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The following chart shows the breakdown of competitor participation by Class for the 2007 season. Almost half of the competitors participating compete in the Street Division. This tells me that we really shouldn't change things in these classes.
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i would like to see them too i think thru the last years street has grown every year
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I think that with the costs of every thing going up dramatically in the last 18 months like amps, subs, batteries, gas and other competiton related items you will see smaller participation next year.
I also think that, in light of the incredibly high SPL numbers street classes are putting up in the last year with these "super products", you will see less people try to compete because the records are un-acheivable by all but a handful with deep pockets or super deals on there sponsorship.
I think that if you reduce the costs of Street classes, you will see it going up well over the current 50%. I think if you do see more affordable street classes you will not only see more beginners (that can use less expensive equipment) but you will also see more manufacturer participation as well.
I (as a manufacturer) would gladly spend more of our marketing dollars towards individual event sponsorships and trophy sponsorships if I knew that the product was main stream retail rather then high end, esotaric, low volume, low margin products.
Retailers would host more events if the products used in these cars were something they could sell in there stores to the average consumer.
All manufacturers need to see a return on there investment and for us, it's a break even scenario at best right now. It's a loosing proposition for most. (hence...fewer manufacturer sponsors)
You may even get a few mega sponsors like Mountain Dew, Red-Bull, Pioneer, Sony, GM, Toyota, Nissan... if these events drew more consumer attendance and I think consumer attendance is driven by reality. The reality of "I could do that".
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After studying the chart above, I believe we should look at a redistribution of classes. I would like to keep the total number of classes to 10 or less. This will reduce the costs associated with hosting multipoint events and will reduce the overall officiating time (which is important for the "global" events which are coming.)
Please consider the following...
New Class 1 New Class 2 Street A Street B Street C Street Max Super Street 1-2 NW Super Street 1-2 Super Street 3+ Extreme
A breakdown such as this would result in a fairly equal competitor class distribution.
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i like it but i would make ext 1-2 and ext 3+
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I have done spl competitions at many car shows, Most have scores around 135dBs and a few 140s Needs to be a true entry level class i.e.100 dollar subs, 200 dollar amp With at in mind a competition class(s) for a system people can walk into the store and compete with what they get will benefit the store, promoter, dbra, and competitor. Store-selling product Promoter-The store will have the promoter back dbra-more shows and attendance Competitor- Has fun with out getting taking a second on the house.
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: After studying the chart above, I believe we should look at a redistribution of classes. I would like to keep the total number of classes to 10 or less. This will reduce the costs associated with hosting multipoint events
How will this reduce the cost of multipoint events?
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Fewer trophies. For example, if 1st-3rd place trophies are awarded for each class, 39 trophies are required for 13 classes. This number will drop to 30 which will reduce the trophy cost for the event by almost 25%.
This would not be such an issue if the brackets in each class were full. This is rarely the case. You should know this.
There is also an issue of "winning". When a contestant is the only one in his or her class, their "victory" is diluted by the fact that they won simply by showing up. I believe that the victory of winning will have more meaning when it is actually earned.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Fewer trophies. For example, if 1st-3rd place trophies are awarded for each class, 39 trophies are required for 13 classes. This number will drop to 30 which will reduce the trophy cost for the event by almost 25%.
This would not be such an issue if the brackets in each class were full. This is rarely the case. You should know this.
This is of course if your a retailer buying trophies. My dealers pay 1 fee and this includes all trophies for the event whether their handed out or not. I simply bring back the unused trophies and use them at an upcoming event. Good thing is, I will have less trophies to build for the next upcoming show.
Saving the retailer money all boils down to each individual promoters price structure.
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If we can reduce the trophy count that would be great.
Your method for trophies Steve is great (can you beleive I just said that?) and I would like to see it work this way when a manufacturer does a trophy sponsorship. We pay for all of the trophies and have our name on a trophy placque and when we buy 39 tropies for SPl and 12 more for Bass Race, I would love to get money back for the trophies not used when classes are not full. Considering that the promoter can simply remove the placque and re-use the trophy at another event.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: After studying the chart above, I believe we should look at a redistribution of classes. I would like to keep the total number of classes to 10 or less. This will reduce the costs associated with hosting multipoint events and will reduce the overall officiating time (which is important for the "global" events which are coming.)
Please consider the following...
New Class 1 New Class 2 Street A Street B Street C Street Max Super Street 1-2 NW Super Street 1-2 Super Street 3+ Extreme
A breakdown such as this would result in a fairly equal competitor class distribution.
If changes are not made to make Street Classes less expensive to be competitve, I would also like to see two new classes as you suggest. I would hope that they would be heavily promoted and given the status of importance as Street classes to ensure high participation.
The catagory names I think will be crucial to give the new classes a good status.
Personally, I don't like names such as "mini" or "entry" or other names which will indicate a low class.
Perhaps "Street Legal 1 (SL-1)" and "Street Legal 2 (SL-2)" or some thing desriptive of the status.
Perhaps a "name that class" contest for $50.00?
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How about "Real Street"? I do agree, even though Street Classes accounted for almost half of the competitors for 2007, how many total competitors were there? Revamping Street, or adding newer classes could make is half of a much larger number.
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make a mini street class with fuses and call it Street Fuze ! lol
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If theres one extreme class were done dbdrag. I hope you can make your mind up soon so we can start ripping stuff out to sell. I was thinking 3 extreme classes imo, ex 1-2 ex 3-4 ans ex 5plus.
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