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I see and have commented on some of the new class structures but got to thinking about the reasons behind some of them. How about a discussion about what makes it hard for new people to compete that do not include money issues.
140 Rule. I think a lot of new people don't understand why they have to be out of their cars if they are over a 140 but you can bassrace anything and sit inside. With the equiptment today a 140 is easier then it used to be. Many people don't have remotes. Can we look at if we might have outlived this rule?
Class Jumping. I have had to explain the suttle differences to new folks before about why they have the same equiptment as 2 other competitors but each are in their own class. I watch people show up and just jump to the easiest class for easy points. Can we look into going back to needing 50% or more of points in the Finals Class? If someone changes classes with a token mod should the Judge be able to reclassify them?
Overmod for class. You see cars with a non-folding back seat lay down the seat and get bumped up but a vet will just change the seat to a folding type. I have seen kids get bumped to EX because of things like no door panels or visors.
Not understanding the Rulebook. This one sounds easy but isn't. There are a few things that we do not follow that are in the rulebook and some things not in the rulebook that we enforce. I understand that rules clarifications get added all the time, but how do you explain that some areas in the rulebook are optional?
There are 4 off the top of my head. Can anyone add or come up with anymore? This could help in designing the new class structure more then just dropping classes because we feel like it.
-------------------- Just some thoughts from a nobody. Posts: 3633 | From: Lakewood,Ohio | Registered: Aug 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Empire Audio-Mike: I see and have commented on some of the new class structures but got to thinking about the reasons behind some of them. How about a discussion about what makes it hard for new people to compete that do not include money issues.
140 Rule. I think a lot of new people don't understand why they have to be out of their cars if they are over a 140 but you can bassrace anything and sit inside. With the equiptment today a 140 is easier then it used to be. Many people don't have remotes. Can we look at if we might have outlived this rule?
140dB is just as loud today was it was 10 years ago. This is a safty and liability issue
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Class Jumping. I have had to explain the suttle differences to new folks before about why they have the same equiptment as 2 other competitors but each are in their own class. I watch people show up and just jump to the easiest class for easy points. Can we look into going back to needing 50% or more of points in the Finals Class? If someone changes classes with a token mod should the Judge be able to reclassify them?
I just the vehicle how its brought to me. If the engine is running, its Super Street classes. I can not make the person turn off their engine and run a lower class.
Now, if someone places a piece of wood on their dash, well, I donn't care Their NOT extreme. To be extreme, the vehicle has to pass the 30" rod test. Also, to build an extreme vehicle takes time, effort and money. If someone wants to "jump" classes at my show, they have to put forth at least some time and effort into their SS/Extreme vehicle to get points. i require both door panels to be removed AT THE MINIMUM. Most competitors wont go to this much effort and will stay in the class they should be in like SS.
Each promoter is different when it comes to allowing competitors to pick and choose their class. We've all done it sadly enough, but when I do it, I'm more picky about what qualifies them for a certain class.
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Overmod for class. You see cars with a non-folding back seat lay down the seat and get bumped up but a vet will just change the seat to a folding type. I have seen kids get bumped to EX because of things like no door panels or visors.
There is a rule book for a reason. not every rule will fit each particular case or senario. Ultimatly, some competitors will be at a disadvantage and will have to compete in classes they don't want too.
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Not understanding the Rulebook. This one sounds easy but isn't. There are a few things that we do not follow that are in the rulebook and some things not in the rulebook that we enforce. I understand that rules clarifications get added all the time, but how do you explain that some areas in the rulebook are optional?
Each judge views the rule book differently. Each judge has different clarifications and opinions. Judging has gotten alot better over the years. Us "old timers" have been there when alot of these rules were created and understand the intent better than some newer judges. Some rules actually are not that important as others. Rules that effect the SPL or score are very important. Other rules ( like the 140 dB rule ) are less important. As long as the important SPL rules are equally judged from one judge to another I think we have something very consistant.
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There are 4 off the top of my head. Can anyone add or come up with anymore? This could help in designing the new class structure more then just dropping classes because we feel like it.
Wayne's main concern about having less classes is the cost of trophies at events and finals. It was also mentioned that being the only one in your class and getting first place is kinda bogus and there is nothing exciting about that.
I think instead of having less classes, we just combine them more at lower levels and still offer the same ( if not more ) at finals only.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8361 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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Steve Thank you for your input. I understand everything and agree with just about all of it. I have seen some judges be a bit more forgiving on some things and I agree with it,as you pointed out, when it doesn't affect spl.
I also agree with the mods for extreme. If someone doesn't put in the effort then they don't get an easy pass.
The only thing I don't agree with is the 140 rule. The only reason is because we allow it in Bass Race. I think a 30 second avg at 150+ is more dangerous then a kid doing 142.3. Also remember 10 years ago we used mics and now we use sensors
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quote:Originally posted by Empire Audio-Mike: Steve Thank you for your input. I understand everything and agree with just about all of it. I have seen some judges be a bit more forgiving on some things and I agree with it,as you pointed out, when it doesn't affect spl.
I also agree with the mods for extreme. If someone doesn't put in the effort then they don't get an easy pass.
The only thing I don't agree with is the 140 rule. The only reason is because we allow it in Bass Race. I think a 30 second avg at 150+ is more dangerous then a kid doing 142.3. Also remember 10 years ago we used mics and now we use sensors
Your absolutly correct. We need a 140 dB rule in Bass Race. Having competitors be exposed to over 140 dB for a 30 second period of time is dangerous.
So what your saying is we need to change the Bass Race rule to match the dB Drag rule. I totally agree!
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8361 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: [So what your saying is we need to change the Bass Race rule to match the dB Drag rule. !
and then there would be no place for the true street bassers to play, truth of the matter i to was done with db drag till bass race brought the fun back.
quote: Wayne's main concern about having less classes is the cost of trophies at events and finals
sounds like to me only reason rules being messed with at all is to save money for trophies at events to me this is lame look how much money we spend on are systems and time and the fee's we pay to enter shows/comps the cost of trophies should be the last thing to be thought about but thats just my thinking out loud just remeber to newbi's those big trophies are what keeps bringing them back and wanting more
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Still what about the only entry in a class. It's point's but no victory. Isn't the reason for fun ?
I do think that the 140db can be true about hearing damage. 140 at 65hz VS 140 at 35hz. The one will hurt and the other just tickels...but both will cause hearing damage.
I also think some people have taken the sprit a little over board on the money spent think and made it a LOT harder for other to even be compitive. Some one had to 1up the next guy and this is where we are at.....a second job just to have FUN.
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You don't have to spend alot of money to have fun in this hobby (I did it for a few years). You have to spend a decent amount to play with the big boys though.
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The 140db rule may be good for some, but I fell it would be better at 150 db's. As long as it's a rule that a competitor wears hearing protection when sitting in their vehicle I don't see what the big deal is. 10-30 seconds isn't going to damage your hearing, constant exposure will. I have to have hearing tests done at work every 6 months and when I asked about this I was told it wouldn't cause any significant loss. I hardly ever wear any protection and my hearing hasn't changed in the 6 years I've had to be tested.
If Bass Race doesn't require any hearing protection or any db limits on sitting inside then burping shouldn't either. If you think about it, Bass race is 30 seconds, and how long do guys burp, maybe 10-20 seconds at the most?
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