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Well I was able to test some amps today..and no calls from the Popo's Now before ANY OF YOU start questioning my test I know the tests wern't PERFECT but they were enough to get me what I needed.
Due to the weather and the fact that 1 XXV Colossus was unhooked I DID NOT test 2 Colossus today.
I monitored the temp in side the van as well as humidty. Temp was 66-69 dergees and humidty was 52-58% duering the testing, if it was out side of this window I would stablize back into the range.
On the test with ONLY 1 sub the other sub WAS still installed BUT was NOT connected. 1 sub testing was done to try at diffrent ohm load as teh amps I was testing are designed to work at diffrent ohm loads.
All testing was the PEAK number reached..and I DID allow for any delay so some were LONG burps.
1st test was 1 XXV Colossus with the van running at idle.
1...Burped Voulme 24 and rolled last 2 clicks.. both subs @ .7 ohms(2 channels so .7 eacdh)---152.4
2... Driver side sub ONLY with amp bridged at .7 Bruped and would protect at volume 23 and up. Rolled volume to 26-------150.3
3.. Right side sub ONLY amp bridged at .7 straight burp at volume 24-----151.5---NOTE the amp was only able to do this level once, it would roll but not burp at the time it was tesed,most likely due to heat as I test later to day and it was able to burp again. ALSO the volume need was less than any other test for the XXV Colossus.
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-------------------- TEAM MICHIGAN FTW !!!! -----TjsAudio-------- Posts: 1211 | From: Allegan Michigan | Registered: Jan 2007
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Visonike 4000 watt X class amp(I have the model # but not at hand.
All testing was done in the SAME fashion as the Colossus. The only test that I did do diffrent was use 2 of these amps to show a few people present what my van can do...as they were unbelivers in both the amp's and the numbers I was claiming.
This amp was NOT able to be tested below .7 ohms as it would protect even if rolled at 1 click per 5 seconds.
1....both subs wired at 1.4 ohms. Volume 26 peak-----152.6 NOTE we tryed this amp at a few diffret ohm loads that I could wire with both subs as well as the amp setting it self, I will also add I had to use a seperate battery(this was need on the amp in ANY vechile it is used in) to keep the amp turned on..even thought the amps voltage was NEVER be low 12.8 volts
2....PORT side sub wired at .7 ohms volume was at 26 and this was a straigh burp as burping was louder than rolling-------150.8
3..... Right side sub wired at .7 ohms Volume peaked at 28 and was loudest at a straight burp-----151.4............COlossus is .1 louder at this point.
4.... This was 2 Visonik 4K X class amps wired at .7 PER amp the volume was at 24 when they would go into protect....this was rolling the volume and they were still gain FAST at the point that they would protect....zvoltage was droping into the 11 volt range current draw was almost 600 amps PER and the batterys had ONLY been charged by the ALT on my van....a GOOD charge MIGHT have done better.
5..... 2 Viskoiks wired at 1.4 ohms PER AMP volume was 26 and this was a straight burp.----155.5
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-------------------- TEAM MICHIGAN FTW !!!! -----TjsAudio-------- Posts: 1211 | From: Allegan Michigan | Registered: Jan 2007
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NOW....for the test was have ALL been waiting for.......
This is the FIRST time my self OR any one I know. I spoke to Alan Dante briefly before testing this amp. The settings on the amp were only a aproxx setting as the weather had been on and off all day. Until this point the Vikonks and the Colossus had been used and setting were able to be set in the amps LIKEING range . The Stetsom was just a...well that looks good setting.
I would like to say FIRST that the batterys STILL have NOT been charged by anything OTHER than the vans 180 amp alt. There have been about 30+ FULL TILT burps before this test. Battery voltage RUNNING at this point is 13.04 volts and the last amp test of 2 amps had droped into the low 11 volt range. The batterys were allowed to charge for about 10 mins and the subs got to cool down..like they realy needed it.
1......Port sub ONLY wired at .7 ohms straight burp was the loudest at volume 24---- 150.8 this is .5 more than the Colossus..NOTE this amp was tested 4 clicks into clipping. I was unsure of how much harder I should push the amp safly. I was testing the Colossus 5+ clicks into clipping. The Stetsom may have been able to give more but that was enough to get a idea.
2.....Right sub ONLY wired at .7 straight burp at volume 22 -----151.9...NOTE this was 2 clicks into cliping, it may have still gained more but it was enogh to show what was needed. This is .3 louder that the Colossus and with MUCH less clipping.
NOW for the money test....... The Stetsom was wired at .35 ohms...YES .35 OHMS------------ This test was only done twice due to the fact of the ohm load and I'm a cowared not wanting to break my NEW amp.
1st time......I will post a vid when I get it uploaded. I rolled the volume a little to fast(about 1 click per this time AND the subs DIDN'T have the ohm rise I was execpting-----PROTECT AT volume 22 and was the SAME place that the amp would begin to clip-----152.8 ............this is .3 louder then the Colossus. I will ADD that the last 2 clicks were worth about 1.8 DB EACH....I don't know what it means BUT it was takeing about 2 seconds to see the gain of each click up. The last click maybe even 2 didn't even register a change on the meter BUT it was VERY apparent that the SPL had gone up.
2nd time off the camra. Same test about 2 mins later..STILL just chargeing off the vans 180amp alt. I rolled the volume slower this time and was able to get 1 more click even at this rate the amp STILL protect BEFORE it reached peak , the last 3 clicks were about 1 click PER 5 seconds. Once I head the meter reading the volume 22(meter was still climbing) FOR a -----153.5 I am unsure if the amp protected BEFORE I went up the last click to 23 or if protect while still playing volume 22.
I would ALOS like to add that the Stetsom temp was just a little more than the air temp...maybe 5-10 dregrees more. This was impressive given the ohm load and the amount of time I spent rolling the volume. I would say my 2nd test was 25 seconds with at LEAST 15 seconds in the last 3 clicks of volume.
153.5 DB Stetsom 2k6d VS XXV Colossus 152.4 VS Visonik 152.6.
The Stetsom was tested LAST just to make SURE that my test were unbiased. The voltage was FAR from ideal.
-------------------- TEAM MICHIGAN FTW !!!! -----TjsAudio-------- Posts: 1211 | From: Allegan Michigan | Registered: Jan 2007
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-07 The year off, only six 12" in a daily driven VW Vento/Jetta. -08 Student, selling everything! Posts: 1041 | From: Kalmar SWEDEN | Registered: Jan 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: Nice test but I just can't figure out how you got a 6000 watt amp to be louder then the 3200 watt amp (at the wrong impedance)
I guess I will have to go back to the drawing board and try to squeeze another 2800 watts out of it some how
Just poking a little fun so don't flame :lol:
I'm not flaming here.
I think that the 2K6D amp is a 3,000 watt amp, not 6,000 watts. But I could be wrong.
Obviously there are other factors involved. Impedance and impedance rise.
You gotta admit, that little amp is pretty bad ass. Makes me want to order one for my Aztek. I can hide it behind one of the rear panels.
-------------------- Alejandro "Alex" Avila Sound Decision SPL Team - team captain http://www.sounddecisioninc.com Posts: 1374 | From: Montgomery, IL U.S.A | Registered: Jul 2000
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That's even better yet if it is a 3000 watt amp. And at the fact that it costs twice as much as a Colussus, so for the same price you could get 2 Colussus and be louder than one 2k6d. Anyway you look at it Alan is making $, he tries to come off like he doesn't. We all know this is a business and no one does this just to prove a point that they can build a bad ass amp and make nothing off of it. Maxxsonics makes money also, but in turn they pass the savings down to the consumer also. Maxxsonics FTMFW!!!!!!!
-------------------- Team Sundown Posts: 870 | From: North Carolina | Registered: Jan 2008
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quote:Originally posted by Team Maxxsonics - John: Nice test but I just can't figure out how you got a 6000 watt amp to be louder then the 3200 watt amp (at the wrong impedance)
I guess I will have to go back to the drawing board and try to squeeze another 2800 watts out of it some how
Just poking a little fun so don't flame :lol:
Sorry John I knew 1 of you guys would pop in on this at some point. This test was NOT to say 1 amp is better, thats not for me to decide. All I CAN say is what works in MY van.
As for Impeadince.....well what would have worked. The Colossus would protect at .35 ohms...of course. In my testing with the Colossus run STEREO or 2 channel at .35 PER channel it would also protect....of course. Useing the amp at .7 per channel DID work....but I had 1 amp that due to impeadince rise(or lack of it) would hit protect every now and then. The Colossus was ALSO tryed BRIDGED at 1.4 Ohms..that make you happey ???? Well the numbers didn't. .7 PER channel stereo was louder than 1.4 bridged. We arn't going to say how much diffrence but I gave the Colossus test that was the loudest.
Lets also rember I ran testing on the Colossus 1ST. The batts were VERY well charged and the subs coils were not heated up yet.
Lets be fair I tryed my best to make the test's as fair as I could.
John or Mike...IF you would like I can redo the test's with diffrent subs that WILL give more wireing choices. QUAD 1 ohm coils....and 2 subs. I would bet that in a few hours of testing I could get the BEST possable numbers out of your amp...BUT I would ALSO do the SAME test for the Stetsom. IF you would like I will....BUT IF A COLOSSUS BURNS WILL YOU FIX IT ASAP ? That is the only reason I did Not test this way.
OH....I would also like to add for all reading this that I spend almost 4 hours doing these test's and tryeing to get ever thing fair for each amp. REMBER thats 4 hours of my van idleing and costing gas. I also had 100 mile round trip(11 MPG) to be able to do this test and do ALL amps SAME day....so that every thing would be the same.
-------------------- TEAM MICHIGAN FTW !!!! -----TjsAudio-------- Posts: 1211 | From: Allegan Michigan | Registered: Jan 2007
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I don't wanna chime in to much but what XXV amp would be better to test against this @ .35, cyclops, thor, a goliath? If you want after I get my goliath throw it in there @ .35 and see what it does I'll let you burp it once or twice, off topic but I'm not sure If I'll be making any of the shows, you can still use my mic but my car will be sold tomorrow. Anyway nice scores, now get it louder!
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Cyclops would be the amp to campare to. The 2k6d is 3K @ 2 ohms. However I would be wiling to let YOU test my 2k6d in YOUR CRX . But maybe I shouldn't...that would be mean and I would probely have to fight you to get it back
How long is the Golitah ? What is the watt power in street B ? How many amps can you draw and still carry 12 volts ?
-------------------- TEAM MICHIGAN FTW !!!! -----TjsAudio-------- Posts: 1211 | From: Allegan Michigan | Registered: Jan 2007
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I'm sorry but size has nothing to do with an amp unless you drive a rollerskate. If the amp is under 36" then it's going to fit in any vehicle and still possible to fit multiple in a crx even. In a game where size matters the smaller the amp has nothing to do with anything. It doesn't matter in your case Pete where you have a 30" long amp or a 16" long amp you are in ssnw, and you have an Astro on top of that. Imo, I like a larger amp because it lets people know what's up, they don't mistake your sub amps for an amp used to run your components with. Will someone please tell me what benefit a small amp has in db drag?
-------------------- Team Sundown Posts: 870 | From: North Carolina | Registered: Jan 2008
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quote:Originally posted by AllNightLong: That's even better yet if it is a 3000 watt amp. And at the fact that it costs twice as much as a Colussus, so for the same price you could get 2 Colussus and be louder than one 2k6d. Anyway you look at it Alan is making $, he tries to come off like he doesn't. We all know this is a business and no one does this just to prove a point that they can build a bad ass amp and make nothing off of it. Maxxsonics makes money also, but in turn they pass the savings down to the consumer also. Maxxsonics FTMFW!!!!!!!
whats your problema ? the 2k6d is smaler and beat the big amps thats all , if you don't like us noting i can do for you! and seconde you can't compare prices because or amps are build with high dollar labor not like others that build in korea or chine ,and we use or unique design , if you look at price and try to compare is impossible , every amplifier have they own way to be build and prices are diferente! can you compere the price for a honda to audi!no because is diferente tipe customer , stetsom sale to the top people , we have dealers that only do instals at high dollar cars! they not look for price they are looking for qualite and realpower in compact sise! or amps don't take the space of your car , and they work good with smal batterys ! cars is getting smaler every year and the space in the back to , then how you guys is gone instal 40" amplifier in toyota YARIS for exemplo! don't get me bad but i think the problema is against me not stetsom , thats because i can do the numbers and most guys don't like to see a MEXICANO doing good, the imigrantes are just for the slave work that americans don't whants to do ! like clean homes or work at construction , doing 14 hours in work a day , building homes for americans can live on ! we need more respect for what we do for america, i die for USA this country give me every thin i have!i love america and i compete for america in the last 10 years ! all my records go with american flag!and i am proud to be doing that for USA! if eny one here have eny problemas with imigrants , go do what we do and you will see that we are very importante for USA, deporte all the MEXICANOS and this country will stop! is eny american 2:00 a clock in the morning fliping burgs? or working hard to make $4.50/hour ? please ifyour problema is with me don't mix with stetsom please , they are doing very nice job and they do have one the best amplifiers in the planet!
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