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For 2008, the Street Stock and Street Divisions will be limited to using batteries that fit our definition for a "standard" battery.
Currently, the requirement is as follows...
12 Volt
6 Cell (connected in series)
Lead Acid or Gel-Type
650 cubic inch or 800 cubic inch (depending on class
Designed for automotive use
Evidently many competitors have been using batteries whose primary function is NOT automotive use. (Telecom for instance).
I feel pretty good about all of these requirements. However, I would like to see how contestants feel about the "designed for automotive use" requirement.
[ 02-27-2008, 09:31 AM: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]
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I think the big issue here is the grey area that everyone complains about when discussing the rules.
I understand peoples frustrations, but I also see this as a fairly black & white situation.
The NSB-90 is a telecom battery, the NSB g-3100 is an automotive battery. If an exception is made for the NSB batteries then there will eventually be another company who tries to fit in to this same loop-hole.
The desire by competitors and manufacturers to sneak within certain boundaries has always been the biggest downfall of this sport.
There was a rule to classify people based on wattage - so cheater amps were created.
There was a rule about amplifier quantities - so multi-board amps were created.
There was a rule about speaker size - so square speakers were made.
There was a rule about batteries - so multi-cells were made.
Every time the rules get tested and these items are allowed it's basically pushing the street classes one step further away from a normal system that a regular person can use to compete with.
A person who isn't familiar with the sport would never think of a telecom battery in a million years.
Why not just consider it as a blessing that Northstar will create an automotive version of the NSB for us to be able to use rather than try to force dbDRA to change it's rules and allow something that is against the intent of the rules?
When the rules are black & white (and enforced that way!) it's a heck of a lot easier to stay legal rather than always fighting to find the grey areas.
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quote:Originally posted by JordyO: A person who isn't familiar with the sport would never think of a telecom battery in a million years.
If i understand u right u are saying that no normal customers will be using telecom battery? If its so, its totally different in germany Here many (almost all) people using telecom batteries who are a bit more familar with car-hifi. The reason is that automotive labeled batteries are a way to expensive in the most cases.
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Its going to be so hard to sniff out the batteries that are "labled" telecoms, and then sometimes not "labled" telecoms in a years time....
If 6 cell batts "labled" as telecoms are not allowed, then a company will use exactly the same technology, certify it, brand it, and add a nice chunk of unwanted cost back into the battery required....
Telecoms are cheap and safe, but yes dosnt benifit the industry.
6 cells of lead and acid do have a limit. We are about there, and its easy to inforce.
Adding the words "automotive" just adds a very large can of un-needed worms to the issue!
An "Automotive" Hawker 2150 is such a small amount away from a NSB90, its just not worth it!
The kid on the street will have the 2150, the hardcore the NSB, but maybe for 0.1db if that, it wont cripple the sport, or the commercial interest
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So based on the voting pool, people who have NSB75 or NSB90 batteries may be screwed!!! You guys are tough!!! You see what is happening, the telecom batteries are cheaper but just as powerful. An NSB90 is about 10 to 20% cheaper than a NSB-G3100. So people are still being weaned out or forced to spend more money than they wanted.
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Why not make a approved battery list for street stock like subs and amps ?
I feel batterys for street should be avabile from parts stores and car audio shops. Make sure it stops there. Make a list of approved batterys from know companys that MAY have a questinable battery...that would rule out ANY gray area or batterys just being relabeled and why not have judges certify any battery in question as to it's intended use as well as where it can be bought at.
My thought isn't to have to list every battery that can be used, but if it's more than a standered over the counter(designed as OE replacment) car battery it should be checked.
Doing this would help keep relabeled batterys out and close off any gray area's. If a judge feels that a battrey shouldn't be used just put it on a "Black List".
Sooner of later competors would play by the rules unless they like wasting money.
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How many Hardcore competitors will be competing in Street Stock? If there is an approved equipment list then there should be a limit on telcom batts.
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Wayne, what do u think generally about having an list of approved batteries for street class.
I really wouldnīt drop the term "automotive". Otherwise u get soon batteries having lithium cells etc. Or some guys might be trying to find very powerful 2 volt cells and put 6 of them into one box. Then u get again the problem we had with multicells and this will kill dbdrag totally.
I my opinion having approved list would be really the best idea and would give every competitor all over the world to have the same chances to use this battery at reasonable price of course.
I would help u out with creating a list.
btw - i havenīt found anything about DOT here in europe
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I really don't see the problem,so my vote is yes,you may use "non" automotive battery's. Why the hell not??? I want one GOOD reason!!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by steffert: I really don't see the problem,so my vote is yes,you may use "non" automotive battery's. Why the hell not??? I want one GOOD reason!!!!!
because of that:
"I really wouldnīt drop the term "automotive". Otherwise u get soon batteries having lithium cells etc. Or some guys might be trying to find very powerful 2 volt cells and put 6 of them into one box. Then u get again the problem we had with multicells and this will kill dbdrag totally."
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quote:Originally posted by steffert: I really don't see the problem,so my vote is yes,you may use "non" automotive battery's. Why the hell not??? I want one GOOD reason!!!!!
Because this is CAR audio competition.
Not 'telecom' audio competition, or 'marine' audio competition.
Car products for car audio competition.
Seems to make sense to me
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