a build to compete at a certain level.
If I want luck of the draw or chance win or lose by the roll of the dice I will go to a casino and at least have a chance of a return of my investment.
the rule needs to be eliminated in the 149 and 159 classes no noob competes there you may get new people in those classes but they either came from another org or have been around for a wile and just havnt competed
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Fred, there's more at risk then a set of recones when playing 15 hz below your tuning. Your risking your entire system at that point. If you lose any or all the coils in your subs your risking sending current back into the amps and possibly smoking them as well. The point is that it could get expensive and I'm sure people aren't going to blow up their equiptment just to try and survive a round to get beat the next when they can't continue. Just think how expensive it would be to replace 4+ woofers in either of these classes. That's what most competitors are running to do the scores in those classes, then you throw in the fact of a possible amp failure and it would be enough for me to say forget about it.
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: Allthough it's not the greatest rule change ever(I would have prefered that the rules stay the same) it is better than having to use the official cd at all multipoint events. Even though it's going to happen at quite a few multi point shows anyway. I guess the only thing we can do is sit back and say good bye to the 149.9 and 159.9 classes cause I think that quite a few of those competitors aren't going to risk thousands upon thousands of dollars of equiptment just to win a run in bassrace. Maybe Wayne will surprise us and eliminate this rule all together.
I dont think the classes will go away, I think the competitors will have to make a decision when faced with a 4th tie breaker, The possible cost of a set of recones or holding back and possibly losing the round.
Honestly I would not want to win or lose a round because a random song was better suited for one competitors system than the others.
A better idea would have been to let each competitor chose what song they would use from from the official bass race disk in the case of a 4th tie.
I plan to to return to 149.9 class this year and anticipate alot of strong competition. IMHO when involded in a competition format of any kind nothing should be random. The determining factor should be skill, not luck of the draw, not roll of dice, and not a random choice of competition material.
It seems that rule changes are implemented to even the playing field and give the newcomer a chance to win at his first show. That is all fine and dandy, but it comes at the expense of established competitors that have put the time and money into a build to compete at a certain level.
If I want luck of the draw or chance win or lose by the roll of the dice I will go to a casino and at least have a chance of a return of my investment.
the rule needs to be eliminated in the 149 and 159 classes no noob competes there you may get new people in those classes but they either came from another org or have been around for a wile and just havnt competed
How many ties have you seen in the 49.9 and 59.9?
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