I have a friend who has built a walled Panda with 4 L7s 2ohm VC 4 KX 2500.1 each playing @ 4 ohm nominal and 5 Maximas... He plays a 154+ dbs Bass Race and he burps @42 Hz a 158,0...
Imagine what will happen if he swaps amps and subs with the big staff and say compete @ Street MAX with a CS 9000 battery...
So there is your answer.
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quote:Originally posted by dB Don: Just a question, has anyone with a panda or crx retuned and tried 50hz to see what the scores would be like there?
yeah mine will play about the same number withn .5 tuned down to 50 range. but i have and suv that will play a 158+ at 50hz and thats with a 3year old set up just stopped using it because with my crx playing around 60hz it blew up less equipment so the freq cap really wont do much except maybe buy more recones
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In 2008, Team Ground Zero in SS 5+ did almost 170dB at around 57Hz I think.
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quote:Originally posted by murilo@soundigital.com.br: I think 20Hz would be nicer.
that would be crazy
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quote:Originally posted by dB Don: So if Wayne puts in the 50hz cap then there won't be much problems adapting.
Good to hear. So the people complaining got nothing to complain about eh?
Of course there will be problems...Big ones!
Think about the current draw and clipping...Where does this lead to?
Broken subs and amps....Just brilliant!
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WHAT IS THE REAL REASON and PURPOSE of the FREQ CAP?
How will the DBDRA benefit from the FREQ CAP?
Do you hope that all this will have a positive impact for the sport?That this will bring new people in the lanes?
We need an official response ASAP...
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My honest opinion is by doing this you all put a toombstone in the grave of Dbdrag....Start counting the competitors that will leave...
So many hours of testing and waste of money....
I am deeply disappointed....
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quote:Originally posted by thanosdbfan: My honest opinion is by doing this you all put a toombstone in the grave of Dbdrag....Start counting the competitors that will leave...
So many hours of testing and waste of money....
I am deeply disappointed....
You also need to think about the competitors who never competed at more then one show because they didn`t want to buy a specialty car like a panda or crx for this sport
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quote:Originally posted by thanosdbfan: I wrote it in a previous post...
I have a friend who has built a walled Panda with 4 L7s 2ohm VC 4 KX 2500.1 each playing @ 4 ohm nominal and 5 Maximas... He plays a 154+ dbs Bass Race and he burps @42 Hz a 158,0...
Imagine what will happen if he swaps amps and subs with the big staff and say compete @ Street MAX with a CS 9000 battery...
So there is your answer.
That would be cool, he should try out street max, with a 50hz limit he would probably be one of the top contenders
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So let's think about the part time competitors and screw the real supporters of the sport...They are the ones that will save the game!
That is realy clever, indeed!
A "specialty" car like the Panda is most importantly A CHEAP CAR...With 6-700 euros max you can buy one...Now how much does a used let's say Peugeot 106 cost?...Not to mention newer models...Who is going to sacrifice a good car to turn it to an SPL monster?
I sure am NOT!
And i certainly won't play the game anymore...I prefer to retire...And i bet that many others will follow....
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quote:Originally posted by thanosdbfan: I wrote it in a previous post...
I have a friend who has built a walled Panda with 4 L7s 2ohm VC 4 KX 2500.1 each playing @ 4 ohm nominal and 5 Maximas... He plays a 154+ dbs Bass Race and he burps @42 Hz a 158,0...
Imagine what will happen if he swaps amps and subs with the big staff and say compete @ Street MAX with a CS 9000 battery...
So there is your answer.
That would be cool, he should try out street max, with a 50hz limit he would probably be one of the top contenders
You don't get the point do you?...Nothing is going to change...Pandas/marbellas AND CRXs will be louder than anyother cars...The scores may be down by 1 or 2 dbs but this will affect every car not only the PANDAS.... And what will happen next? Oh guess what!We ban these cars!!!!Hell, lets punish the factories that produced them in the first place...Or even better execute the Panda designer for causing such a fuss...
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quote:Originally posted by dB Don: So if Wayne puts in the 50hz cap then there won't be much problems adapting.
Good to hear. So the people complaining got nothing to complain about eh?
...and if the 20Hz cap is coming, we will still kick your asses! heheee
Who is "your" if you mean me, your almost 20 years late. And Even then I competed with below 50 hz.
It has already been said that a 50hz cap won't change anything.(I agree to a point) Unless the people who were saying it were misleading everyone.
As for the frequency cap, it was not my first choice. I opted for power classes and expanding street stock. We are not quite ready for that quite yet. If not the 50hz cap we could always put in a spl point modifier like Psyclone but that would certainly affect people with higher notes.
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1- Restricting things, this is making competitors quit, nowadays I think if you restrict the frequency dB drag will loose more competitors than gain. (Please have in mind that dB drag is an international competition). Merging classes makes the competitors quit as well.
2- More classes = more competitors, at this time is good to take a look on other orgs and learn with them.
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if we are going to add a class why not make a class for pandas and crx's. Then there wont be any desparities and like cars will compete together. If you got a panda youre in the panda class. easy.
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The rules are confusing as it is to new guys, then you want to add rules like restrictions on wire and hz cap? Never mind just the names alone bass RACE/ dbdrag RACE, having the word race in both names just confuses first timers.
Adding a trunk class like "Street Trunk A,B,C", the rules the same as Street A,B,C would be cool.
I've been to 3 shows, the last 2 shows, the only trunked cars where me in the one and in the other one was me and the other guy that I brought from Aleromod.
Are fully trunked car audio guys not competing because they don't feel its fair or because there is just not that many of them? Guys with trunked cars are not going to go out and buy a SUV or a hatchback just to compete.
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my idea what be to implement a 50 hz cap in street classes but still have one or two non-capped open street classes for all the other cars which play above 50 hz. As it clearly wouldt be fair to single them out.
So before all the panda guys get to thinking that this idea would be singling them out, they would still have a class to play in..as would the crx guys. Also they wouldnt be banned from the 50hz capped classes either if they wanted to play in there, the more the merrier.
Competitors may claim that a 50 hz cap wont change the crx's and pandas from being the loudest. I personally disagree, and I think there will be a few other vehicles which will be world class level in the 50 hz capped classes if they are implemented.
The point of added current consumption and blowing up gear IMO really shouldnt stand because gear could just as easily be blown up from improper port or enclosure tuning IN ANY FREQUENCY. I ran my explorer in 07 and 08 and got decent numbers from it and ever had an amp failure and also never had a single woofer failure until the end of my 08 season when I had loading issues in my box. This was using 6 woofers at the time so a much larger chance of blowing anything up than the typical 1-2 woofer vehicle.
IMO the world class guys will still be world class guys since no vehicles are being outlawed with this proposed rule change. However a 50 hz cap will allow more up and comers to step to the plate. For a noob to come and pull a 150.5 in their new cobalt with 2 12s and be the #1 certified score in their state or province this would likely get them hooked and become a diehard competitor for years to come. Even if their score isnt particularly strong compared to the rest of the world these new classes allow variety and a relatively fresh start with an even playing field.
Another great reason for the 50 hz capped classes is that they alone will allow trunk cars to compete more fairly with other cars. And if there is a strong showing from the trunk cars then possibly years down the road they could have their own class as they do in other orgaizations.
Im not against limiting wire or gear aswell as the 50 hz cap but I think the cap should definitely be an issue which is looked at closely. Variety will be the key to dbdrag coming back as a sport.
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Lower Freq equals more current draw and this is physics not just an opinion....
So if you want this translated to burping a tone it means that you won't have enough current/power from a 800 cu in battery to feed the amps...Where does this lead to? Clipping and distortion...Bottom end...More frequent failures...So by adopting this stupid idea you make street classes even more expensive than they already are...
People with new cars prefer Bass Race due to the suspense of the runs and the simplicity of the rules,well at least in my country.When we, the old competitors try to recruit them to dbdrag instead their first protest is that they do not want to ruin their car!!!Secondly they hate the process of build up before the event and tear down their car after...You don't expect of course to keep the SPL setup in their daily car! BUT...When you have a "specialty" car like stated above, you have the priviledge to keep it always ready for comps once you have established a base to experiment (proper freq tuning, VC impedance, box imp rise,amp reactive load and current draw after each HU volume gain and many more)and you just focus on the fine tuning before each event which is highly cost effective... Most important factor that needs to be considered is that Dbdrag is far more sophisticated and complex Than Bass Race...Not to mention the uncertainty of the judging due to "personal" translation of the rule book by many Judges!!!! Nobody wants to make his life difficult,why a newbie should?
SO instead of trying to competely change the way of things it is more clever to adopt classes with simple rules and minimum requirements...And i am not talking about STREET Stock... This was a total failure and everyone experienced it during the last season...Something realy attractive needs to be proposed for the people to compete and like it...
LAST BUT NOT LEAST THE RULES MUST BE SOLID AND WITHOUT "GREY" AREAS...I URGE THE DBDRA TO FOCUS ON THIS ISSUE AND MAKE THEM PRECICE AND ACCURATE DO NOT CHANGE THEM, IMPROVE THEM...That is why i proposed an adoptation of a build log with listed pics for every dbdrag car attending Multi point events.
Pics of Legal and illegal installations can be attached in the rule book for every class....A picture is worth a 1000 words and i believe that the judges have millions of install pics after all these years of comps so it would not be difficult to implement...
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A new competitor will roll up and want to have a go, and compete against people with similar systems.. I started as a street stock competitor. I went to an event to see how loud my car was... I got put into st stock and I won... Then went to bigger shows and had 3 way battles all day to be the loudest at that event we had 3 cars within 1db of each other... At other events we have had dead heats 2 or 3 in a row... That is exciting that is what makes people want to spectate and then tell their mates about db drag... Burping a lower frequency WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING..
What needs to happen is better devolopment of st stock rules.. Mini st classes. That's it. Don't change st classes..
I can't see why you Americans winge..
In Australia our loudest St c is 155.9 in a Toyota seca. We don't have pandas either or even easy access to equipment. Everything we get in must be imported..
Do you hear us complaining?? Let's face it Altho st classes were designed to be an entry level class before moving on to ss, they have progressed beyond an entry level. A beginner dosnt stand a chance regardless of frequency.. If you want to encourage newcomers they must have their own class. If they show up and have to compete with a vet competitor. We'll scare them off.. I think the reason that st stock failed was the rules were good to start with then a few people went stupid and saw it as an easy finals trophy... Go back to the original st stock A B rules no woofers rated more than 1000w rms 2.5" coils.. 1000w for A and 2 for B. Then 3 mini st and that's it.. Work with that promote these classes to the newbies and that will help..
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