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there is a way to fix everything with out changing anything.
what if te software the does the dbdrag score keeping was altered to take an average of more that the top 3 frequency's
what if it was made to run an average of 2-3 octaves
for instance 20 40 and 80 hz (3 octaves) or 30 and 60 (2 octaves)
the frequency's could be discussed before the change in the software is made so everyone can just download the update from some dbdrag server somewhere
the rules stay the same the scores drop on an even keel everyone is handicapped at the same rate and the guys that have a prefab box that is tuned for music and plays nominally flat has just as good of a chance to do good.????????
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To me it seems like everytime we recude to classes in SS and EX we lose more competitors instead of driving them to combined classes. This causes the chain reaction where we see less competitors in those comined classes the following year and then they get reduced again.
Look at the trend we went from a few in 13+, a few in 9-12, and a few in 5-8 to next VERY few in the now 5+
Reducing those classes takes away people chance for a decent finish in finals which is what some smaller, ess experience and possibly less fortunate competitors need to get the drive to take it to the next level.
My suggestion is as follows
Street A same as street b but with a limit on battery. Street B same as street C but again with a battery limit.
Street A as it is today was introduced as a class for beginners, it has never been the case and therefore isnt serving the purpose it was originally intended for. Its not far from the cost of Street B nor are the numbers.
Leave Street Max as it is with the addition of new battery requirements.
In both Street and Street Max we need to do something about the multicell batteries. There is noway around them as the rules stand. Only thing I can come up with is a weight limit on batteries. As stupid as it sounds it something that cannot be cheated on. Find a median weight of an average group 34 battery and stick to it while outlawing the $1000+ multicells and li-ion that will be here before long.
Superstreet 1-2 and 1-2nw seem to have a great turnout, so its hard to say do away with NW. 3-4 and 5+ had a mimimal turnout. However how much of that is do to the new finals format and people sitting out the first year to see how it goes. I for one would hate to see those classes combined. IF we cant leave SS like it is than I do like the idea one of the sound mechanic guys made I believe it was 1-2, 3-6, and 7+ or something similar to that.
Extreme I think there is no choice but combine ex 1 and ex 2. Like street A, Ex 1 was intended to draw people into extreme with minimal investment, we all know that didnt happen. Even though the opportunity is there for it few are doing it. Therefore make it EX 1-2, EX 3-4 and 5+
Granted that still leave more than the 10 classes Wayne was leaning toward however I think its a good idea. If we continue to reduce the Ex and SS before long there wont be one and the number we love to see out of the vehicle will be forgot about.
Bring back Mini-street like so many have said and leave it out of finals. That idea worked well before and there no reason not to bring it back.
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: Street Class fixes:
Limit types of batteries-- agreed
Limit runs of power wire--disagree someone will just have to buy 4/0, if we limit it to 1/0 someone will distribute a "larger" 1/0
Limit # of amplifers--- agree
Use MSRP limits--- someone will find a loophole, just because a manufacture lists an msrp doesnt mean it has to sell at that it can go either higher or lower.
Restrict types of vehicles---disagree
Lower frequency limit---agree
Longer "burp" time ---undecided
More "averaged" frequencys ( instead of 3 ) for Peak SPL could work
Amp size dementions ---- afraid ti will just turn into who can produce the most power in the smallest package and that wont be cheap
Limit experience has not worked in the past
Bring back Mini Street-- amen
Reduce the number of points-- dont see it changing much
Combine Classes
Creat Classes
All the above
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quote:Originally posted by psychoacoustics: 155+140=195 195/2 97.5db
its an average of the 2
Might want to do some rethinking on that ...
quote:Originally posted by psychoacoustics: but it will bring back stereos that people listen to .
This "sport" has nothing to do with stereo's that people "listen" too.
If you want that ... you need Soung Quality.
i don't "want that " but if the major bitch is everyday local guys wont compete its because of their systems wont make the cut, they have ones they listen to and dbdraggers don't
this would even the playing field thats all
and i like the grade on a curve idea, i have thought about that before, it could work nicely!
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I say 2 new street classes.Limits on equiptment on need fuses. If no fuses then bump to higher class. Let cars run at idle.
Street A,B,C - same rules but go to 2 classes and only 1 battery. Limits of amplifiers and batteries.
SM 1-2 and 3-4 - combine them. Allow up to 4 amplifiers and 2 batteries. No limits on woofers
SS NW - No Floor cuts and no limits on number of woofers.
SS 1-2 Leave as is
SS 3-4 Leave as is
SS 5-8 Bring back a classic!
SS 9+ Bring back a classic!
EX-Base it on cabin. Have a class based on the current rules and another on the old 2 people can fit rules. It will bring back some crazy designs and maybe bring some of the old ex guys back to dB Drag.
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2006 Street A - 152.7 Certified 2007 Street C - 154.8 Certified 2007 Street A - 154.4 Certified 2008 Street B - 155.5 Certified 2008 Street C - 156.2 Certified
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yeah, sorry. lots of sleepless nights. This 2-3am shiz has got to stop!
I fixed it, also fixed SS3+ instead of 3-4
New Street 1 ( Street A with 1 amp, 50hz limit, fuses, 1 strain of power wire per amp,limit batteries to AGM or lead acid types no multi cells) New Street 2 ( Street B with 1/2 conductors [ 2 amps ], 50hz limit, fuses, 1 strain of power wire per amp,limit batteries to AGM or lead acid types no multi cells) Pro Street A ( Street A with 1 amp) Pro Street B ( Street B with 1/2 the conductors[ 2 amps]) Pro Street C ( Street C with 1/2 the conductors[ 4 amps]) Street Max ( Combine 1-2 and 3-4 ) Allow up to 4 amplifiers ( 8 conductors )and 2 batteries. No limits on woofers Super Street 1-2 No Wall Super Street 1-2 Super Street 3+ Extreme ( 1 class ) Monster ( anything goes )
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8334 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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i was asking because there is no rule on battery conductors but there is a rule on conductors to the speakers
so how would you take the rule and 1/2 it?
although 1/2 of the conductors to the woofers would make a change in B and C but in A there would be a problem how do you get a woofer to work with only one conductor?
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: yeah, sorry. lots of sleepless nights. This 2-3am shiz has got to stop!
I fixed it, also fixed SS3+ instead of 3-4
New Street 1 ( Street A with 1 amp, 50hz limit, fuses, 1 strain of power wire per amp,limit batteries to AGM or lead acid types no multi cells) New Street 2 ( Street B with 1/2 conductors [ 2 amps ], 50hz limit, fuses, 1 strain of power wire per amp,limit batteries to AGM or lead acid types no multi cells) Pro Street A ( Street A with 1 amp) Pro Street B ( Street B with 1/2 the conductors[ 2 amps]) Pro Street C ( Street C with 1/2 the conductors[ 4 amps]) Street Max ( Combine 1-2 and 3-4 ) Allow up to 4 amplifiers ( 8 conductors )and 2 batteries. No limits on woofers Super Street 1-2 No Wall Super Street 1-2 Super Street 3+ Extreme ( 1 class ) Monster ( anything goes )
How about keep Streetmax 1-2 seperate and just change Streetmax 3-4 to Streetmax 3+ but only allow a maximum of 8 amps? So maybe someone can run 6 15's with 6 amps? I personally would like to run 12 12s and 6 amps or 6 15s and 6 amps.
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i think super street needs to be left the way it is it is not meant for the normal person coming off the street but then again come on putting us all in the same class is also bull alot of us have built are system already and i be dam i'm going to redo it again to have a chance in hell against someone with 6+ speakers in a full size fan i don't have the space or the money to do this so i guess if these rules change to add all Super street together this will be it for me last year was my first year is SS 3-4 and this i guess will be my last and i was sure hoping to be a lifer too love DB drag and all the people i have become friends with but sry i'm not going to buy another vehicle and rebuild all again to be able to hang with big ass vans and i know SS is for the big boys but come on i built my truck just for SS 3-4 not 5+
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