quote:Originally posted by HIT HARD: I have been in the eletronics field sense 1988 and have seen every design from the old class A tube amps to the now day most advanced servo drivers and have spoke with some of the brilliant minds that designed them so where ever you may think your amplifier came from I know where the orginal design came form and where all the components were manufactured. It doesn't make it bad even the low cost amplifiers have a lot of engineering in them by some of the best people you will ever meet. The playing field should be leveled but you can't do that over night. When the MMATS amps popped up on the scene it was the same issue and through all the orginizations it took time to try to clean up. Were you whinning like this when the amps you have were on top?? If you want to drop out then do so gracefully when your on top, that way you wont look like you do now. A SORE LOOSER TRYING TO GET SOMEONE ON HIS SIDE. Instead of bit*hin and whinning about it why don't you send useful thoughts of ways to make the compitions better to help regrow the industry. Most of us have kids so we all know how to change diapers but giving constructive thoughts takes a little more work to give and take.
Don't think you're the only "old guy" on here....
I'm not bitching and whining, the amperage classes don't even apply to me anymore, I'm just pointing out what has happened in the past. If you can't see the injustice in what happened last year at finals, and was allowed, then you're blind.
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No bashing on Stetsom,because I run Stetsom,but I know of an amp,that is basically the same size,as the 2k6d's,but are stronger.I knew about them way before they were even assembled.But had to promise to keep quiet. Gus.....you and I need to talk.
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quote:Originally posted by stratusrt01: Change the name to National Stetsom Pressure League, and call it a day? That's what NSPL is coming to anyways.
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We competitiors are nspl we made nspl but, only one person can stop all of this honestly. We all know it's about a dollar everyone does. But, if this one person steps up and let's everyone what it's gonna be then it's all done.
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so you guys don't think two sundown 1500's can keep up with a 2k6? also zapco 9.0's have a 175 amp fuse rating so 2 of these would be legal in 0-400. and on a 14v batcap that's about 7000 watts. so it's not just the stetsom's than can do that kind of power with low fuse ratings. i can think of three or four others that also can. you just gotta look.
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2 Sundown 1500d's can keep up with a 2K6, but that's 320 amps of fuse rating, so they aren't permitted in the 200 amp classes, you can only run one.
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didn't realize there was a 200 amp class. but still the 9.0 would work, and be very close if not higher than the 2k6. also only a few shops hold shows anymore due to business, and not much return on spl. so stetsom stepping up and sponsoring these shows has helped. why doesn't sundown do this since they seem to "care" so much. i know maxxsonics, pioneer, and others do it in some organizations. maybe you guys could start, and then get more input on the rules at the end of the season. also to think that stetsom designed these amps to circumvent nspl rules is crazy. how much of there 40 million+ gross sales in brazil comes from nspl, dbdrag, or iasca? not enough to matter would be my guess.
quote:Originally posted by dropbottommazda: Im about to put some shows together ...so no worries..
That's good to hear.....real good to hear.
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quote:Originally posted by clkwrkorg36: didn't realize there was a 200 amp class. but still the 9.0 would work, and be very close if not higher than the 2k6. also only a few shops hold shows anymore due to business, and not much return on spl. so stetsom stepping up and sponsoring these shows has helped. why doesn't sundown do this since they seem to "care" so much. i know maxxsonics, pioneer, and others do it in some organizations. maybe you guys could start, and then get more input on the rules at the end of the season. also to think that stetsom designed these amps to circumvent nspl rules is crazy. how much of there 40 million+ gross sales in brazil comes from nspl, dbdrag, or iasca? not enough to matter would be my guess.
we aren't saying they were BUILT to circumvent the rules.
But if you say an amp that people run at less then a 1/4 of an ohm is only a 2 ohm stable amp just so the current draw will be able to put this amp in a lower class, then yes, its circumventing the amp rules.
Jacob could say his new 3000ds are 8 ohm only and they only pull 75 amps, and if you run lower then 8 ohm you void the warranty...and then its the same thing as stetsom is doing now
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the amp really won't run under 2 ohm daily is what i'm trying to say. you might could get away with 1.5, but that's about it. these things were 2ohm way before nspl. since they strap in parallel the 7kd which is 2 2k6d's is one ohm. but each board still sees 2 ohm. and justin if your gonna post on here why not answer the people you owe money's questions first.
quote:Originally posted by clkwrkorg36: why doesn't sundown do this since they seem to "care" so much.
Still a bit too small to fully sponsor shows. Stetsom, IIRC, has been in business for 20 years. It's a bit easier afford to sponsor shows after being in business for 20 years than for 2 years.
I'd love to as I enjoy shows, just wouldn't work financially at this time.
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quote:Originally posted by clkwrkorg36: the amp really won't run under 2 ohm daily is what i'm trying to say. you might could get away with 1.5, but that's about it. these things were 2ohm way before nspl. since they strap in parallel the 7kd which is 2 2k6d's is one ohm. but each board still sees 2 ohm. and justin if your gonna post on here why not answer the people you owe money's questions first.
I've been in contact with everybody I owe money to...why try to turn an amp discussion into something more? I'm past the point of this situation where I'm gonna argue and get upset on the internet though
See, that was something I didn't know is that you couldn't daily the Stetsoms at under 2 ohm. And also that was a good point about the parallel strapping...
But would around 400 amps of draw not make it more like a 4/5000 watt amp instead of an 8k? If it does its power at 2 ohm where its rated 400 amps?
I believe if the amp had a 4/5000 watt sticker on it instead of 8k then this situation would have never occured.
Don't get it twisted with me Ryan, I don't have any personal vendetta against you, Alan, Stetsom, or even Chad ( ). But I know that Nick Wright did this EXACT same thing in MECA when the 20.1s came out and basically made MECA totally reconfigure the way the classes were structured.
Nick said the amps were to be played at 2 ohms only, and rated them 900 watts at 2 ohms. But you could run them at .25 and get 3k+ out of them. Then meca went to fuses, I have friends that compete in NSPL and I don't want to see this org go the same way MECA did.
But to try to pick a fight with me because I posted a thought? Just have a dicussion and lets not let it get dirty
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Don't get it twisted with me Ryan, I don't have any personal vendetta against you, Alan, Stetsom, or even Chad ( )
Nor do I.
Everyone here knows what I do for a living, so I may get out of hand once in a while.
I have no dog in the discussion at hand, but I do hope Fred is reading all these comments and comes to an amicable conclusion for all parties involved.
NSPL is a very fair organization and the majority of competitors are happy with Freds decisions.
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the amp is a 2200 watt amp at 12v and 2ohm. they were originally made for those guys running outside spl in brazil, with the huges stacks of speakers and horns. and at 1ohm the 7kd is less than 5000 watts. probably closer 4k on 12v.
quote:Originally posted by clkwrkorg36: the amp really won't run under 2 ohm daily is what i'm trying to say. you might could get away with 1.5, but that's about it. these things were 2ohm way before nspl. since they strap in parallel the 7kd which is 2 2k6d's is one ohm. but each board still sees 2 ohm. and justin if your gonna post on here why not answer the people you owe money's questions first.
I've been in contact with everybody I owe money to...why try to turn an amp discussion into something more? I'm past the point of this situation where I'm gonna argue and get upset on the internet though
See, that was something I didn't know is that you couldn't daily the Stetsoms at under 2 ohm. And also that was a good point about the parallel strapping...
But would around 400 amps of draw not make it more like a 4/5000 watt amp instead of an 8k? If it does its power at 2 ohm where its rated 400 amps?
I believe if the amp had a 4/5000 watt sticker on it instead of 8k then this situation would have never occured.
Don't get it twisted with me Ryan, I don't have any personal vendetta against you, Alan, Stetsom, or even Chad ( ). But I know that Nick Wright did this EXACT same thing in MECA when the 20.1s came out and basically made MECA totally reconfigure the way the classes were structured.
Nick said the amps were to be played at 2 ohms only, and rated them 900 watts at 2 ohms. But you could run them at .25 and get 3k+ out of them. Then meca went to fuses, I have friends that compete in NSPL and I don't want to see this org go the same way MECA did.
But to try to pick a fight with me because I posted a thought? Just have a dicussion and lets not let it get dirty
i can name my amplifiers the way i whants , i like to let you all know that the 8kd is not longer using that name ,we change for 10kd ... is doing that power at 0.5 ohms !is doing 5000 watts at 2 ohms! the 10kd spl series is only for spl competitors , and look like every one here got upset with Ryan and his increlible 162db for single amplifier using 7kd ,you all will die when see what he got with 10kd for 0-400/ and with 2 amps 10kd for 401-1200! than all the bull S##t will get crazy, you guys from sundow just need to build loud cars , we are doing and garantee with 500 watts amp we can beat you guys with 10.000 watts , we know what we doing and we read a lots about car audio and fisics! i sugest you guys just to go work on new box or copy us , Ryan Jeep is allways with the doors open at the shows! than is not secrets! i am real pcccccc with all this talking , you guys like to trashe every one here and allways get on me , can i esk you why???? is because i have the louder car in the planet? or is just because i am from brazil?
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quote:Originally posted by Alan Dante: you all will die when see what he got with 10kd for 0-400/ and with 2 amps 10kd for 401-1200!
0-400 I predict a 164.2,and 401-1200 I predict a 166.4.My calculations are always on point
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quote:Originally posted by clkwrkorg36: the amp really won't run under 2 ohm daily is what i'm trying to say. you might could get away with 1.5, but that's about it. these things were 2ohm way before nspl. since they strap in parallel the 7kd which is 2 2k6d's is one ohm. but each board still sees 2 ohm. and justin if your gonna post on here why not answer the people you owe money's questions first.
I've been in contact with everybody I owe money to...why try to turn an amp discussion into something more? I'm past the point of this situation where I'm gonna argue and get upset on the internet though
See, that was something I didn't know is that you couldn't daily the Stetsoms at under 2 ohm. And also that was a good point about the parallel strapping...
But would around 400 amps of draw not make it more like a 4/5000 watt amp instead of an 8k? If it does its power at 2 ohm where its rated 400 amps?
I believe if the amp had a 4/5000 watt sticker on it instead of 8k then this situation would have never occured.
Don't get it twisted with me Ryan, I don't have any personal vendetta against you, Alan, Stetsom, or even Chad ( ). But I know that Nick Wright did this EXACT same thing in MECA when the 20.1s came out and basically made MECA totally reconfigure the way the classes were structured.
Nick said the amps were to be played at 2 ohms only, and rated them 900 watts at 2 ohms. But you could run them at .25 and get 3k+ out of them. Then meca went to fuses, I have friends that compete in NSPL and I don't want to see this org go the same way MECA did.
But to try to pick a fight with me because I posted a thought? Just have a dicussion and lets not let it get dirty
i can name my amplifiers the way i whants , i like to let you all know that the 8kd is not longer using that name ,we change for 10kd ... is doing that power at 0.5 ohms !is doing 5000 watts at 2 ohms! the 10kd spl series is only for spl competitors , and look like every one here got upset with Ryan and his increlible 162db for single amplifier using 7kd ,you all will die when see what he got with 10kd for 0-400/ and with 2 amps 10kd for 401-1200! than all the bull S##t will get crazy, you guys from sundow just need to build loud cars , we are doing and garantee with 500 watts amp we can beat you guys with 10.000 watts , we know what we doing and we read a lots about car audio and fisics! i sugest you guys just to go work on new box or copy us , Ryan Jeep is allways with the doors open at the shows! than is not secrets! i am real pcccccc with all this talking , you guys like to trashe every one here and allways get on me , can i esk you why???? is because i have the louder car in the planet? or is just because i am from brazil?
quote:Originally posted by clkwrkorg36: the amp really won't run under 2 ohm daily is what i'm trying to say. you might could get away with 1.5, but that's about it. these things were 2ohm way before nspl. since they strap in parallel the 7kd which is 2 2k6d's is one ohm. but each board still sees 2 ohm. and justin if your gonna post on here why not answer the people you owe money's questions first.
I've been in contact with everybody I owe money to...why try to turn an amp discussion into something more? I'm past the point of this situation where I'm gonna argue and get upset on the internet though
See, that was something I didn't know is that you couldn't daily the Stetsoms at under 2 ohm. And also that was a good point about the parallel strapping...
But would around 400 amps of draw not make it more like a 4/5000 watt amp instead of an 8k? If it does its power at 2 ohm where its rated 400 amps?
I believe if the amp had a 4/5000 watt sticker on it instead of 8k then this situation would have never occured.
Don't get it twisted with me Ryan, I don't have any personal vendetta against you, Alan, Stetsom, or even Chad ( ). But I know that Nick Wright did this EXACT same thing in MECA when the 20.1s came out and basically made MECA totally reconfigure the way the classes were structured.
Nick said the amps were to be played at 2 ohms only, and rated them 900 watts at 2 ohms. But you could run them at .25 and get 3k+ out of them. Then meca went to fuses, I have friends that compete in NSPL and I don't want to see this org go the same way MECA did.
But to try to pick a fight with me because I posted a thought? Just have a dicussion and lets not let it get dirty
i can name my amplifiers the way i whants , i like to let you all know that the 8kd is not longer using that name ,we change for 10kd ... is doing that power at 0.5 ohms !is doing 5000 watts at 2 ohms! the 10kd spl series is only for spl competitors , and look like every one here got upset with Ryan and his increlible 162db for single amplifier using 7kd ,you all will die when see what he got with 10kd for 0-400/ and with 2 amps 10kd for 401-1200! than all the bull S##t will get crazy, you guys from sundow just need to build loud cars , we are doing and garantee with 500 watts amp we can beat you guys with 10.000 watts , we know what we doing and we read a lots about car audio and fisics! i sugest you guys just to go work on new box or copy us , Ryan Jeep is allways with the doors open at the shows! than is not secrets! i am real pcccccc with all this talking , you guys like to trashe every one here and allways get on me , can i esk you why???? is because i have the louder car in the planet? or is just because i am from brazil?
See this makes my point...a 10,000 watt amp in a class that is supposed to draw less then 400 amps...You guys HONESTLY don't see anything wrong with that?
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I think Fred should just throw a clamp meter on a vehicle, if it draws more then 150% the class rating it gets bumped up. Would make it super legal that way
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WELL HERES MY TAKE ON THIS..MOST AMPS ARE MORE EFFECIENT THAN OTHERS..BUT AT THE SAME TIME..THERE TRADE OFFS TO MAKE A REALLY REALLY EFFICENT AMP
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quote:Originally posted by 80INCHES: WELL HERES MY TAKE ON THIS..MOST AMPS ARE MORE EFFECIENT THAN OTHERS..BUT AT THE SAME TIME..THERE TRADE OFFS TO MAKE A REALLY REALLY EFFICENT AMP
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But this amp isn't efficient...its just rated at 2 ohms
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