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Do you all think the 5'6 2 people rule should be replaced with a more concrete, and measureable rule?
I think the rule should state allowable dimensions for the seating posistions, to get rid of the HUGE grey area here. I saw some cars at finals that were a JOKE
Heres my take...
Door panels to console 14" minimum floor to ceiling head posistion 33" minimum Sub enclosure to foot location 33" minimum Knee to chin measurement 12" minimum
All measurements take in a straight line(IE no distorted measurements by going over/around buildups
I think this is the MOST important rule, if we don't get some good way to keep vehicle sizes in check, it will get crazy small in these vehicles(If you could still call them that ) What do you all think?
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instead of having people sit inside of veichles what about a object, like a ball or maye a big stuffed animal. This way it could be quick. I know there is plenty of room in some cars its just getting in it due to the roof build downs and/or floor build ups. Just an idea that was suggested to me.....
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Only problem is, how would you really know for sure if your vehicle was legal, unless EVERYBODY had one of these dummys? Everybody has a tape measure, and cant argue about the measurements.
Also You could cram the dummy into places a person couldn't fit, they won't say "OUCH"
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I think this is a great idea. You are correct, I also saw many extremes at the world finals that pushed the limits of this rule. There should be a measurable guide line that everyone can use, including judges.
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We brought this up last year. We figured a CONCRETE way to do it.
Make plans for a wooden dummy available on the net. This dummy would have a head, body, and legs (arms optional). Put joints on the legs at the knees and waist. Put a joint between the head and body. Give them a minimum and maximum range of travel in each direction.
If you can't fit it in the vehicle and through the door, you don't qualify. Simple. And everyone on here had the ability to make one of these, a saw, some screws, a pencil, some nuts & bolts and some wood. Very easy. If Wayne wants to give it the go ahead, I'll be happy to prototype one for everyone to check out.
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quote:Originally posted by SweetSoundsAudio: We brought this up last year. We figured a CONCRETE way to do it.
Make plans for a wooden dummy available on the net. This dummy would have a head, body, and legs (arms optional). Put joints on the legs at the knees and waist. Put a joint between the head and body. Give them a minimum and maximum range of travel in each direction.
If you can't fit it in the vehicle and through the door, you don't qualify. Simple. And everyone on here had the ability to make one of these, a saw, some screws, a pencil, some nuts & bolts and some wood. Very easy. If Wayne wants to give it the go ahead, I'll be happy to prototype one for everyone to check out.
That would be cool, but I think if people built it themselves, they could fudge, and say they misread, etc... Thats why I like the tape measure, It doesn't lie, usually.
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Extreme, it is called that for a reason, RIGHT? I say we leave it as is, or maybe we do a new kind of test, (MIC STAND TEST)
I'm sure wayne would be willing to make some more money by having mic stands built, everyone needs them any way. If wayne had an official mic stand, it would make finals easier, and especially at local shows. Most extreme vehicles carry thier own mic stands any ways, I think it would be a good Idea.
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I believe ea1 has somthing. You need a guid line to go by. True a 5'6" guy will fit in there if he is a little thin. But what about the other guy he may be retainging water or one guy has a long torsoe and the other long legs. Some strieght measurements would be good. But if you have hieght(floor to ceiling) and width(inside of door to the appropeate side of consloe i.e left door to most left side of consloe) and speaker box to dash(as far back as a person could sit to the closest part of dash by the feet) after foot well insert. You really wouldn't need chin to knee. But that is my thoughts
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I will say this once again......Take it from someone who competes in extreme.....We set the rule. 5'6, two people, side by side. When my team and I built our car, it was made to be EXACTLY to those rules....we may be one of theose people you considered to be "jokes" at finals. But believe me, I have someone on my team who is 5'6. our car does look REALLY small on the inside. But it is exact. 5'6 gets you 12.5" on the pass. side and 13" on the dr. side, knees to chin. What you guys really need to do is take a look at a car and see just how small this actually looks.....second, realize that in all cases smaller is NOT BETTER. In extreme 3-4, it is good....in extreme 1-2, it may almost be a must for some people......I think that once you take a look at the cars that are winning in these classes, and see that not all of them are built that small....in other words, it is not benificial to always go as small as you can...you may decide that since it is not the idea on "the smaller it is, the louder it is" but instead that the whole system works together (box and cabin) you can see that this is not a smart way to try to cheat anyways......We have more important rules to worry about than going over things we have already established. Let's make db drag go forward into new things, not argue over old news.
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The rules as they stand are fine with me. I built my car up during the season last year. I went to show after show 1 mod at a time in order to see how far I could go. World finals judges knew my car and I had no problems. I do agree that some cars at 2000wf were in my oppinion (illegal). i STILL fit comfortably in my 12 cuft interior. This is one of the aspects of the sport that I enjoy... it's called being innovative.
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Those of you who are saying that you think you might be the people that are seen as being at fault maybe are and maybe aren't, but if you can honestly fit 2 5'6" tall people in the cabin according to the rules then you are fine. I am particularly in disgusted in cars such as Chris Norris'. His car has absolutely no chance of fitting two people in it period. He should not be allowed to compete with the vehicle in that manner. His is the only one I have seen personally but I am sure there are others out there. It seems that everyone is too scared to say, " lets put 2 people in there to check to make sure he conforms to the rules." Actually I would like to know, how many of you have seen a string test done or someone put 2 people in a car to see if they actually fit. We need to enforce our rules in order to survive of this sport will become a joke.
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TO BRIAN HAGENSIEICER,(AUDIOPHILE12) JUST TO GIVE YOU A LTTLE FOOD FOR YOUR BRAIN, FIST OFF I COMPETE IN THE EXTREM CLASS, AND WHAT CLASS DO YOU COMPETE IN, THATS WHAT I THOUGHT, MAYBE I SHOULD BUILD A CAR FOR YOUR CLASS SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT..... ANYWAYS MY VAN IS VERY LEGAL, ITS AN EXTREM VEHICLE, WE PUSH THE RULES TO THE EXTREM TO GET EVERY DB OUT OF THEM THAT WE CAN.. SO IN VOICING YOU OPPION IM VOICING MY THIS IS NOT A BITCH SESION THES ARE THE FACTS, WHEN I FIRST BROUGHT OUT MY (VAN) AT THE COLUMBUS CAR AUDIO SHOWS TRIPLE POINT EVENT I HAD BRANTLY INSPECT MY VAN IT DIDNT MEET THE RULES, SO AT THE SHOW I MODIFIED IT SO IT WOULD , SENCE THEN I HAVE DONT NO MODIFING TO IT SENCE THEN, WELL I PAINTED IT, BUT ANYWAYS YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WHATS GOING ON IN YOUR CLASS AND NOT MINE WE ARE AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL, SO STEP TO THE PLATE SEE IF YOU CAN HANG, IT ONLY TOOK ME 3 YEARS TO BECOME A WORLD CHAMP....ALOT OF HARD WORK AND SWEET AND TEARS SO DONT KNOCK IF YOU CANT ROCK.............
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Back to the top with this one. Hope Wayne sees it.
My BIGGEST problem with saying that 2 5'6" people have to fit is not enforcable. I can get 2 5'6" people to fit in almost ANY spot, if the people are flexible.
My point with this post is, IF you are going to limit interior sizes, you need to give some dimensions that are allowable.
It isn't fair that an interpretation of "comfortably" should mean a full DB to somebody. The people that will win, will ALWAYS be the ones that break the rules due to loose wording, and be willing to argue about it when somebody says something.
This sport is about who can get thier stereo the loudest within the rules. When the rules dont have set boundaries for things, it is useless to even have the rules.
quote:Originally posted by ea1: Back to the top with this one. Hope Wayne sees it.
My BIGGEST problem with saying that 2 5'6" people have to fit is not enforcable. I can get 2 5'6" people to fit in almost ANY spot, if the people are flexible.
My point with this post is, IF you are going to limit interior sizes, you need to give some dimensions that are allowable.
It isn't fair that an interpretation of "comfortably" should mean a full DB to somebody. The people that will win, will ALWAYS be the ones that break the rules due to loose wording, and be willing to argue about it when somebody says something.
This sport is about who can get thier stereo the loudest within the rules. When the rules dont have set boundaries for things, it is useless to even have the rules.
Very well said. Thanks for pointing that out. Please take not of this Wayne.
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