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THIS STATEMENT HAS BEEN ADDED TO MY ORIGINAL POST. THE ADD ON STATEMENT IS BETWEEN THE LINES. The orginal post is after the lines _______________________________________________ Over the last 4 years,I have felt that db Drag Racing needed to better market itself. We needed something new and fresh. Each year I submit ideas for the next year. This year I have over 20 killer ideas to help dB Drag Racing, Auto Show Professionals, competitors and retailers. These ideas are designed to try to generate excitement which I hope generates a bigger base of first time comnpetitors.
This year was different for me. There were many changes inmy life and inmy work. One of the changes was being an independant contractor for auto show professionals. I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR ALL THE CHANGES THIS YEAR.
1) I have no intention of satarting my own SPL league. I have been in contact with db Drag Racing in regards to some of my ideas. Some ideas I have tested on my own.
2)I have no intention of stealing anybodys ideas. Sometimes people have similar thoughts. I spent a great deal of research on the interent and found NO SIMILAR ideas to the ones I am suggesting.
3) I am constanstantly thinking of new ideas ALL THE TIME.
4) I am not completely familair with mini street except some retailers will run mini street in a way to introduce competitors to db drag racing. I believe thier fear is that the "new guy" will get stomped by the "big guy". In the past I hvae run mini street in a similar fashion.
5) My beta tests (I stress BETA tests) did not affect the db drag racing portion of any event. It was a seperate. Thank You ________________________________________________ Orininal Posts
Basically: for the last 8 weeks SPLMAX has been BETA TESTING a new format to be presented to dB Drag Racing world called BASS RACE . There is a lot of development being done but here is what we got in a "nutshell"
The Bass Race format is simple.
• Competitors score is a 30 second average of bass music (no burned cds, MP3's, test tones or burps)
• Competitors compete “head to head” to see who has the loudest car stereo
The Bass Race competition begins when a competitor qualifies his or her vehicle. To qualify, a TERM LAB SPL sensor is placed on the competitors passenger side windshield. The competitor plays his or her stereo system for 30 seconds. He or she is given a SPL score. This score places him or her in 1 of 6 classes. The class is determined strictly on the score. Classes are NOT determined by equipment, vehicle, competitor status, installation or manufacturer. The classes are:
119.9 dB - Under (30 second average SPL) 5% of the competition
120 dB - 129.9 d B (30 second average SPL) 55% of the competition
130 dB - 139.9 dB (30 second average SPL) 30% of the competition
140 dB - 149.9 dB (30 second average SPL) 7% of the competition
150 dB - 159.9 dB (30 second average SPL) 2% of the competition
160 dB - UP (30 second average SPL) 1% of the competition
Now the fun begins. After all the competitors do their 1 qualifying round they are ALL RANDOMLY placed in a bracket. The brackets determine who will compete against each other. They compete nose to nose against other competitors with very similar scores. Winners advance in the BRACKETS to the finals and loser compete in the loser brackets to determine 3rd place.
Please note A competitor once placed into a class, his or her average SPL score CANNOT exceed the class the maximum score for the class. Example - A competitor hitting a 132.0 db while in the 120 -129.9 Db class during eliminations would result in a final losing score of ZERO.
Other items are also strictly FORBIDDEN
FORBIDDENS - any of the following items will result in the competitors losing score being recorded as a ZERO
“RED LIGHT” - starting the stereo before 30 second clock begun
“OVER REV” - revving the motor in excessive of 2000 RPMs
“OVER SHOT”- exceeding the class score for you final average score in any run
“VENTING”- Opening a door, trunk or hatch before the 30 second time limit has expired
“RED SCORE” - playing a bass note in excess of 80hz to attain the maximum average SPL score.
“TEST TONES” - competitor using test tones
REALLY COOL Term Lab scoring will be used to give the competitor all the data he needs to win. After each winning run the competitor will receive a computerized printout of the run. On the print out will be the following data
• Competitors Name • Reaction time (how fast he started playing his stereo after the 30 second clock began) • peak resonant frequency of the run • 0-10 second average SPL score •High spl of the run •Low spl of the run • final average spl score • The other guys (competitors) data also
FAQ
REQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
Q. Why 30 second average?
A. It is our opinion that 30 second average represents a typical stereo system playing typical music.
Q. Can I sit in my vehicle during the event
A. Yes. You also must wear protective ear gear for your ears.
Q. Can I run my motor during the event.
A. Yes you can run your motor during the event. You cannot exceed 2000 rpms. Please note in case of a tie, you will not be allowed to run your motor during the tie breaker round.
Q. I have 2 woofers and hit a 129.4 and the other guy had 4 woofers and hit 129.6 - that doesn’t seem fair?
A. It not the vehicle nor the equipment, it is what you do with it that determines the winner. Its all in the score. There will be times when less equipment will beat more equipment. There will also be times when more equipment beats less equipment.
Q. I have a trunk car, . Why do I have to compete against a Hatchback?
The competition is based on similar scores. There will be times when a trunk car will beat a hatchback and there will be times when a hatchback will beat a trunk.
Q Why would anyone chose this format over any other existing format for doing an SPL show?
A) Less classes - more competition Very simple format for everyone involved Almost any vehicle stereo system can be competitive Manufacturer friendly Retailer friendly Spectator friendly - IT IS THE MOST ENJOYABLE FORMAT TO WATCH Competitor friendly - it is very active format - requires a full 30 seconds of concentration. Competitors receive a guarantee of 3 runs or heats at each event.
Q My name is DJ Mondo Bass and I record my own music. Can I use my own music.
A) yes you can AS LONG AS IT is commercially available. Example - lets say you produce Cd’s. The cd must Be available either online or at a retail store. It must be commercially packaged. You cannot use any music that has not been commercially prepared which would include but not limited to demo music, re mix.
over the last several test competitons: we have had 3 ties in the finals during eliminations one competitor played celine dione and lost? some competitors stayed in the cars some got out top score so far is a 146.9 set at NOPI team balman has won 3 times so far
reaction time seems to be a big factor understanding average is another big factor
I seen guys with slow reation time have to hustle (out horsepower) to try to catch up
120 To 129.9 Db ---------------
1. 129.0 R Moreno 127.2 127.2 127.7 129.0 2. 128.0 A Rayle 125.0 126.0 128.0 3. 127.2 J Grose 127.2 127.2 4. 126.0 J Dean 126.0 126.0 5. 125.5 B Stahl 125.5 6. 129.7 J Roberts
130 To 139.9 Db ---------------
1. 139.0 D Downey 138.8 139.0 136.3 138.5 2. 138.8 R Thomas 132.2 138.8 137.4 3. 137.3 J Thomson 131.5 137.3 4. 137.6 C Norris 137.6 133.7 5. 137.7 M Bootz 137.7 6. 137.6 B Webber 137.6 7. 134.6 C Rizner 134.6 8. 131.5 M Clark 131.5
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i was wondering what is was all about sounds good to me ...
i like the idea of 30 second runs ... seems to me like street racers still fast but can also run on the road. rather then a top fuel dragster only for the track.
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: Why is this ok and mini-street isn't?
Mini street is just another class for dB Drag Racing. We are testing another format.
Why can you test another format at db drag events when other promoters can't use a format(mini-street) that has been proven to work?
I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I agree 100% that new competitors need a place to play. Here in the midwest, mini-street worked great and drew lots of cars, just as bass racing is doing for you guys. I just don't see why you guys can have bass racing, and we can't have mini-street.
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quote:Originally posted by SPLMAX - Sam: Interesting results so far
over the last several test competitons: we have had 3 ties in the finals during eliminations one competitor played celine dione and lost? some competitors stayed in the cars some got out top score so far is a 146.9 set at NOPI team balman has won 3 times so far
reaction time seems to be a big factor understanding average is another big factor
I seen guys with slow reation time have to hustle (out horsepower) to try to catch up
120 To 129.9 Db ---------------
1. 129.0 R Moreno 127.2 127.2 127.7 129.0 2. 128.0 A Rayle 125.0 126.0 128.0 3. 127.2 J Grose 127.2 127.2 4. 126.0 J Dean 126.0 126.0 5. 125.5 B Stahl 125.5 6. 129.7 J Roberts
130 To 139.9 Db ---------------
1. 139.0 D Downey 138.8 139.0 136.3 138.5 2. 138.8 R Thomas 132.2 138.8 137.4 3. 137.3 J Thomson 131.5 137.3 4. 137.6 C Norris 137.6 133.7 5. 137.7 M Bootz 137.7 6. 137.6 B Webber 137.6 7. 134.6 C Rizner 134.6 8. 131.5 M Clark 131.5
anybody else see anything interesting?
I see one thing that might catch my eye....if the guy in 4th named C Norris is Chris Norris and he is using the same van he kicks ass with in his regular class then that score shows something.
quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: Why is this ok and mini-street isn't?
Mini street is just another class for dB Drag Racing. We are testing another format.
I see that the format uses bracket style eliminations and is a head-to-head format. This is no different than mini-street classes according to Wayne's determination at the beginning of this year. We (retailers who loved mini-street) were told that mini street classes confused competitors and that Wayne only wanted to have standard db drag classes at sanctioned events.
Rules should be adhered to by all.
BTW, I really like the format. Good luck with it.
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Concept Competitors “dial in” their score and are placed in an “SPL Bracket”. The competitor makes 2 “passes” and the competitor with closest to their total bracket wins. If the competitor “breaks out”, he/she is automatically eliminated from the contest.
Classification There are no power or woofer classes. There are no divisions. Each competitor must qualify in to or choose a “dial in” before the entering the contest. Brackets will be:
125.9 135.9 145.9 155.9
Regular, Double Point or Regional Event If the competitor does not know what their “dial in” is or what bracket to compete in he or she will be randomly assigned a starting position to be placed in a qualification run. The competitor will be allowed to make ONE pass to determine his or her “dial in”. The competitor may also choose a bracket to be placed in without making this qualifying run. Once the competitor is placed in a bracket or has chosen a “dial in” time, he/she may not move to a higher or lower bracket unless that competitor reenters the contest.
World Finals A competitor may ONLY compete in the bracket that they qualified in. If a competitor accrues enough points to enter multiple brackets at World Finals, the bracket that the competitor has accrued the most points in will be the bracket that he/she is placed in. There will be no qualification runs performed at World Finals.
ONLY music tracks from the Official USACi Outlaw SPL disk will be played during a bracket run. No sine sweeps or tone generators will be allowed. The competitor has 30 seconds to achieve a score as close to their “breakout” as possible.
A competitor may choose to reenter the bracket again to better his or her position in that bracket. This is done by reregistering and obtaining a new score sheet. (Here’s a thought, If the competitor chooses to reenter the bracket, all previous scores at that event in that bracket will be forfeited. This will prevent a person from possibly winning the first 3 places in their class)
Tie Breaker If the average of 2 or more competitor’s runs is the same, the competitor who came closest to their “dial in” time on either run wins. If a tie still exists, the competitors will be allowed an additional run to break the tie. If a tie still exists at this point, the competitors will use “Flashdance” as the software track and whoever comes closest to their “dial in” at that point is declared the winner. If there is still a tie, both competitors are executed and the person who is in 3rd place wins (just seeing if you read this far)
Tim!
Sam, this is an old e-mail from Tim Goudy about the new 2005 USACI SPL format. We announced this to limited person several week back and I was just curious how you came up with the near identical idea after we announced ours. Borrowing other people’s ideas, if in fact you did, and passing them off as your own is both unethical and immoral. I have contacted those who were in the know on this format development and it will not take long to put together the documents to show that this ideas was in development long before you started your "testing". We have documentation showing this idea has been in development for over 8 months and was announced to limited persons involved with USACI over four months ago. USACI has no intention of going "HEAD TO HEAD" as you have put in your format but other than that the similarities are too many to ignore.
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I was just notified of this post by multiple people and Ralph is correct, the similarities are very close to USACi’s new format. I have been working on the new format since last year and only recently made written information available to a very limited number of people in the past 6 months. It’s kinda funny/ironic that this was released on Wayne’s forum since the TermLab is one of the pieces of the puzzle that I considered key in making this format a success since we needed an ultra consistent meter to make this format work and the agreement between Wayne and USACi was just finalized earlier in the year. I was pushing Ralph hard to complete the deal with Wayne earlier in the year for this very reason. You weren’t on my original distribution so I can only assume that someone told you about this format and you filled in the blanks on information I intentionally left out. Since you are a contractor to AutoShowPros, I appreciate you taking time out of your day to “break the news” to the SPL competitors early but I would have preferred that the complete set of rules, classes, etc could have been packaged as one press release and released from one source at the same time. That would prevent confusion and allowed one person (or group of people) to answer any questions that arise. A not quite complete, set of rules, classes, etc will be available in the near future to interested SPL competitors on the USACi web site soon to hopefully prevent a lot of questions.
Again, thanks for taking the time to author this post and generate interest within the SPL community. It proves my idea is sound and will work. I would also be interested in your test results because one of the portions of the document that I circulated that I intentionally left out is what to specifically do in a tie breaker situation. It's been taken care of in the latest revision.
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LOL, I had it first! What a bunch of typical USACi BS. The "agreement" between Drag and USACi was the worst thing that could have happened. The shows have been dis-organized and Drag competitors get shuffled to the side or treated as an afterthought at a "combined" show ran by USAC officials.
Thoughts on the "new" format. Works good now but anyone with a meter or knows someone with one will run these classes just like they do with the regular ones. They will put "team" cars in those classes. Many of the guys at the top in Drag are greedy hogs and feel they need to win EVERYTHING. So it won't matter if there is no finals, points, trophies, etc.
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its a great format. plus for most db drag vetrens it is hard to compete in BassRace cause there cars are tuned too high. which gives the street bangers a chance to win something.
I think this is a great idea. Next year I was to run a street bangger system so that i can have a shot at this cool new format. keep up the good work SAM.
quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFx: its a great format. plus for most db drag vetrens it is hard to compete in BassRace cause there cars are tuned too high. which gives the street bangers a chance to win something.
I think this is a great idea. Next year I was to run a street bangger system so that i can have a shot at this cool new format. keep up the good work SAM.
You should hear our street max 3-4 van play music
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quote:Originally posted by Roland Deschain: LOL, I had it first! What a bunch of typical USACi BS. The "agreement" between Drag and USACi was the worst thing that could have happened. The shows have been dis-organized and Drag competitors get shuffled to the side or treated as an afterthought at a "combined" show ran by USAC officials.
Thoughts on the "new" format. Works good now but anyone with a meter or knows someone with one will run these classes just like they do with the regular ones. They will put "team" cars in those classes. Many of the guys at the top in Drag are greedy hogs and feel they need to win EVERYTHING. So it won't matter if there is no finals, points, trophies, etc.
The USACI bashing section is listed under "USACI Bashing 101". Please put your BS there as well.
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Over the last 4 years,I have felt that db Drag Racing needed to better market itself. We needed something new and fresh. Each year I submit ideas for the next year. This year I have over 20 killer ideas to help dB Drag Racing, Auto Show Professionals, competitors and retailers. These ideas are designed to try to generate excitement which I hope generates a bigger base of first time comnpetitors.
This year was different for me. There were many changes inmy life and inmy work. One of the changes was being an independant contractor for auto show professionals. I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR ALL THE CHANGES THIS YEAR.
1) I have no intention of satarting my own SPL league. I have been in contact with db Drag Racing in regards to some of my ideas. Some ideas I have tested on my own.
2)I have no intention of stealing anybodys ideas. Sometimes people have similar thoughts. I spent a great deal of research on the interent and found NO SIMILAR ideas to the ones I am suggesting.
3) I am constanstantly thinking of new ideas ALL THE TIME.
4) I am not completely familair with mini street except some retailers will run mini street in a way to introduce competitors to db drag racing. I believe thier fear is that the "new guy" will get stomped by the "big guy". In the past I hvae run mini street in a similar fashion.
5) My beta tests (I stress BETA tests) did not affect the db drag racing portion of any event. It was a seperate. Thank You ________________________________________________
quote:Originally posted by Roland Deschain: Thoughts on the "new" format. Works good now but anyone with a meter or knows someone with one will run these classes just like they do with the regular ones. They will put "team" cars in those classes. Many of the guys at the top in Drag are greedy hogs and feel they need to win EVERYTHING. So it won't matter if there is no finals, points, trophies, etc.
I can't think of anyway to exploit this format. It requires so much skill on the competitors part. Thats the element we've been missing. It is very hard to win at BassRace. Even for a seasoned veteran. It doesn't matter if you have a 100,000.00 sponsorship or a 1,500.00 home built system.
-------------------- David "Quadzilla" McLean Posts: 3359 | From: Jacksonville, FL USA | Registered: Sep 1999
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Hmmm, Sam contacted me via cell phone a while ago regarding his new ideas and this format. He even shared his notes etc with team Livewire prior to running it the first time. I think it's a great format and I haven't heard anyone say otherwise. It definetly gets people involved the same way DB Drag used to.
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i'm new here, so i really dont care what anyone has to say about my views. they are mine whether anyone likes them or not.
i just started competing this year. 3 comps ago to be exact. and i love the bassrace format. i was scared to go to my first comp, because my car is a daily driver. and i knew i couldnt hang with the big boys.
i was wrong.
my first comp, i failed miserably. but i learned from what happened, and in my second comp, i had almost a 10db increase in both spl and bassrace. i qaulified 6th and 2nd respectively.
my third comp, i increased 15.db in spl, and 2.5db in bassrace. and again qaulified in both and made it to the semi finals in both.
i like the format. its more "REAL WORLD" than spl is. no one goes to the car wash and brags about thier system then does a 4 second burp.
my system, and most peoples, is built to LISTEN TO MUSIC ON A DAILY BASIS, bassrace, competes, the same way you listen to it when driving.
it pits the big guys against the little guys and the big guys dont necessarily win.
also, the crowds are a little bigger than they are with just spl. its more exciting to watch.
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quote:Originally posted by pornstar: i like the format. its more "REAL WORLD" than spl is. no one goes to the car wash and brags about thier system then does a 4 second burp.
my system, and most peoples, is built to LISTEN TO MUSIC ON A DAILY BASIS, bassrace, competes, the same way you listen to it when driving.
it pits the big guys against the little guys and the big guys dont necessarily win.
also, the crowds are a little bigger than they are with just spl. its more exciting to watch.
anyway, i think its a great format.
Thanks for the positive feedback. Keep up the good work.
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