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lol and the biggest problem in Street remains...double stacked amps. 3 years and running. When will we fix this?
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im gonna have to agree with the guys opposed to dual board amps in street, or atleast street A. It circumvents the rules making it possible to run the same amp (amps) in street A as street B. The only thing left to do if dual amps are legal in street A is to return to a strapped pair in street A
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quote:Originally posted by Tinted: lol and the biggest problem in Street remains...double stacked amps. 3 years and running. When will we fix this?
How do you propose we fix this issue? What is the difference between 2 boards (one on top of the other) and 2 boards (side by side)?
Serious question...
Remember, it is a legitimate manufacturing solution to use two boards in a common heatsink. I did this many times as an engineer at Orion and Rockford. For example, if you make a 100 watt amp, you can put two of these boards in a common heatsink and voila... instant 200 (or 400 watt amp).
Sometimes the simple issues are the most difficult to solve.
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For SS classes 2 conductors and 2 amps max per sub fixes the issue, it allows people to slave amps to keep up with the dual board amps and removing their advantage.
As far as dual stack amps in street, they only add to the problem of the cost to compete and if the amp is clearly dual amps slaved together in one case then it should NOT be allowed.
IF the company can PROVE to Wayne that the 2 separate boards will not work independantly then I say allow it. Wayne and most other people Judging shows can look at an amp inside and SEE if it is 2 amps or if it truly is an amp build properly and not to ruin the spirit of competition.
Also limit power wire to one run of 1/0 positive and one run of 1/0 negative. Read what I posted in the judges section if you need a better explanation.
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quote:Originally posted by Tinted: lol and the biggest problem in Street remains...double stacked amps. 3 years and running. When will we fix this?
How do you propose we fix this issue? What is the difference between 2 boards (one on top of the other) and 2 boards (side by side)?
Serious question...
Remember, it is a legitimate manufacturing solution to use two boards in a common heatsink. I did this many times as an engineer at Orion and Rockford. For example, if you make a 100 watt amp, you can put two of these boards in a common heatsink and voila... instant 200 (or 400 watt amp).
Sometimes the simple issues are the most difficult to solve.
this has been suggest before,
Suggestion 1:
if two of these amps can not be used in Street B without violating the conductor rule then the amp can not be used in Street A.
Suggestion 2:
if its a class D amp and is not strappable then it can not be used in Street A.
Suggestion 3:
if it is clearly a dual mono block amp, and most of the time it is very clear, it can not be used in Street A
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all 3 suggestion are acceptable for me.If i had to choose i would go for No 1
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Limit wire runs in street class. This would make it more affordable in 2 ways. Less copper and smaller amps.
A- 2 0/1 B- 4 0/1 C- 6 0/1
People would have far less wire needed and much less chance of a short trying to get all that wire though the fire wall.
This would also solve the dual board issue.
I can't see any easyer way to fix this.
Also I agree with Db Don on 2 conductors per sub. This would also remove the dual board amps as a cheater threat. If it can't strap then only 1 per sub can be used.
Also does NW get the amps limit change as well..I sure hope so.
I would like to see a limit imposed on amps in SS though. Say 4 amps in 1-3. No need to buy 3 subs to keep up if power can not be incressed.
Also limit to 8 amps in 3+ but 2 conductors per sub.
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well i am glade that the rules are out now.
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you didnt read the update on the db drag part of the forum its ss 1-2 and 3+ for the 2009 season
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Yes but in the 1st post, there is SS 1-3 and SS 4+. In the matrix there is SS 1-2 and SS 3+
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quote:Originally posted by Cactus Sounds: Yes but in the 1st post, there is SS 1-3 and SS 4+. In the matrix there is SS 1-2 and SS 3+
thats what i mean
the classes where finished
and then there is a change
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