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From what I have been told, IASCA will be honoring their contract with AudioControl, and continuing to support a mic that supports the sanctioning body.
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You want my 2 cents worth, IASCA needs to throw away those FOCKING Audio controls 5 people hitting 172 come on, get real !!! There is no way, IASCA needs to move on just like USACI, NSPL and so on, you just might start getting a bigger turn out, something to be thought of you know, you didnt have to many BIG SPLers there ! And on top of that I just got the new Car Audio, and to notice not 1 shot of the SPL competition, now that blows !
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IASCA has a signed contract with Audio Control. They are going to honor their contract. I know, something rare these days in the industry, but AudioControl sponsors IASCA events and offers financial support, dbDrag/Termpro doesn't sponsor IASCA events.
This is not to say that one day down the road the change may happen - but as long as there's a contract with AC, don't expect it.
As for coverage (or lack thereof) - bear in mind the articles aren't written by IASCA and there is no control by IASCA on what ends up in print in editorial content. You want to yell at someone about a lack of coverage, yell at the CA&E editors.
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quote:Originally posted by *Krisa*: IASCA has a signed contract with Audio Control. They are going to honor their contract. I know, something rare these days in the industry, but AudioControl sponsors IASCA events and offers financial support, dbDrag/Termpro doesn't sponsor IASCA events.
This is not to say that one day down the road the change may happen - but as long as there's a contract with AC, don't expect it.
As for coverage (or lack thereof) - bear in mind the articles aren't written by IASCA and there is no control by IASCA on what ends up in print in editorial content. You want to yell at someone about a lack of coverage, yell at the CA&E editors.
Hold up wait a min. Im not yelling at anyone ! I was stating a fact, you would know if I was yelling, you would have deleted this post already j/k I was just really bumbed at the NO coverage at all for us ! And thats is fine, that you have a contract with Audio Control, Im not trying to get you to switch by any means but for the future you might want to check the equipment out before and after ! Like I said 5 people hitting a 172 is very very strange ! Like there was a brick wall, you know what Im saying, just prevent it for the up and comming years, and so what would it hurt to have one of Waynes meters just for the SPL part of the show, sence CA&E doesnt care for us, Audio Control shouldnt mind eather !
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Chris, I know you're not yelling. I know AC's are weird. Did you forget who was running the mic when you hit that wonky 180 at SVR II? I haven't, to this day, come up with any logical explaination as to why, I know it wasn't a cord pinch, I know nothing was changed on sensitivity settings (and I also know on the do-over you hit a solid 172.)
But I also know that it was a fresh outta the box meter at finals, and trust the integrity of the IDBL head finals judge with my life (hell I married the guy).
But I know that IASCA's not changing meters any time soon.
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Chris did a great job of officiating the IdBL portion of finals... I've never questioned his honor... I question the AC mics...
So IASCA has entered into some contract with Audiocontrol... super... It’s not the company I have problems with, it’s the inconsistency of their product that irks me... I say let IASCA stay with Audiocontrol, just convey to them that their product is flawed...
Seeing as how Wayne Harris raised the bar with the introduction of a better metering system... Audiocontrol needs a (much anticipated) rebuttal.
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quote:Originally posted by *Krisa*: Chris, I know you're not yelling. I know AC's are weird. Did you forget who was running the mic when you hit that wonky 180 at SVR II? I haven't, to this day, come up with any logical explaination as to why, I know it wasn't a cord pinch, I know nothing was changed on sensitivity settings (and I also know on the do-over you hit a solid 172.)
But I also know that it was a fresh outta the box meter at finals, and trust the integrity of the IDBL head finals judge with my life (hell I married the guy).
But I know that IASCA's not changing meters any time soon.
Understood ! Chris is a great guy, I have never ever had a beef with anyone, I just want to shead some light on the mic issue, you dont have to change to waynes metering, you just need to change the fact that we are surpress the mics and they are topped out and something needs to be done about it, its only going to discurage the heavy hitters when we are all doing 172-172.2 thats all Im saying, the then need to be a official Audio control goooooooo rueeeeeee there to calibrate there systems durring the finals !
Chris
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Trust me, I like the Termlab too, but Audiocontrol pumps monetary support into IASCA, and I don't see Wayne giving IASCA money to sponsor events any time soon, do you?
Additionally - is there an RTA portion/capability within the new Termlab? (Honestly I dunno, but that's still a part of IASCA testing for SQ in some classes, and the dual functionality of the AC meter is a plus.) Other downsides, how tight that meter is - right now I'm having a hard enough time keeping my fellow SQ weenies convinced that SPL is an important part of having an all-around good SQ car - and the cap's only at 135 at the dash. They dropped it entirely in ultimate. Frankly it's a whole other discussion, but if everyone's going to lose 6-10 db off the bat (I am clear, I do upper 140s from the trunk, so I'll still cap even if a Termlab's used) there's going to be an uproar from the guys who can barely tap 135 now.
That, and there's a contractual obligation (something I thought other organizations had but hey, maybe when I have a little more time I can pull those old press releases up). If Paul does anything, he sticks to his guns on things like that.
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At SBN, MECA had serious issues with their linear X. I think Shaker and the Rileys especially "freaked out" the linear X.
It is very refreshing to see MECA switch to the new termlab this year.
It is a shame that IASCA is sticking with the sometimes mysterious AudioControl. Sponsor money is no reason to use inferior equipment. IASCA should demand AudioControl to step up their meter.
As you can tell, I am a fan of the new termlab. It is consistant and FAIR!
Krisa, Wayne's next update to the termlab is the RTA portion of the meter. The RTA is only going to be available on the termlab.net, but it may get added as an option to the termlab.usb
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It's just funny to me. As proprietary as the organizations seem to be, and don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see some sort of cooperation - but with competition dying people are eager to see one of the few remaining supporters of events kicked to the curb.
Inferior's a harsh term Andrew. Different yes, at higher levels, less accurate? Even I'll concur.
But there's a lot to be said for loyalty and support - and you guys can't have it both ways. You want more manufacturer involvement and support, but at the same time are advocating dumping it because their product isn't to your liking.
Add to that the same reason a lot of people were pissed last year about the swap to the new Termlab. Thousands of dollars are invested in a piece of equipment. We're having problems keeping retailers holding shows. So lets make them spend another couple grand on a new meter, when for all intents and purposes, unless there are people hitting 170+ at local events (and I have YET to see this outside multi-pointers in Florida) the AC meter, and the older Termlab, are sufficient to run a show.
All this aside, if there's a contractual obligation, there's a legally binding reason to keep the meters.
Can someone please show me where outcomes on AC meters were dramatically different (not scores, but final placements - was someone louder on AC that wasn't on Termlab without ANY modifications) from those on the new Termlab?
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on a local level, the audio control is fine. He11, I helped out at a local event in Miami a couple of weeks ago. I wish I had my old audio control. The scores on the new terlab were relly low for these local guys. Average scores were in the mid to low 130s!
At World finals, a precision mic is needed. The old termpro had major issues. You were at the 2002 DB Drag Finals. On the "big tower", both lanes calibrated fine, but at high spls, the left lane was 0.7 dB higher.
The same kind of inconsistancy plagues the audio control mic at high spls. In fact, it was an Audio control "calibrator" that has always been used to calibrate the old mics.
I would think IASCA would want to hold their meters to a higher standard, as IASCA is one of the oldest "soundoff" circuits.
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Andrew, IASCA is the oldest existing soundoff organization. But in reality, a lot comes down to finances. AudioControl is contributing to the funding that makes big shows, like finals, run. I don't think that if IASCA were to drop the AC meter, in accordance to use the Termlab, they'd get the same, if any, financial support from dbDrag.
Add to that, that in all of IASCA's existence, they've used one meter - AudioControl. Most shop owners who run IASCA events or have customers who compete at them, already paid for an AudioControl. When we're trying to have MORE shows, the best way to do it is by NOT alienating the current hosts of these events by saying "you gotta get a new meter now and shell out more cash".
Think about it as economics and a business.
Nobody has yet to show me a different outcome (placement wise) using the AC vs the dbDrag meter. Those who were louder on the AC were louder on the Termlab.
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side note.......isn't USAC older than IASCA?
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Not that I'm aware of. IASCA came directly out of CAN/NACA, been around since first SBN (and I think this year is SBN 19). USACi just had it's 16th or 17th finals.
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quote:Originally posted by joshua_in_michigan: ...i seem to remember, that u hit a 173.? on a termlab chris, at the show in the snow, what would that be on a audiocontrol mic ya think?/
I do a 173.5 on the turm lab, and now anywhere from a 177.8 to 179 on my audio control !
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WHY DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ABOUT YOU EXTREME GUYS. YOU HAVE YOUR CLASSES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU ARE FAITHFUL TO. LET US SMALLER GUYS ENJOY THE IASCA OGR. I HAPPEN TO HAVE COMPETED IN THIER ORG. AT SBN LAST YEAR AND NOT ONLY DID I TAKE FIRST PLACE BUT, I ALSO ENJOYED MYSELF. YOU DB DRAG GUYS ARE TO UP TIGHT SOMETIMES. SPREAD THE GLORY DON'T HOG IT ALL FOR YOURSELVES!
quote:Originally posted by LOUDERCIVIC: WHY DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ABOUT YOU EXTREME GUYS. YOU HAVE YOUR CLASSES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU ARE FAITHFUL TO. LET US SMALLER GUYS ENJOY THE IASCA OGR. I HAPPEN TO HAVE COMPETED IN THIER ORG. AT SBN LAST YEAR AND NOT ONLY DID I TAKE FIRST PLACE BUT, I ALSO ENJOYED MYSELF. YOU DB DRAG GUYS ARE TO UP TIGHT SOMETIMES. SPREAD THE GLORY DON'T HOG IT ALL FOR YOURSELVES!
WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE IN CAPS? I've made a few post on this thread and I'm not in the extreme class or even the Super Street class.. I play in Stock 1, Street A (and/or B), Super Stock 601+ and I would like a more accurate metering system...
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