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I have a rule question, but at the IASCA forum there isn't anybody answering.
I have someone that is interested to buy my AP-SPL battery, but it is a multicell battery like the Cactus Sounds battery, only mine has internally 7 12V cells. Now is the question: Are the multicell batteries like the DD battery (78 x 2V) or my AP-SPL 100 battery (7 x 12V) allowed in Stock or Stock pro?
I'm doubting it because of this paragraph in the rulebook:
Batteries must be standard 12 volt batteries; variations of individual or multiple battery cells equaling 12 volts are not allowed (e.g. two 6 volt batteries connected in series or six two volt batteries connected the same way). Each individual battery will be counted as an individual battery, no matter what the voltage.
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quote:Originally posted by LuckyT: they are not allowed
Thank you for your input.
How can I get in contact with one of the US headjudges, because no one is replying on the IASCA forum or even on my mail that I send to the organisation
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quote:Originally posted by LuckyT: send mail to moe@isaca.com or chris@iasca.com
Thanks!
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Dieter, Darren is a certified IdBL judge, he does not allow UK competitors to run multi cell batteries.
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quote:Originally posted by dbWarrior: BTW. what problem you had faced because of this multi cell battery rule ?
I was thinking why not this same thing can be work at dbdrag...
they should have disallowed it back in 2005 now its to late , to many people have bought a multicel battery
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: Dieter, Darren is a certified IdBL judge, he does not allow UK competitors to run multi cell batteries.
Then again, this is what Moe told me
In answer to your question; the majority of batteries for automotive and/or audio applications are made up of multiple cells. The difference is that the manufacturer has installed these multiple cells in one case at the manufacturing level; in regards to our rules, we view a single “battery” as that description. If a competitor constructs a “battery” on their own in their own casing, using multiples of smaller cells, we do not consider that as a standard automotive battery.
Multicell batteries are allowed in Stock and Stock Pro classes as long as the casing is designed and built by the manufacturer and the cells are inserted into that casing and properly closed off (sealed, rivets, etc.), and they fit all other rules for batteries (size, position, etc.) in the IASCA rule book. If the AP-SPL, Cactus and DD batteries fit within this criteria, they are allowed in competition. Homemade casings with multiple cells are not allowed, so if a competitor is using Cactus battery cells in their own casing, that would not be allowed.
I hope this helps answer your question; if you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me at any time, I am more than happy to help in any way I can.
All the best,
Moe Sabourin,
Director,
IASCA Worldwide Inc.,
2129 South Ridgewood Ave.,
South Daytona, FL., 32119.
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These batteries are allowed in Stock and Stock Pro classes, depending on size. If the bank of batteries are in the same case, are commercially available, and are within the size limit than they are legal.
Jereme
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quote:Originally posted by AreYouExtreme1: These batteries are allowed in Stock and Stock Pro classes, depending on size. If the bank of batteries are in the same case, are commercially available, and are within the size limit than they are legal.
Jereme
Sorry Jereme but you would be incorrect with your above statement.
In the rules it states,
“Batteries must be standard 12 volt batteries” – None of the batteries in question are standard 12 volt batteries.
“Variations of individual or multiple battery cells equaling 12 volts are not allowed” – The batteries also break this part of the rules as well. The DD battery is lots of 1.5V batteries and the Cactus and the AP-SPL is multiple 12 volt batteries.
Plain and clear I think.
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quote:Originally posted by lilmaniac2: then why did the director say otherwise?
I have spoken with Moe and he was on the understanding that all 3 batteries are made in a factory by battery manufacturers, now we all know this is not true dont we.
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Isn't the DD battery built by Batcap (wouldnt they be considered a battery manufacturer?) If that IS that case then that's like saying Interstate batteries and all those others that slap different stickers on them and sell them are not legal?also....(Hawker/Stinger/Odyssey)
quote:Originally posted by AreYouExtreme1: These batteries are allowed in Stock and Stock Pro classes, depending on size. If the bank of batteries are in the same case, are commercially available, and are within the size limit than they are legal.
Jereme
Sorry Jereme but you would be incorrect with your above statement.
In the rules it states,
“Batteries must be standard 12 volt batteries” – None of the batteries in question are standard 12 volt batteries.
“Variations of individual or multiple battery cells equaling 12 volts are not allowed” – The batteries also break this part of the rules as well. The DD battery is lots of 1.5V batteries and the Cactus and the AP-SPL is multiple 12 volt batteries.
Plain and clear I think.
No, I am correct.
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