Kinda sucks...but I understand. One class simplifies things. Scores were within +/- 3db of each (typical 2x power results)
factory battery fuse at the battery budget minded equipment no walls and such like in professional classes
Okay I'm game...what dictates "budget mined equipment"? The rest makes sense.
one year of competition and you move up to street
Ahh send them to the wolves lol. Don't know how this is gonna play out...no one likes being 'forced' to move up. Expect opposition
any vehicle allowed mini vans crx......whatever
not bad idea (really like it) but some vehicles will have an advantage over others. Expect opposition
no walls multiple runs of wire no aeroports and custom made stuff like that
don't know how this will work...aeroports are commercially available and some companies use this style of port in their boxes. Might have an issue. The multiple power run limits. may work...just limit it to up to 1 run of 1/0 power and ground from battery
no amp lists or sub lists
Makes sense a lot simpler/easier (if examples are given). If not might have issues with what gear can be used. Expect opposition
prefab boxes and such like that
Hmmmm might be interesting...I still like the choice of either prefab or build it myself
one sub amp up to 1000 watts
I like this idea...ALOT!! Should be fun
how will there be problems and how can we avoid them ?
No one is going to be truly happy with all the proposed ideas. I like the ideas with a few exceptions. The few issues are with what gear is to be used? List examples of what you as judges are looking for in this class...that way all the 'grey' areas should be eliminated
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quote:Originally posted by psychoacoustics: quick ideas
street stock 1 class no a and b Sounds fine. factory battery fuse at the battery budget minded equipment no walls and such like in professional classes Factory battery? Even the smallest system people add a yellow, red, blue top. Or small stinger batt. one year of competition and you move up to street Why? As long as there are class restrictions why limit time? any vehicle allowed mini vans crx......whatever The panda, crx, and cargo vehicles have clear advantages over the other 99% of cars. Get em out. no walls multiple runs of wire no aeroports and custom made stuff like that So you want to stop creativity and use dumb prefab boxes. Why have the class? no amp lists or sub lists No list is good. Just make guidelines to follow. So what if the rf t10001 does more power. Buy it yourself then. prefab boxes and such like that one sub amp up to 1000 watts Prefab is dumb and shops make more money on custom boxes. 2000rms is a good power spot. what's the thoughts on this?
how will there be problems and how can we avoid them ? [/qb]
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This is probably the hardest part of the equation. Just make it as simple as you can....make it 1000 watts period(as an example). Yes there are going to be a wide range of prices for gear (ie: RF punch 1000-1bd VS Alpine MRP-M1000 $650 and $400 respectively (Best buy.com) ). People are going to get the best they can within the class limits.
As for price the used gear is going to be a valuable option for many in this class..so you can't use that alone. The best way is to limit power to the amp by not allowing multi runs. Limit it to say 1 run of 1/0 (power and ground) max from battery to amp or distribution center (some amps have multipower inputs (ie: crossfire vr2000D or autotek model 333 )
Trying to find a happy compromise because I want to start building and testing.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Prodigy Mike: i hope the rules get one soon!!!
Hey mike thinking of joining this class?
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I would think about it because of the cost, but I will leave it alone for now. I am more of a bass racer anyway. Im just getting ready for SBN and would like to see the rules for all classes done before we go down.
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quote:Originally posted by Team Prodigy Mike: I would think about it because of the cost, but I will leave it alone for now. I am more of a bass racer anyway. Im just getting ready for SBN and would like to see the rules for all classes done before we go down.
Have the rules ever been done in time to build for sbn?
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I say limit to 1/0 power and ground but specify what the max diameter of the conductor and verify at show with multimeter. This will prevent people from running 2 power and using body grounds. The diameter spec is because not all 1/0 is the same size. AWG shows 1/0 as 0 0.3249 inches.
Clarify the rules on playing music and what material needs to be used at multipoint shows.
Make folks cover their boxes with something. I can't think of a shop that lets enclosures go out the door without some kind of covering. Call me oldschool but I started in this when no one would go to a show in the wood look.
equiptment needs to be mounted not just thrown in.
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prefab boxes and no aero ports? are you joking me? you do know that some prefab boxes come WITH aero ports.
you gotta let people make their own boxes man, all the kids here make their own shiit. what are you gonna tell them when they get to finals? Sorry you gotta go home?
1 year limit? lol ghay. you cant force someone going from $1000 max budget to $5000 average budet just to be close to competative.
you got to have two classes. you got to have power limitation, but not per class, make it same for both classes. classification should be done by number/size of subs.
allow only one run of positive and one run of negative. dont limit the wire size. dont require fuses.
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quote:Originally posted by Tinted: prefab boxes and no aero ports? are you joking me? you do know that some prefab boxes come WITH aero ports.
you gotta let people make their own boxes man, all the kids here make their own shiit. what are you gonna tell them when they get to finals? Sorry you gotta go home?
1 year limit? lol ghay. you cant force someone going from $1000 max budget to $5000 average budet just to be close to competative.
you got to have two classes. you got to have power limitation, but not per class, make it same for both classes. classification should be done by number/size of subs.
allow only one run of positive and one run of negative. dont limit the wire size. dont require fuses.
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I can't think of any car I ever installed in for a customer that didn't have fusing in it. It is a liability for shop owners to not put them in.
I think you should have to have a safe install in street stock the way any shop or kid would install a system.
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I am heading to CES in a little while and I will talk to Wayne about what was posted and see if we can't get something going right after CES. I personally like having a fuse or circut breaker within 12" of the battery. I am also a fan of the stamped frame and maybe a 2" VC limit on the woofers. as far as testing any new amps I don't feel that should be a problem. I can do that on site. We would just have to make a universal way that all the judges can do at a show if there is a question about an amp. I have mixed feelings about two classes. We are over poluted with classes as it is, but it will still give another person a second stepping stone. I agree with no CRX, van, or Panda. I think for sure we will need to limit the power and ground wires to a single run of 0/1. We should take a good look at what size amps retailers are selling to make the decision on where the limit should be, I think it should be around 1500wrms, but that is just me. And I really don't like the prefab box idea that limits what a retailer can sell to a potential customer. I hope you guys find my comments usefull and we can get this class going this year later Doug
quote:Originally posted by psychoacoustics: quick ideas
"street stock 1 class no a and b"
That does not sound good. Because in my mind as the rule are now, there is a real big difference between Street Stock A and B. I realize that the numbers do not reflect that as of now, but remember that that class is not filling up yet.
"factory battery fuse at the battery"
I do not understand that comment, because in my wifes expedition, that is setup for Street Stock B, it is fused at the battery, and the stock fuse is still intact.
"budget minded equipment"
The equipment in my wife's expedition falls under all the rules, as it stands now. As a rather seasoned veteran, I got consumer minded equipment, for my wife, just so that she can compete in the class.
"no walls and such like in professional classes"
I see no problem with that, it only makes sense.
"one year of competition and you move up to street"
Let's be honest, we all know what really happened back in early 2002.
"any vehicle allowed mini vans crx......whatever"
I am an owner of a Street A CRX, and I kinda have no problems with not letting them compete.
"no walls"
Yes to me no walls
"multiple runs of wire"
I purposely ran just one 1/0 power wire, just so that I was within the rules, or possibly questionable issues.
"no aeroports"
Are you SERIOUS????
"and custom made stuff like that"
Yes I think no custom subs, or amps, strictly off the shelf items
"no amp lists or sub lists"
There was nothing wrong with the "strictly consumer" type of products. An example, would be like walking into Circuit City and purchasing a set of Kicker L7's.
"prefab boxes and such like that one sub amp up to 1000 watts"
Let's get serious.....
"what's the thoughts on this?"
^^ABOVE^^
how will there be problems and how can we avoid them ?
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quote:Originally posted by Scubaguy: I am heading to CES in a little while and I will talk to Wayne about what was posted and see if we can't get something going right after CES. I personally like having a fuse or circut breaker within 12" of the battery. I am also a fan of the stamped frame and maybe a 2" VC limit on the woofers. as far as testing any new amps I don't feel that should be a problem. I can do that on site. We would just have to make a universal way that all the judges can do at a show if there is a question about an amp. I have mixed feelings about two classes. We are over poluted with classes as it is, but it will still give another person a second stepping stone. I agree with no CRX, van, or Panda. I think for sure we will need to limit the power and ground wires to a single run of 0/1. We should take a good look at what size amps retailers are selling to make the decision on where the limit should be, I think it should be around 1500wrms, but that is just me. And I really don't like the prefab box idea that limits what a retailer can sell to a potential customer. I hope you guys find my comments usefull and we can get this class going this year later Doug
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Why not just leave the classes as they are, just get rid of the approved lists. Make it so any amp can be used as long as it's not modified and will fit the power class. You could try the 2" coil limit, but you'd still need a list of subs that have a 2" coil. Stamped baskets are a decent idea, but what about the Alpine Type R's, those can be bought at Best Buy just like the lower class stamped basket subs.
I understand keeping crx's and Panda's out, but is there really a gain with a van?
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