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i think there will be more then 30 competitors next year for finals
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I would like to write something in behalf of competitors in Czech Republic, but I think that it is related to everybody. Youīre always solving what, or who has made wrong something, but nobody is solving, that the rules is changing all the time and the biggest problem is, that rules are published too late. This is the problem, why competitors cannot response. I thing, that we can see chaos in Hamburg by the inspections etc. You want me to restrict Panda. You think, that it is the resolution to coming new competitions, but I donīt. New and old competitors is going out every year, because most of competitors start to work on their cars and begin to buy new things after WF, but you are starting to debate about new rules on January and the final form of rules is published for public at the beginning of season. This competitors is find out, that their work and investments are for nothing, thatīs why they are over the dB DRAG. If you want to do something with rules, do please special installation rules for Panda ond CRX. I think, that Mr. Yannis can help you. You can precede to re-make cars by inspections, or you can precede do make some photo of cars, which werenīt ready. (For example this yearīs photos from Brazil). My suggestion is, that the rules for season 2010 are going to publish on this December. If you donīt do it this way, I cannot answer competitorīs questions, and it is not good dB Drag event presentation. So donīt wonder about restrict Panda and Marbella (you thing that it is the reason of high numbers in European events) and start to do something with rules of competition. This is my personal opinion
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This is also why I think there should be a 50 hz cap. It would bring in a huge variety of different cars. Im all for there being a trunk class but to my knowledge most trunk cars peak below 50 hz anyway dont they? So a 50 hz cap would be similar to a trunk class but just allowing more than just trunk cars in it. I know at some smaller events a trunk car only class may have a super small turnout.
Variety is exciting!! Its exciting to the competitors and its exciting the the fans for once. Look at all the variety in bassrace and how much more the fans love it compared to these burp machines. [/QB]
variety is definitely something that is needed.
in my limited experience, the trunk cars I've played with have all peaked below 50Hz. but lower peak frequency isn't their only disadvantage, it's also the lack of space in comparison with most hatches and SUVs in north america. even extended cab 1/4 ton trucks are 10x easier to build in.
I'm sure more and more trunk cars would come out of the woodwork if they weren't forced to go up against guys like Dale running CRXs doing 156+.
maybe NSPL is the way to go...
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Every year it's the same "Lets change the rules" there is no other world governing body of any sport that changes rule every year because someone isn't competitive. Introduce a trunk class and two 50 hz classes with cable, battery and amp limits and ban pandas and crx's from those classes and lets see how many new competitors we get, then leave classes and rule for a minimum of two years to give it all a chance to work.
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Please open eyse. How you can baned Panda/CRX??? WHY??? Thise car is baned is Street Stock. This is entry class for new competitors. This year baned Paanda/CRX, and next year or two years are baned Corsa or other car from brazil how play big scorre. This is not good way.
Street Classe have big restricted for some years back. and now is rulles very good.
My opinion
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Nobody is talking about banning crx or the panda. The discussion is about a 50hz cap in street class.
The idea is to level the playing field for other vehicles to be competitive. As a crx owner I am all for the idea even though my car peaks well above 50hz.
Its a good idea to open up the street classes for growth of the sport.
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Can someone please explain something to me.
Why is it in early 2000s when the Americans where dominating the Street classes and the EUROs where losing that nothing was being said?
Why is it that during those years the Americans where winning with the exact same vehicles that there are using right now and the EUROs where losing with the exact same vehicles as they are using now?
The vehicles have not changed. The Americans are STILL using the CRX and the EUROs are still using the Pandas/Marbellas.
Nothing has changed vehicle wise. Why is it the Americans all of a sudden are COMPLAINING and WHINING for the last couple of years about the PANDA/Marbella. They sure where not doing that when they where winning.
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my push for rule changes is that everyone i talk to like vets over here n the states seem to like the idea of less wire or clamping power. this way no one is hurt u have a big amp just turn down the gains u have all this power wire runs just take some out. helps new guys doesnt hurt old guys. ive been asking for less power wire since 2004 and since 2005 i have had prob more power wire than anyone in the states so im just asking to c less wire i have 25 of each power and ground total 50 runs of wire in my car so i dont mind that part i also have plenty of amps to be n any class so that im not complaining im just tryn to help a dieing sport over here. and ive been agains big amps for a while also and i was the first to run a crown in a street car 2004 and then the complaint was they should let smaller strapable amps compeat with the large mono block amps so i said all thats going to do is make companies build monster strapable amps and look what happend. having the best of the best isnt a problem for me over here. im just tryn to help people get into and stay into the sport. thats all
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quote:Originally posted by thanosdbfan: Can someone please explain something to me.
Why is it in early 2000s when the Americans where dominating the Street classes and the EUROs where losing that nothing was being said?
Why is it that during those years the Americans where winning with the exact same vehicles that there are using right now and the EUROs where losing with the exact same vehicles as they are using now?
The vehicles have not changed. The Americans are STILL using the CRX and the EUROs are still using the Pandas/Marbellas.
Nothing has changed vehicle wise. Why is it the Americans all of a sudden are COMPLAINING and WHINING for the last couple of years about the PANDA/Marbella. They sure where not doing that when they where winning.
As an American, I have to agree with you. This point is 100 percent correct..keep talkin the truth Thanos!!!
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How much money would be saved for a potential new competitor by limiting the runs of wire?
It cost me $600 for 16 runs of hyperflex in my car. I dont really see a huge problem with the cost of wire.
The problem is the street classes are too advanced for the new guy off the street.In reality street class is not a fair representation of daily street beaters like the name would imply. Street class as we know it now IMHO is more of an expert effeciency class.
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quote:Originally posted by The Repo Man: How much money would be saved for a potential new competitor by limiting the runs of wire?
It cost me $600 for 16 runs of hyperflex in my car. I dont really see a huge problem with the cost of wire.
The problem is the street classes are too advanced for the new guy off the street.In reality street class is not a fair representation of daily street beaters like the name would imply. Street class as we know it now IMHO is more of an expert effeciency class.
If street classes are too advanced, keep street stock and ministreet!
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quote:Originally posted by The Repo Man: How much money would be saved for a potential new competitor by limiting the runs of wire?
It cost me $600 for 16 runs of hyperflex in my car. I dont really see a huge problem with the cost of wire.
The problem is the street classes are too advanced for the new guy off the street.In reality street class is not a fair representation of daily street beaters like the name would imply. Street class as we know it now IMHO is more of an expert effeciency class.
Exactly
Nobody is going to jump in because will have to put only a couple wires.
The actual need is for 2 more street stock classes, like ABC but stock.
Maybe this 2 new classes would be a trunk class and a light NW.
quote:Originally posted by The Repo Man: How much money would be saved for a potential new competitor by limiting the runs of wire?
It cost me $600 for 16 runs of hyperflex in my car. I dont really see a huge problem with the cost of wire.
The problem is the street classes are too advanced for the new guy off the street.In reality street class is not a fair representation of daily street beaters like the name would imply. Street class as we know it now IMHO is more of an expert effeciency class.
If street classes are too advanced, keep street stock and ministreet!
This is the idea, a class for daily street beaters where the equipment isn't limited to subs and amps that no one would normally want to purchase.
Classes with simplistic rules ,like 1-2 woofers and 3-4 woofers 1 amp or 2 amps. Normal car stereo batteries no multi cells. And a 50hz frequency cap or music only. This would appeal to alot of new guys just getting into the game.
Also I think we should keep the street classes for everybody that has time and money invested in them. I think we should change the name to something that is more fitting and open them up to all vehicles. Also dumping the street legal and registered requiment would make more sense for those wishing to use foreign vehicles.
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quote:Originally posted by The Repo Man: How much money would be saved for a potential new competitor by limiting the runs of wire?
It cost me $600 for 16 runs of hyperflex in my car. I dont really see a huge problem with the cost of wire.
The problem is the street classes are too advanced for the new guy off the street.In reality street class is not a fair representation of daily street beaters like the name would imply. Street class as we know it now IMHO is more of an expert effeciency class.
I 1000% agree...And let me add something else...If a competitor chooses to fit 70 mm welding wire instead of an "expensive" X Brand power wire the cost will be reduced even at 50 or 60%
So we are talking about 300 USD for 50 meters of power wire...That is definetely an unbearable amount of money for the newcomers...
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the whole power wire money saving part will come when u dont need a 8000w amp or bigger to run the class im going to bet that no one will be able to run a 12000 or 14000w amp and come close to pulling 6000w off of it. so the real save in money would be the amps that they run. u will no longer need the biggest amp on the market to run street a. then with that cause and effect u prob wont need the biggest subs on the market so the savings will in part be less wire, smaller amps, and less motor subs. all three will save people money. and this way people that have money and time in pandas crxs and other rides can still use those rides. im not saying that will bridge the gap the euros will still be louder. that part dont bother me my hats off to the time and work all the euros put into their rides. i know alot of people that like this idea. and i know there is alot that dont. but like i said i have the runs and i have the amps so it dont effect me.
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quote:Originally posted by thanosdbfan: Can someone please explain something to me.
Why is it in early 2000s when the Americans where dominating the Street classes and the EUROs where losing that nothing was being said?
Why is it that during those years the Americans where winning with the exact same vehicles that there are using right now and the EUROs where losing with the exact same vehicles as they are using now?
The vehicles have not changed. The Americans are STILL using the CRX and the EUROs are still using the Pandas/Marbellas.
Nothing has changed vehicle wise. Why is it the Americans all of a sudden are COMPLAINING and WHINING for the last couple of years about the PANDA/Marbella. They sure where not doing that when they where winning.
As an American, I have to agree with you. This point is 100 percent correct..keep talkin the truth Thanos!!!
and i agree i hear it all the time over here people not wanting to compeat because of a panda. i still like the idea of compeating with the overseas cars even if i do loose if i dont win im not a world champ. buti can be the loudest car in north america.
i dont agree with baning crx/panda or even caping the freq cause then u will have a new car that will be loud not to mention i can tune my crx down around a 50htz range and my score isnot that far off thats why i support stuff that will not effect cars that people have time and money in.
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quote:Originally posted by GameOverStreetA: the whole power wire money saving part will come when u dont need a 8000w amp or bigger to run the class im going to bet that no one will be able to run a 12000 or 14000w amp and come close to pulling 6000w off of it. so the real save in money would be the amps that they run. u will no longer need the biggest amp on the market to run street a. then with that cause and effect u prob wont need the biggest subs on the market so the savings will in part be less wire, smaller amps, and less motor subs. all three will save people money. and this way people that have money and time in pandas crxs and other rides can still use those rides. im not saying that will bridge the gap the euros will still be louder. that part dont bother me my hats off to the time and work all the euros put into their rides. i know alot of people that like this idea. and i know there is alot that dont. but like i said i have the runs and i have the amps so it dont effect me.
On the other hand, a single 800 cu.in battery can only put out about 700-900 amps at burp (a multi cell can deliver about 1500 or 1600 amps...)
How many runs do you need to feed this amount of amperage to the amps? If you use 00 gauge i think 6+ and 6- are more than enough... Anything more is just extra weight...Will not hurt spl though but the extra gain if there is any ,is equal of a few tenths of a db (far less than 0,5 i guaranty that) So,in the worst case , does this 0,5 db worth the talking?
And always keep in mind that there is always the possibility of research and developement from the audio industry...Some company will introduce a more efficient amp with lots of power output potential...Guess what will happen then...More expenses for everybody,existing and new coming competitors...
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By limiting wire,amps, and other equipment your just alienating the support you already have.
The best course of action is to bridge the gap between new competitors and where street class is today.
And no street stock is not the answer.Street stock is a joke that is failing as a whole because the limitations are rediculous, and no solid decisions can be made on the rules for it. This in my view is a half hearted attempt at a class that is badly needed.
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