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Here in Slovenia we have Mini street classes for beginers! mini street A, mini street B, pro mini street A and pro mini street B! Depending on a sistem. And when the competitor makes over 145 in mini street or 150 in mini street pro, then he is moved in offical street class!
This classes are always full and very interesting to watch! And fun for beginers becouse they get trophies and prizes!
The offical street clases are fine how they are! You just add two classes whit 50hz limit, if you have to! If you change the rules many guys will stop competeing! I was testing for 2 years for this score! I dont have the time, money, nerves to do all again!
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what do you mean... I'm doing 51.5... If it aint broke don't fix it..
what you want to do will not help newcomers into the sport... you need to introduce classes that cater to a REAL street system... so somebody can drive in listening to music, BURP win a trophy and drive home..
The current st classes are great just not very beginner friendly, no matter what we do they never will be.
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I think this is not an advantage but very hard work!I also have a Marbella but i'm -4db from the WR!In Italy pandas and marbellas are very popular and very very cheap is this the reason why alot of people buy this car!if i need to buy an expensive car i done db-drag i can't spent alot of money only for the races!I think the best solution is to do new categories for all day cars!and keep in mind in Europe alot of cars are small and have high frequencies!for example the SMART is 78Hz!
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quote:Originally posted by SavageD: seems to be the usual story - the people hitting 158+ in street do not want change at all. they do not want to lose ANY competitive advantage.
I'll be surprised if anything changes. or improves for that matter.
That is exactly the answer i was expecting to read from (forgeive me to say this but accept it;it's true 100%) ignorant!
What makes you believe that a top competitor will loose his edge and wont't beat a newbie with the newly proposed rules? I am telling you that nothing will change...The difference between the Champions and the new comers will always be humongous!!!That is a fact and you have to acept it... And guess what...The same cars that are winning now will be winning again...But i think that it will take a whole season for narrow minded people to realise that... And in the end there will be more money needed to adjust to the new order, than already spent!
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Actually Murilo that is the reason i am posting my opinions so judges can read the competiors' views and adjust their opinions and proposals for rule changes...
If they don't care (a fact that is least expected) then there is no reason for people like us to support dbdrag...
IMHO this is not an option...
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quote:Originally posted by SavageD: seems to be the usual story - the people hitting 158+ in street do not want change at all. they do not want to lose ANY competitive advantage.
I'll be surprised if anything changes. or improves for that matter.
That is exactly the answer i was expecting to read from (forgeive me to say this but accept it;it's true 100%) ignorant!
What makes you believe that a top competitor will loose his edge and wont't beat a newbie with the newly proposed rules? I am telling you that nothing will change...The difference between the Champions and the new comers will always be humongous!!!That is a fact and you have to acept it... And guess what...The same cars that are winning now will be winning again...But i think that it will take a whole season for narrow minded people to realise that... And in the end there will be more money needed to adjust to the new order, than already spent!
thanosdbfan 100% agree with you!!!
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I think it should be limited in power amplifiers and street categories, SA-1 amplifier, 10 kw, 2 conductor. SB-1 amp, 10 kw, 2 conductor SC-2 amps, 15 kw, 4 conductor. The other rules leave them as they are, and that limit is a lot of money lost cables and work already done. there will always be cars that are not pandas or amrbellas that are about 70 hz and small.
I also think it should to bring together some categories, as there is little difference between one and another of dbs, ams serious competitive categories many more trophies, more investment, and empty categories 1 or 2 competitors or anything else. I would now cease CLASSES: SA SB SC Street Max Ss NW Ss 1.2 Ss 3 + Ext 1 Ext 2 +
quote:Originally posted by SavageD: seems to be the usual story - the people hitting 158+ in street do not want change at all. they do not want to lose ANY competitive advantage.
I'll be surprised if anything changes. or improves for that matter.
That is exactly the answer i was expecting to read from (forgeive me to say this but accept it;it's true 100%) ignorant!
What makes you believe that a top competitor will loose his edge and wont't beat a newbie with the newly proposed rules? I am telling you that nothing will change...The difference between the Champions and the new comers will always be humongous!!!That is a fact and you have to acept it... And guess what...The same cars that are winning now will be winning again...But i think that it will take a whole season for narrow minded people to realise that... And in the end there will be more money needed to adjust to the new order, than already spent!
if the top people are still going to be winning, shouldn't they be the ones pushing Wayne/the judges into changing things/adding new classes to get more people into SPL so that it doesn't die? I don't see it in this thread, and I don't see it from you.
I don't expect any noob to beat an experienced competitor. I have absolutely no idea how you managed to come up with that interpretation. my (and others) suggestions were meant to attract new people, not make it so new people with no experience were automatically competitive with the top guys LOL. but if you hook that noob and they keep competing and trying to improve, then someday they just might. the problem is very few new people are being hooked. the root causes of this are what needs to be addressed.
"more money needed to adjust to the new order, than already spent"?? - isn't that exactly what a new person is facing as well?? most will have to go from a daily system to something that likely isn't to be competitive. not cheap.
call me ignorant all you want, I couldn't care less. but it's not hard to see people's personal agendas in their responses here. Murillo said it best - everyone wants to win, nobody wants to lose. most people don't want change because they fear it.
if champions have nothing to fear, then why not come up with (and support) ideas that might bring new people in and gets them hooked? Wayne/judges will listen to those people far more closely than a noob like me.
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quote:Originally posted by charlyaudio: I think it should be limited in power amplifiers and street categories, SA-1 amplifier, 10 kw, 2 conductor. SB-1 amp, 10 kw, 2 conductor SC-2 amps, 15 kw, 4 conductor. The other rules leave them as they are, and that limit is a lot of money lost cables and work already done. there will always be cars that are not pandas or amrbellas that are about 70 hz and small.
I also think it should to bring together some categories, as there is little difference between one and another of dbs, ams serious competitive categories many more trophies, more investment, and empty categories 1 or 2 competitors or anything else. I would now cease CLASSES: SA SB SC Street Max Ss NW Ss 1.2 Ss 3 + Ext 1 Ext 2 +
think it is NO option to change the super street it is ok now
if it has to be changed then make it ss 1-3 and 4+ this is the best and far way
but my opion is this
street A street B street C
in this classes no panda marbella crx but only for new bees
street A pro street B pro street C pro street MAX
super street NO WALL super street 1-2 super street 3-4 super street 5+
extreme 1 extreme 2 extreme 3-4 extreme 5+
same rules like 2009 just make for the new street nice rules for the new bees
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I don't care what car anybody uses a cap of 149.9 then move up means if somebody gets loud, no matter what car no matter what power equipment or runs of cable, they move up.. How hard is that?? Normal rules apply..
No complex judging procedures, no changes needed to move up... Simplicity is key to making this work... If you must cap frequency create a new class but it will not solve anything. Somebody will always excel beyond everybody else. Grow up and get louder.. Or choose another class where it's easier!!
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quote:Originally posted by charlyaudio: I think it should be limited in power amplifiers and street categories, SA-1 amplifier, 10 kw, 2 conductor. SB-1 amp, 10 kw, 2 conductor SC-2 amps, 15 kw, 4 conductor. The other rules leave them as they are, and that limit is a lot of money lost cables and work already done. there will always be cars that are not pandas or amrbellas that are about 70 hz and small.
I also think it should to bring together some categories, as there is little difference between one and another of dbs, ams serious competitive categories many more trophies, more investment, and empty categories 1 or 2 competitors or anything else. I would now cease CLASSES: SA SB SC Street Max Ss NW Ss 1.2 Ss 3 + Ext 1 Ext 2 +
10kW will not work, every Company will then put 10kw on their amps
And again, 2 conductors will also make no difference ~300€....
You can also make UVP limits A 1500$, B 2000$ C 3000$ =500$ for Sub and 1000$ for amp
Than the company makes the deal who delivers you the best amp and sub for the same price And nobody can say, i can´t affort it....
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I understand, but in either case, prices in each country are different, if I had the same prices in the world would be a good option, here in Spain the mini street A, B and C are the same as the street, but with limited budget 1500 € 2000 € 2500 €.
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quote:Originally posted by SavageD: seems to be the usual story - the people hitting 158+ in street do not want change at all. they do not want to lose ANY competitive advantage.
I'll be surprised if anything changes. or improves for that matter.
That is exactly the answer i was expecting to read from (forgeive me to say this but accept it;it's true 100%) ignorant!
What makes you believe that a top competitor will loose his edge and wont't beat a newbie with the newly proposed rules? I am telling you that nothing will change...The difference between the Champions and the new comers will always be humongous!!!That is a fact and you have to acept it... And guess what...The same cars that are winning now will be winning again...But i think that it will take a whole season for narrow minded people to realise that... And in the end there will be more money needed to adjust to the new order, than already spent!
if the top people are still going to be winning, shouldn't they be the ones pushing Wayne/the judges into changing things/adding new classes to get more people into SPL so that it doesn't die? I don't see it in this thread, and I don't see it from you.
I don't expect any noob to beat an experienced competitor. I have absolutely no idea how you managed to come up with that interpretation. my (and others) suggestions were meant to attract new people, not make it so new people with no experience were automatically competitive with the top guys LOL. but if you hook that noob and they keep competing and trying to improve, then someday they just might. the problem is very few new people are being hooked. the root causes of this are what needs to be addressed.
"more money needed to adjust to the new order, than already spent"?? - isn't that exactly what a new person is facing as well?? most will have to go from a daily system to something that likely isn't to be competitive. not cheap.
call me ignorant all you want, I couldn't care less. but it's not hard to see people's personal agendas in their responses here. Murillo said it best - everyone wants to win, nobody wants to lose. most people don't want change because they fear it.
if champions have nothing to fear, then why not come up with (and support) ideas that might bring new people in and gets them hooked? Wayne/judges will listen to those people far more closely than a noob like me.
Can you show me what exactly were your ideas of improving the sport?Because all i have read was a pointless assumption not even a mindless proposal...
First of all as i can see you have only posted 8 times so this byitself shows that you are not aware of how many discussions have been underway all of these years about possible tule changes, unless you just prefer to read and not interfere... One way or the other you have proved that you do not have any signs of knowledge about what's going on here but you are more than welcome to learn...If you are experienced and since OCT 2009 you thought that there is no need to post even a comment in this forum then you should not criticise anybody...That is your fault, not mine...
If i remember correct i did propose some things that will improve dbdrag...But it seems like you did not read ALL OF MY POSTS in this thread...Perhaps you should reconcider your answer....
And let me ask you a question...What is more cost effective, invite some noobs to spend some money to compete in some new amateur classes or force all of the competitors current (which are the majority) and newcomers to start from scratch?And please don't start asking why should current competitors start from scratch...Because they must adopt to the new rules if they want to be competitive...Read my previous posts,i am explainig my point.
We are supposed to be in the middle of a Global economical crisis and you are "proposing" such things? What do you think the reaction of all of us who have spent so many time and money to get loud is going to be?
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I skipped to the end of this....it seems like people just going back and forth again.
People want to see new competitors seperated from the "Pro's" yet when a class like street stock is formed the "Pro's" step into it.
People want to see new class's for new competitors to play in a level battle ground.........yet they are unwilling to combine the class's that created the probem in the first place.
Why do we realy need so many extreme class's ? How many active extreme competitors are there in the world ? How far apart are there scores ? Now Look at street .....sure a lot more cars but the numbers are still close to the same with respect to that part of the world. I read a lot of people saying how you used to have to earn a finals invite and the scores were so close to each other....well wake up when there is 3+ Db gaps in the class's from 1st or 2nd to the rest there is a problem. Combine a lot of these class's and make these people earn there invites again.....wait boo hooo now I cant win my class so I'm going to quite. If people claim they work so hard they should have no probems when there is some competition.
There realy does need to be a way to keep competiors that are capable of building loud out of entery level class's of we are just going to repeat the mistakes again. There also should be a lot of though about what made each class what it is VS what the intent was.
It seems that every year the gaps around the world get bigger. Well when places dont have acces to these high freq cars and this is a world point of view making the playing field level for all cars seemslike a good idea.
To fix this why not just use the physclone freq modifyer. Problem solved. Pandas play 70 hz and explores play 40hz. If the system was found to work in physclone simply apply it here and problem solved. This would also mix it up as a competitor might simply choose to play a lower freq track to try and get that extra edge. That would give reason for several burps in the lane....not just trying to get that last .1 even though your going to loose.
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I'm asking you, and when you change car europe than or panda seat marbella, for example Renault Twingo, Peugeot 206, smart car and some more, and give 158 + dbs street, cars also want to remove or change rules so that those cars do not give dbs?, db drag spl is the world's elite, or perhaps make rules in football for teams who have money can not buy, and yet there is always a great show with same rules, the problem from one year to another should be done only tweaks, I think there are many kinds of SS and ext and few competitors, unless you do some category have more competition among competitors.
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It will always come down to money and everyone wants to win. Instead of combining class`s why not add new ones imo. When classes are cut you see more and more people drop out. So please dbdrag don`t cut any classes!!! If anything add new classes for people to join. I see this year after year. Remember the move up rule? Or the ama and pro class`s? I bet some do and some don`t. Seeing how there not here anymore, do you think that they worked? I think that power classes will give the new guys a sence of hope mentaly, but the top guys will always be on top, because of there hard work. This is going to be our 10th season in dbdrag, we have seen lots of ideas, and have been through many changes, and the fairest way we have seen in years is to do what psyclone is doing now, frequency and spl. That would lower the gap in all classes forsure. Keep every thing the same but only add this in. It would hurt us but would be better as a sport.
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this post is about street class's why are u all bent on changing all the other class's for leave SS 1-2 and SS3-4 alone i can under stand u wanting more people to join but why screw with the classes we have that a beginniner has no right in, in the first place unless he knows he going to get his ass handed to him just like me when i started i know i was going to get beat but i didn't care i came to have fun and play loud music then i rebuilt and learned more thats the name of the game and making alot of friends,hell i'm still a noob learning not going to lye about it
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I would personally like to see a class with a 2 12" subwoofer limit, no rules on coil size or basket. Ampifier power rated at either 1200 or 1500 watt limit. I don't mean at 4 ohms either. whatever it is rated at its lowest impedance.
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i think street classes should be at a lower frequency as well. maybe just an actual class for 50hz and below and make it where they play music for 60second or so to prove it is street setup at the volume they will be burping at. might be a stupid idea but i dont see many people where i live cruisin to 70hz bass notes on the (STREET)!i thought it was street a street b street c not buzz a buzz b buzz c should be street friendly.
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