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It's hard to tell at the moment. I'm willing to bet people are playing hi notes at local shows, so the scores are higher for the "seasoned" competitors that know the rules well. Finals will tell for the season.
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the record holder is John Henry, he did 174dbs last november at the finals, his 88 Chevy Astro is equipped with 16 mmats D-300HD amps, 12 mmats Juggernaut 15 inch subs, 11 GP audio alternators, and 34 WestCo SVR-75 batteries.
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Posts: 74 | From: San Juan, Puerto Rico | Registered: May 1999
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Hmm..You all know I have to post a side note to john. HE CHEATED. Now I know you will all say there is no proof. But there is. There was dust found on the dash of the vehicle of both John and Wayne. Someone got a sample of this dust and it tested to be from Air Bag Gas. If that was released into the cabin durning a SPL run that sould REALLY cause the meter to jump. Also there were videos of this gas and reports that some may have been using voltage to spike the mic/meter. But there was proof it was forwarded to the proper parties and cause at the time there was #1 no rules to dispute a run and #2 the proof came out long after the run was compleated.
So take a look at the info and decide what you want. Hmm....
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Posts: 8035 | From: Huron,Oh | Registered: May 1999
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I Would have to say that there was some thing funny about the # and the way Jonny was acting when he (hit) the #? Funny be wayne didn't tear down or inspect until everybody was hounding him to, .... that is a little weird, don't you think, it also takes a long time to open the door after that hi hitting run, maybe have to wait until the dust settled? He just better back it up this year, at least he should being last year he did the # at 70hz, he said, yea right! good luck to all the compeditors that don't have to cheat to post a #....
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Posts: 99 | From: Fort Gratiot, MI. USA | Registered: May 1999
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Let's try not to get pulled into a debate as to the John Henry mystery pressure. It just brings up bad feelings on the part of some. If he cheated or not we'll know this new season because everybody will be looking for it. If he retires the vehicle? Oh well. 'Not getting on anyones case '
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I was there at the DB Drag finals last year, sitting in the front row when John so called broke the record. I saw first hand a very light white haze in the vehicle when the mic was removed. Now you tell me what it was. It surely wasn't smoke. Why can't people win legally instead of cheating. A win by cheating is only a trophy. A legal win is an acomplishment.
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Posts: 169 | From: Duluth, GA | Registered: May 1999
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Hi there. I am not going to add to an arguement. Just post some evidence. I know what you are talking about that power you seen. What I have to say is this. I have a clip of a video that was taken of that. Showing what you are talking about. I also have a copy of the actual video. The clips I have are on the net. If you or anyone would like to see them PLEASE send me an email.
Also about John Retiring that from normal compeating...Well I heard that he did. I dont know how true it is but the source was fairly reliable. They said they also heard something about him doing another system. HMMMM..
Well I feel like a moron. I am editing this..But the video I have is or Jay Lovelace...but John is the one that I heard was retiring the vehicle. The 2 formats I have are .rm and also .mpg.. ------------------ _____________________ 1999 USAC Finals Qualifier Usac Sactioned Judge -----Judged----- 1999 Spring Break Nationals 1999 Midwest Regional 1983 Camaro-152dB old system..new system on the way. -Irc Chat Room- chat.talkcity.com ports 6667,6668,6669,7000 Room Name #auto-audio I am the room coordinator for this room. Stop by sometime and say hi...We are busy after 9:00cdt usually.
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Posts: 8035 | From: Huron,Oh | Registered: May 1999
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Well, if JH doesn't compete his anymore, I will consider Jay Lovelace the loudest in my book. I think there was too much doubt left in too many peoples minds to accept a retirement of his vehicle without backing up his scores. And building another vehicle? If his was that loud then where do you go?
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hmm..the loudest? Well ok I agree. When using Air Bag Gass and spiking mikes becomes legal I will call them loudest also. Now granted there was no HARD proof that a mic was spiked. BUT there was proof that was tested and sent to those that matter about the air bag gas. Sample was taken after a run sent to be tested and it came to be that.
I am sure I will be "yelled" at for this one but o well. Just voicing me opinion....
And Jay has not been able to back up his number so far( may be cause of the filter) and of John is compeating where the hell is he But in the end time will tell.
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Posts: 8035 | From: Huron,Oh | Registered: May 1999
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I didn't think about the filter and Jay.... Who has pulled the best number at an event with the filter in place??? Are we back down to the 160's?
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its not air bag gas its a powder called talcum(sp) just to clear it up sorry dont mean to correct you prospl152 but it was not gas its talcum the use it in air bags
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Posts: 257 | From: midwest | Registered: May 1999
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its not air bag gas its a powder called talcum just to clear it up sorry dont mean to correct you but it was not gas its talcum they use it in air bags
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Posts: 257 | From: midwest | Registered: May 1999
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Isn't "air bag gass" nitrogen or, or some other inert gass? In any case, the gas itself will not be colored. Talcum, or talc powder is a fine white powder used in baby power, or on rubber baloons, latex gloves, etc to prevent sticking. This string has gotten way off topic, and should be considered closed.
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Posts: 7823 | From: Charlotte,NC USA | Registered: May 1999
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Wattsu..is right..I was so used to calling it gas..but is truly is a power..not a "gas" ....hell correct me anytime you like if I am wrong..
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Posts: 8035 | From: Huron,Oh | Registered: May 1999
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OK guys I need to comment on this one. First off, I believe John Henry and Jay Lovelace BOTH cheated at Finals. BUT there was NO rules in 1998 against what they did. To me it hurt the integrity of the sport but on the other hand they were very ingenious. I believe to this day that Jay was totally legit to about 172-173 dB. I dont think the gas in his vehicle helped him more than maybe a dB or two. Henry on the other hand , I believe was a true 167-168 db. Here is why I say this. I was at both finals and watched every run of both competitors. The qualifying run of JH's I had my eyes glued to his podium for some reason, I saw him turn it on, I heard the system, then there was no noise, I then looked up at the meter and saw the number go from 167 to 174. VERY puzzleing with no sound, but the Equalizer qualified in the lane next to him and his score went to 174 when they had their system on, like 3-4 seconds after JH's was done. Plus if anyone remebers he only hit 167 in the first elimination round, and at USAC finals he only did a 167 in elimination. I was parked maybe 30 feet from Henry all weekend at dbDrag Finals. I saw the numbers he was getting on his meter Friday and Sat. night during testing I NEVER saw ANY SCORE over 168!!!! And outside the vehicle it was just as loud as when he went thru the lanes. AS for JH using so called 70 hz, I'm sorry but get real I'm not deaf, I used 124 hz and my note sounded like LOW bass compared to his. As for Jay Lovelace, I know his system was abnoxiosly loud, but I know he blew gas in the cabin also. I say Jay was really doing 172 or so. If you watched the meter the first number that would come up for him was like 172 then about a second later when you could see the gas coming out of the dash it went to 174's. I have heard that Jay called NSPL and asked them if it was legal to use gas during competition, and they have no rule for it (1998) NSPL said flat out if we catch you cheating like that your done for good! I believe that this year Jay is doing 168's because of the low bass thing. John Henry on the other I would LOVE to see him post a 170 with 70 hz tone using the EXACT same system he used at finals minus using the gas. But I guess that will never hapen cause it can't do it in my opinion.
One last note, I believe that because of what they did it kinda gives MMATS a bad name. It really hurts guys like Jeff Wright and Mike Barfield who didn't cheat. But I guess MMATS can at least they can claim they had the loudest 2 vehicles in the world for at least one year. Although they cheated.
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Posts: 602 | From: Sheboygan, WI | Registered: May 1999
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You mention you believe both Jay and John were guilty of the compressed gas. And that Jay called nspl and they said no rule against it (or you heard that) Wasn't/ Isn't there a rule in DB drag against that, and if so was there nothing to be done about there final scores and victories. In your opinion. Just curious. And my original question, to anybody: what is the current highest DB Drag SPL ,to the best of your knowledge, this season?
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No sanctions had a rule against using gas last year at all. This year they all do. And to answer you original post I believe the highest score i've heard so far at ashow this year using low bass is like a 168-169, can't rmember who it was. I've heard a few rumors on Tim Maynor and The Equalizer(Boss Cannon not the armored truck) Ive heard they are both in the 172+ range with LLLOOOWWW Bass like 30 HZ! not sure to the truthfullness to the rumor though.
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Posts: 602 | From: Sheboygan, WI | Registered: May 1999
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I am currently working on the records pages for the dB Drag Racing website. As usual, everything will be database interactive and automated. Just takes time up-front but once it's done it's done for good.
Sorry for the delay.
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Wayne we totally love you Man! I mean all the work you do man you are the best. If anyone says otherwise I will show them what I have been learning in my Pro wrestling training sesions get to work with the oriental express real soon they used to kick butt!
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Posts: 64 | From: Grand Rapids, Michigan USA | Registered: May 1999
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tech man Moderator posted 06-03-99 07:47 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's try not to get pulled into a debate as to the John Henry mystery pressure. It just brings up bad feelings on the part of some. If he cheated or not we'll know this new season because everybody will be looking for it. If he retires the vehicle? Oh well. 'Not getting on anyones case '
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tech man wrote this but isnt this what the forum is for? to debate and to bring up ideas? john henry is more then weclome to come on here and debate with us as well i am sure. as far as the talcum and "air bag gas" the only true proof was the taclum there is no solid proof of the "air bag gas" i know there is some sort of gas in a sir bag and i am by far no wise with chemicals i think its just regular air right? just with some pressure but the only soild proof like i said before was talcum also in jay lovelace's van his install is way way way way to nice not to know what the heck this mystery white powder shoting up from the left center of his dash is from and as far as he claims it to be cement again i am no wise but cement would not stay in that fine of a shoot as far as tech man saying bad feelings i dont think anyone has bad bad feelings perhaps maybe a certain nice lady does about the way she lost or even perhaps tim maynor does but i think its good to vent it somewhere to keep it built up inside is no good for you at all feel free to bag on me i can take it =o) just dont throw any big rocks or sticks my van or if you would like to email me on the topic i would love to chat with all just as long as you keep in a adult manner take it easy all and there i just rambled on to give you people some thought on the JOHN AND JAY story lol
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Posts: 257 | From: midwest | Registered: May 1999
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proaudio150 once again sorry i dont mean to step on your toes or anything and winslow posted this
winslow posted 06-07-99 02:46 PM MT (US) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isn't "air bag gass" nitrogen or, or some other inert gass? In any case, the gas itself will not be colored. Talcum, or talc powder is a fine white powder used in baby power, or on rubber baloons, latex gloves, etc to prevent sticking. This string has gotten way off topic, and should be considered closed. ------------------
do you have proof of john was shooting a gas into his cab?? NO but there is proof of talcum powder in his cab i am pretty sure he used a gas of some sort as well but there is no solid proof of this. and as far as john's run as well i was there at TN right in front watching his run he posted a 167.something the volume went down and then all of a sudden the sucker jumped up to a 182.7(or something) kind of fishy if ya ask me hehe i wish in my van when the volume went down i can jump 5 DB WHOA that would help me out a lot and why should we close this topic? is it not part of SPL? and DB drag? although it is history and nothing we do can change it i dont see anything wrong with posting anything on this topic while were on something like this how come nothing was made about tim maynor using a 2398479238479823749293479823423 inch woofer and stuff a common person can buy? even though the thing blew up and everyone tucked for cover lol sorry i am just on a rumble spurt again take it easy all you people and i wont ramble any more
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Air Bags use Talcum powder to pack the bag so it does not stick to itself when in the steering wheel... The bag itself it fired by an explosive which is more powerful than TNT (forget what it is but could find out)... The gas is inert nitrogen something-or-other and is nothing really special...
