_______________Street Stock__________________ Street stock and Street is going to right directions. For my eyes these changes really make difference for cost of equipments. I all ready can see participating all those young guys who have lots of passion but not all that needed money for expensive setup. This measuring with music is really close what street beater all ready do but if you want to make stock class really competitive you should think about these 2 additions for stock rules. 1. Using music track what is selected by dbdrag. This selected special music track includes all main bass frequencies. 2. Using average measuring instead peak hold. This way to measure gives real good average how loud that car is. If car is builded like normal BOOM car it produces SPL at several frequencies==> good score, but if car is only doing one note then average score is not fancy anymore.
How i know all these facts ? Maybe because we had tried to found last 4 years perfect mini street rules in Finland and now we are using second year this kind of limitations. So after testing different things we found that for normal street beater is best to offer competition with music track(same to all ) and average measuring(30S).
What you will see if you only are using peak hold and competitor selected music track ? This is basically same that using test note. Only difference is that it needs more time to select perfect music track and more time to tune your ultra tight crossover filters(48db/oct). If you want I can wrote more things what i had been measured and tested in past 2 years.
_______________Street MAX__________________ Mixing Smax1-2 to Smax3-4 is not bad idea also if main purpose is dropping classes(closer to magic number 12). Mixing is quite good expression because power amount is like in Smax1-2 but 4 woofers is allowed. _______________Street MAX NW__________________ Also Dropping Amplifier amount down in SSnw is not bad idea if we think about what cost it causes. So it can make this class also more cheaper. Battery setup changes makes me doubts is it good idea at all. Basically you are asking to them take out old 16V setup and put money(even more) to new multicell battery setup(2*1500$). This is not feels right.
_______________SUPER Street__________________ Taking SS1-2 away is BIGGEST mistake(if it happen). I am quite sure that this won't happen and it is not even needed to say that forcing to old SS1-2 cars to double their setup can cause serious loses of competitors count. So why take this kind of risk that lots of competitors will stop their SS career ?
_______________EXT__________________ Taking away ext1 and ext2 classes is also huge mistake. Same simple reason. Stepping up from ext1 to ext4 class is too expensive and in some cases not even possible(too small car, maybe not common problem in US). So why take this kind of risk that lots of competitors will stop their ext career ?
In this point i really want to hear some explanations what is reason that usually in rule changing process first idea is taking away classes what has smallest requirements for cost of equipments ? This is really odd thing, at least i don't see the point for taking SS1-2, ext1 and ext2 away.
And who thinks that keeping SS4,SS5+ ,EXT4 and ext5+ is better idea ? Of course those competitors who had setup all ready in car but would it be better for all of us if minimizing class amount would be done that way that extra cost will be minimized ? I really don't see the point how it will be bad thing if competitor is forced to take stuff out his setup and maybe sell them if another choice is FORCE to bunch of competitors to put huge amount of money to new double or triple setup(If that new setup even fit to car,==too less space). Not even needed to mention that those few competitors how might has think to move up from street to super street might think twice if smallest class is SS4 or Ext4
So if classes amount has to be reduced in SS or Extreme divisions it should be done that way that minimum setup requirments are not going higher than now. And now i mean minimum full setup not 1 sub with 4 amps against 4subs/16amps class. Don't forgot that also huge battery system will be four times bigger in this comparasion.
Once again, who thinks that best way to reduce classes amount is taking away SS1-2, ext1 and ext2 ???
And why we are even trying to think before season that what is best way to reduce class amount. If MAIN problem is finals maybe best way is print to rules that if there is not needed amount of competitors how had enough points for finals then classes will be "Combined". this kind of arangement gives small change for 1 and 2 subs competitors that they might can competing like last year. But they know that there is risk that they will be forced to against 4subs setup. This sounds very brutal way but still it would be better than forcing they up and maybe causing them to quit.
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After long estimation i think that something like this would be best compromise for season 2008. This kind of changes reduces costs of keep class amount less than last year.
Look this picture. You notice that no one is not forced to upgrade their current system. Maybe few competitors can test will upgrading gain their score with limited power amount(Street A, Street max, SSnw). And i think that maybe those guys what are forced to down grade their system will do it and not quit for that reason.
Matrix (D ?)
Street Stock A, 1-4 woofer*, 2 conductor
Street Stock B, 1-8 woofer*, 4 conductor
Street A, 1-4 woofer*, 2 conductor
Street B, 1-8 woofer*, 4 conductor
Streetmax, 1-4 woofer, 2 conductor
SuperStreet nw, 1-4 woofer, 2 conductor
SuperStreet 1-2, no changes from season 2007
SuperStreet 3-4, no changes from season 2007
Extreme 1, no changes from season 2007
Extreme 2, no changes from season 2007
Extreme 3-4, no changes from season 2007
Extreme OS, 1+subs, old school installation
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Good valid points Mikko. I dont think anybody is listening tho. Imagine if every class played music, with 30 sec average? That would be interesting to say the least. I bet that would be good for spectators to watch.
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I like C, but keep SS 1-2Nw (not SM NW) and make SS 1-3, and SS 4+
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quote:Originally posted by augustijnen Peter: there's bass rase for playing music
I remember back in the day when they used to play flashdance, that got us into it. But bass race is a bit different tho. We have tried music in ours on 30 sec average and it does well.
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