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I'm not talking sh!t when I make this topic but some of you that aren't really that familiar with Bassrace need to see these videos to see how it's done. You that talk sh!t about my starts and saying that you can't believe that I've never redlighted go ahead and check out the World Champ from 129.9 and the 5th place finisher in 139.9 last year.
If you watch and listen every time they hit their starts when if not before it's saying set on the led screen. You can't even hear the guy's voice say set cause they've already unpaused their cars and are playing. Pretty funny not a single red light the entire time. 5 runs in a row with the starts the entire time that way and no redlights. Yes the timer is correct and there isn't a long pause in between ready and set like the meter you all know I'm talking about.
Neither of these guys have a ton of headroom in this class at this particular time either for those of you saying that I need more headroom to run in 149.9, the start is everything as you can see in this video. I don't expect many of you to have the timing on an official Db Drag judges meter down since you haven't ran at a ton of Db Drag sanctioned events, but this is how the timer is supposed to go and this is how the starts are supposed to be. You aren't supposed to start late and be able to make your 9.9, your supposed to have the timing down and start on time to win. Neither of these guys could start a second late and do nearly as well as they do when the hit the hole shot. In case some of you don't know what a hole shot is, it's when you get a 9.0 or better start.
Here's the link to the video, enjoy it and tell me that there's something wrong with what I'm doing. I don't think so, so please back off.
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I just watched all 5:07 of that video. I know I'm old and my hearing isn't the best, but not once did I hear music until the word "set" came on the screen. It is all timing, but at the moment music plays "set" pops up on the screens.
I assume you are still referring to the Border show and I think everyone there will agree that you had music playing when "ready" was on the screen. I consider myself a pretty experienced Bass Racer(not the best or anything, just experienced) and that start was not even close.
Sorry, just my opinion.
I thought this was over, but you brought it back up.
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Seriously though I agree that the start is very important and tell everyone the same thing. Just like drag racing you don't ever wait on the green light. You always leave on yellow. I've started on set (I mean dead on set) with their meter and not red lighted.
As for the delay between Ready & Set, well I've only been on Fred's meter a few times & Terry Jackson's and IMO they're the same as Comp Only's. I don't even think there is a way to change that setting. What I'll do is video tape it at the next Comp Only event and NSPL event then compare them on screen & see what the exact gap is.
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It's not so much as I'm trying to say anything about the meter's as I'm saying how important the starts are in bassrace. Raymond was talking in one of the other threads that I should be able to start late and still do a 149.9, and I agree to an extent. I shouldn't be starting a second late for any reason, but if for some reason I don't go until I see set on the led I'm still fine cause that's what I did on the last run at Border and still did a 149.9
Walt, if you watch every run especially the second to last run you'll see that both guys actually started before it says set on the screen. I know some other people including Derrick will agree with me on that one. You may just be old or partial to not agreeing wtih me, but it's there and any good bassracer will tell you that's the name of the game. I'm trying to get you guys to understand that and stop criticising me on my technique. It's worked for some reason and as soon as I've had a loss in the recent events for some reason it makes a few of you that don't know what your really doing (not all of you cause some of you are very good) start talking crap and criticising my ass. I just wanted to show you how some of the best in the world do, the ones I learned to bassrace from.
Also Derrick there is definately a way that you can adjust the timer in the TL settings. I don't want you to do anything cause it's like I said before no matter what happens after the fact I know what went on when it happend. I know that there was an extra long pause in between ready and set. I'm not crazy and my timing on the bassrace clock is impecable. I've never redlighed on a meter before and you see how well my starts are. I'm not trying to take this any further, I just wish that we had video footage from the Border show to compare to ANY from a show of Fred's. That is the only way that I'd be satisfied with a video of it being done. I don't want a video after the fact.
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I am confused here? after everything that was said you wanted people to just leave you alone and not mess with you and now you are starting this crap up all over again!! what where you thinking?? that you just had to get the last word in?? I know I said that I didn't think that you where loud enough to bass race the 149.9 class but from the sound of yoiu might be missing a few other things? what I said in my post was that the start is not the only thing that you need to wory about!! yes it is important but there are many things that need to be taken into consideration in order to be a great bassracer!! if you think that the only thing that you have to worry about is the start then you should really take a step back and rethink what you are trying to do? I am not trying to talk crap to you so don't take this personaly!! I just think that in order to be the best that you should be able to adapt to any situation when it comes to bassrace!! also no matter where you start on the time you still have to try to finish at a 149.9!! I am sure that the metters between stan and fred are the same since Fred is the one that verified the settings on stans meeter!! so if you still think that there was something wrong with the meter then you are calling fred a liar aswell!! no one is out to get you!! we are all out to have a good time and compete. I hope that you can take a step back and look at it from a differant perspective and reevaluate the whole situation!! there are many people that will always talk crap to get things going!! ( I am know to do that from time to time) but I will say the truth wiether they like it or not!! all I am saying is keep in mind that there will always be room for improvment in every one!! and at the time when someone thinks that they are the best they get beat!! just keep at it and try to undestand that if you compete in differant orgs you might just learn some new things!! I personaly have learned many things by going somewhere to compete even though I didn't fit into any good class it is all about having fun setting personal goals and getting there! so good luck to you and I am sure that we will all see you at High Point on the 27th!!
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If there's even a chance that High Point ends up like Greenville (not running eliminations cause not enough people) then I won't be doing Bass Race.
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What I'm trying to get at Raymond is that you are the last person that I need to get advice on bassrace from. Those videos were ment for you to watch and observe on what goes on. THE START IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. IF YOU DON'T GET A GOOD START YOU CAN KISS YOUR RUN GOOD BYE. I don't expect you to know that since you don't bassrace. However I do expect you to know that when your trying to give someone advice on the matter. I didn't say that the start is the only thing you need to be good at, but it is the most important in order to be one of the best. That's what the video showed. Two great bassracers with great starts every run finishing at 139.9 4 times in a row.
You need to get off this thing that I seem to think that I'm the best bassracer in the world. I have never said this and I don't act like it. I said that I'm probably the best in this area and I will gladly back that up at any turn. I've officially been beaten once since I moved here and that way by Derrick, IN BASSRACE on an OFFICIAL Judges meter.
Yes I redlighted against Walt and did bust over once in practice against him. Why didn't Walt want to bassrace on Fred's meter? I asked Fred and he said it was absolutely fine to do so on his meter, but all of you insisted on running on Stan's. I guess what it comes down to is I can't lose ever again here to give you guys something to talk about. If I wouldn't have lost to Derrick you'd still want to beat me just as bad, and when I don't lose again it will be that much sweeter in the lanes.
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I just watched those runs that Derrick put up and it does it in the videos. If you watch the second run on the video it holds ready a half second longer than what it does in the videos that I put up. I wish I could play them side by side at the same exact time cause the proof is there. I don't expect those of you that watch for set to start to see it. I'm going to talk to some of my guys that bassrace and have them watch it and see what they think. If you're going off your experience on bassracing several times and hearing the timer and it's cadence if you will you know when to start without even watching for set.
I can see it plain as day on this video of Gary vs Evan. If you can't see it it's like I said your not used to running on other meter's cause it's there even to the point that both my wife and Steve could tell it as well.
Here's an even that I bassraced at last year on Sam Horn's meter. Listen to the ready set go on his meter as well and watch how quickly it goes comparred to the video of the comp only show above.
On the comp only version of bassrace I can get a full one one thousand, two one thousand count when it says ready until it says set. On my video of my 129.9 runs I can only get a one one thousand count before it goes from ready to set. The proof is there, if you can't see it your blind. Or if you can't hear it your deaf.
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I rest my case. Watch it for yourself. Watch the comp only bassrace run and as soon as you see ready on the led count one one thousand, two one thousand and then you see set. You might not get all the way through the second two one thousand but it's pretty damn close. Then watch the other video of my runs starting at about 1:48 seconds in to get a good shot of the led and also being able to hear the voice. You can count one one thousand and before you can even get the two one thousand to even begin to say it already says set. Try it and then you will see what I'm talking about, and why I will not run on that meter ever again.
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: lol Zach if you'd just leave it alone and show what you can do in the lanes then they wouldn't be busting your balls....
Getting on a website and making paragraph responses and spending your time to do all this stuff just lets everyone laugh at you dude
That's the thing Justin I have done it in the lanes. I've had one loss since moving here and after that loss all the people that are talking sh!t started. One loss and that's what brought all of this bullsh!t on. No matter what you say I'm going to defend my point of view. You would too if someone was talking sh!t about you so I don't know where your coming from here. Was there not a 10+ page long epic thread about you ripping off some people in the off topic section that you defended yourself in? Weather you were gulity of what you were accused of or not you defended yourself. I just don't think that your the right person to be comenting on this one.
One loss brings all this on, I hate to see what happens when I retire!
Also Justin I'd rather spend my time online dealing with real issues weather they be conflict or not opposed to saying that I'm going to do this or build that and then not do it. You have no idea what's going on here nor how much crap I've seen out of my opposition here. I've let my numerous 1st place finishes show what I'm capable of, but it's not really that great since none of the classes are full ever.
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I forgot....all hail the mighty Zach. No wonder everyone up there doesn't like you dude, your a ****
Set a world record in ANY org, or do a BIG build not something that cost under a grand then you can say something to me.
I'm not gonna spend another 100k on a vehicle, just keep being defensive and just keep calling everyone "haters" when you don't even realize your the one bringing it on yourself.
Theres a big difference in getting your balls busted and getting into an arguement with someone...maybe you'll grow up enough to realize that one day
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: lmao, defensive much?
I forgot....all hail the mighty Zach. No wonder everyone up there doesn't like you dude, your a ****
Set a world record in ANY org, or do a BIG build not something that cost under a grand then you can say something to me.
I'm not gonna spend another 100k on a vehicle, just keep being defensive and just keep calling everyone "haters" when you don't even realize your the one bringing it on yourself.
Theres a big difference in getting your balls busted and getting into an arguement with someone...maybe you'll grow up enough to realize that one day
quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: lmao, defensive much?
I forgot....all hail the mighty Zach. No wonder everyone up there doesn't like you dude, your a ****
Set a world record in ANY org, or do a BIG build not something that cost under a grand then you can say something to me.
I'm not gonna spend another 100k on a vehicle, just keep being defensive and just keep calling everyone "haters" when you don't even realize your the one bringing it on yourself.
Theres a big difference in getting your balls busted and getting into an arguement with someone...maybe you'll grow up enough to realize that one day
I guess I can say what ever the phuck I want to you then Justin cause I happen to be the WORLD RECORD holder in the NSPL Car 1801-3600 watt class. You must not be able to read at all cuase it's right in my sig dumb ass. So I've set and currently hold a world record in NSPL, therefore I've earned the right to talk to the allmighty Justin Thorton.
I'm defensive and you talk like it's a bad thing. Sorry I don't go around scamming people hundreds of miles away out of their money so I can buy drugs with it but I happen to be a little bit more honest than that.
Like I said you don't even know the situation at all. There are people hating on me since I left one of the teams in this area for another one. You should probably try staying out of something that has nothing to do with you. I can't help it that we've never seen eye to eye and you happen to come into a thread of mine and start running your mouth like anyone cares at all.
Dude, I'm done with you it's honestly too easy. Leave stuff alone that has nothing to do with you k bro
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And if you'll look at the first post I wasn't being an ass to you...I've read on here and the guys from NSPL were busting your balls and you were getting your panties in a bunch. You're even crying in another post about how you broke out one time and its all the meters fault.
YOUR THE ONE ACTING ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY AND TALKING DOWN TO EVERYONE DUMB****
"Oh no man you can't build a car for my class and besides its illegal because you work in the industry, please don't build a car for my class....wahh wahh wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
Suck it up and stop being a ****ing ***** zach
I'll make one more point to you then I'll never bother with your defensive ass again...
...whatever we say on here I transfer over to real life and I don't care to have a real life incident over something online
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quote:Originally posted by TeamSubGoPoof: lmao...who did I scam Zach?
And if you'll look at the first post I wasn't being an ass to you...I've read on here and the guys from NSPL were busting your balls and you were getting your panties in a bunch. You're even crying in another post about how you broke out one time and its all the meters fault.
YOUR THE ONE ACTING ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY AND TALKING DOWN TO EVERYONE DUMB****
I'll make one more point to you then I'll never bother with your defensive ass again...
...whatever we say on here I transfer over to real life...you can act all hardcore and be as much of an idiot as you want on here, but if I see you at a show I won't have a problem knocking you out
Rofl, whatever dude I'll gladly welcome the challenge. If your getting that pissed off over a computer fueled debate then I'll gladly step to you.
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I may take stuff the wrong way sometimes, but if you can't accept that then maybe there shouldn't be any conversation between us.
The funny thing is that I don't act any different in real life and no one goes around knocking me out. Most of the people that I talk to in real life have no problem with me at all. Maybe because it's easier to talk to someone face to face and pick up their sarcasm and not take it the wrong way like I do sometimes online. I think that's the biggest problem. I really have a hard time differentiating what is sarcasm and what's intended to be ment harmful or serious.
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Now I'm going to try to breath and explain something to you which you probobly won't understand...
All the threads I've read are people BUSTING YOUR BALLS...not being dicks or assholes or anything but giving you a hard time messing with you...and then you start whining and crying and making excuses and then they are all laughing their asses off while you keep getting defensive...
Even my first post in this thread was "lol Zach if you'd just leave it alone and show what you can do in the lanes then they wouldn't be busting your balls....
Getting on a website and making paragraph responses and spending your time to do all this stuff just lets everyone laugh at you "
Was not meant in an assholish way, was saying if you'd just shrug them off or smile then they'd leave you alone...
and you responded with "Was there not a 10+ page long epic thread about you ripping off some people in the off topic section that you defended yourself in? Weather you were gulity of what you were accused of or not you defended yourself. I just don't think that your the right person to be comenting on this one.
and...Also Justin I'd rather spend my time online dealing with real issues weather they be conflict or not opposed to saying that I'm going to do this or build that and then not do it.
So I made a post in a semi-helpful manner in which you responded with anger and spite...?
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quote:Originally posted by Nightshade: I may take stuff the wrong way sometimes, but if you can't accept that then maybe there shouldn't be any conversation between us.
The funny thing is that I don't act any different in real life and no one goes around knocking me out. Most of the people that I talk to in real life have no problem with me at all. Maybe because it's easier to talk to someone face to face and pick up their sarcasm and not take it the wrong way like I do sometimes online. I think that's the biggest problem. I really have a hard time differentiating what is sarcasm and what's intended to be ment harmful or serious.
That could be the problem...and if there is a mis-understanding then there shouldn't be a problem.
But the problem is as SOON as you feel threatened or like your being put down you explode without even knowing for sure if there is an issue.
And that could be why these guys are just busting your balls because you take it so hard.
Its just like in elementry school man, the kid that freaked out the most is the one that gets picked on
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I see what your saying here and I know that these guys are laughing at me. I really do know that they are just doing it to get me going, but in turn it motivates me.
I will appologize to you becuase I will say that I took what you were trying to tell me in the wrong way. I honestly thought that you were jumping on their bandwagon trying to poke at me. When you explain it the way that you do and I sit back and read it I see that's not what your intent is. I just figured since we've had confrontations in the past that you wouldn't go out of your way to help me at all and might as well kick me while I'm down so to speak.
Like I will say again my biggest problem from what I can tell happens to be that I may either take out of context what someone is trying to say or I don't pick up on their sarcasm the way they mean it.
I'm sorry for jumping the gun on you and I don't blame you if your still mad at me. Sometimes I don't get what people mean right away and if I hear it twice it makes more sense to me. In this case I didn't hear it twice, I didn't even hear it once but you had to spell it out for me to see. If you still want to hate me that's fine, but I think that I have learned something from you here.
If you really did know the entire story I think that you would agree that some of these guys just don't like me since I switched teams and went to another feared and respected team and got louder with them then on the team I was on before.
I don't need a novel to you to explain it and that's not the important part of this thread really. My only real point was that my technique in bassrace was being criticised by a few that aren't really good at or don't even bassrace from around here. I wanted to point out that what I was doing is no different than quite a few of the best in the world. Then it turned into another semi b!tchfest as usual. I will honestly try my best to not have that happen anymore but old habbits are hard to break. I'm very passionate about my point of view and it takes quite a bit to change my mind. In this case you were able to do that without a ton of effort because it's pretty obvious that I was in the wrong in the situation between us. Thanks for trying to help, I'll try to keep my opinion on things to myself more often.
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