street A street B street C street MAX super street no wall super street 1-2 super street 3-4 super street 5+ extreme 1 extreme 2 extreme 3-4 extreme 5+
and maybe the street 50 hz classes in A,B and C
no more street stock
so same rules as last year
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leave SS 3-4 alone why do u keep on wanting to screw with SS for its fine the way it is leave the classes alone if u going to add more for beginners thats fine but leave the other classes how they are u going to bring in new for new classes and cause people already here that build for a class to leave
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Why don't we post a poll? Who wants changes and who doesn't...One time vote for each member...
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Judges are discussing different ideas at the moment. 50 Hz cap is one of them.
There will be changes, as we need to do something if we want dB Drag Racing to survive in the future. If we want it to survive, we must find a way to bring in new competitors - this should be you main concern, and not if you can play 80hz or 50hz tones. Without these new competitors, you will soon only be able to play in your garage, as there will be no more dB Drag Racing events...
Your input are highly appriciatet (sorry for the spelling..), but please be constructive and post your ideas for solutions, and not only post about the things you dont like.
Thanks.
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i honestly think that street classes are fine the way they are. In fact, more classes should be added to accomodate street pounding set-ups....the 50hz cap would be good in these classes.
once newcomers start to compete at shows and dont get smoked by 10db by the big boys, they usually get the spl itch and dont mind investing in the bigger classes. Ive seen this myself with many new competitors, they started small and got hooked so they decided to go bigger.....but, it wouldnt have happened if myself and a few veteran's didnt offer our help for them to understand.
So, more classes based on music installs and leave the rest the way they are.
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concern for a beginner in the db drag racing is money
a beginner will often start with a street a, b, c but the budget for integrated these categories and be competitive are enormous many cable amplifier 12kW 16kW ,.... subwoofer too dear with that a beginner will have a hard time making a competitive car and often abandoned I think when street should be limited power amplifiers limited power, verified in a competition three categories or create additional
street a: 3kw Street B: 5kw Street c: 7kW not verify the data of the amplifier but measured at a shoot the real power that will prevent cheating
This is the limited budget and this street will not prevent to make beautiful score
and beginners can then be competitive with the strongest and it will be useless to put a lot of money to be on top many will be disappointed by the new regulations but it is good to boost competition and allow a newcomer to the sport
the stronger will be can not agree, why? afraid of competition??
delet the panda marbella or crx Not a good solution other car will come as good and it will be returned to the same reasons the budget! "
sorry for my bad English
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dont think it is oke to change the rules then you make the die hards upset
what we did in benelux add some classes for the new people
we have mini street a,b and c
and for the wall people(or without wall) the pro classes in this class you can do what you want durp or music
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quote:Originally posted by Lawaetz: Judges are discussing different ideas at the moment. 50 Hz cap is one of them.
There will be changes, as we need to do something if we want dB Drag Racing to survive in the future. If we want it to survive, we must find a way to bring in new competitors - this should be you main concern, and not if you can play 80hz or 50hz tones. Without these new competitors, you will soon only be able to play in your garage, as there will be no more dB Drag Racing events...
Your input are highly appriciatet (sorry for the spelling..), but please be constructive and post your ideas for solutions, and not only post about the things you dont like.
Thanks.
Thanks Jorgen! 1st Judge who write a official statment! I like it
1. Maybe a money limit is the best! Letīs say 1500$ for entry classes and same rules as current street! For amps and subs! Thats easy to calculate!
2. Or amps only on their rated impedance and you must play music from special dbDrag CD! Every time a different titel, so its also hard for pros and there will be exciting 30sec for spectators
3. Less classe to have more competition
4. Price money for big events! I am sure this will be possible
I like the music idea most, because dbDrag is a lil bit boring, burp, burp wait 20sec... if cactus isnīt playing 3 times the same score...
You must give spectators a good show, than dbDrag is growing itself again Not messy cars with black windows *gg*
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I'd say instead of inventing the wheel all over again, then we should look at what keeps competitors away, unsecure and not willing to continue competing.
1. Rules They need to be valid for more than a year. And up for discussion while they are effective so they can be altered before the next period.
Let's say rules apply for 2 years at at time, so after the 1st. year competitors know that something will be changed after a year. Instead of doing an expensive top of the line build and then 1 month later it is useless because of a rule change that came out of no where.
Enforcement of rules, this is the judges job, but with an open discussion of what can be changed for the next period, it might be easier for them to enforce the rules.
2. Classes for newbees These classes can be restriced with caps, cables, cost, requirement of being able to play music and so on. What ever makes it attractive for competitors to use their ordinary cars. These classes shall also be eligeable to do on a world format.
3 Existing classes. Don't change them, keep them as they are. If you want to be in the top dog league, it is costly and you have to give it all you got.
Alienating cars that are loud is just stupid. Imagine if the Euro guys were doing a quarter mile with a panda against american muscle Charger v8 big block hemi, then they should demand the car to be illegal, due to the fact that it isn't available to them.
Instead what happened? They got more effecient engines, lighter cars, bi-turbo, catch my drift. to be able to play on the same field.
Psychlone & Bass Race implement end encourage people to compete in these classes.
Throphys Only for the winners, the rest can get diplomas, in order to keep costs down.
Price money if it is possible, it could be attractive. Especially for new bees who needs to be motivated.
Surely there are many other things that could be done, but this was just initial thoughts.
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a 50hz limit would level the playing field here in north america, but like others have said, it would alienate the hardcore competitors who have spent a ton of time building their CRXs/pandas etc.
how about introducing a trunk class, rather than a "beginner" class? heck, use the same rules as for the street classes (say B or C) to avoid confusion. this would take the competitive advantage of CRX/panda/explorers out of the equation for that class, and open the door for new people who own coupes/sedans to be competitive. just an idea.
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quote:Originally posted by SavageD: how about introducing a trunk class, rather than a "beginner" class? heck, use the same rules as for the street classes (say B or C) to avoid confusion. this would take the competitive advantage of CRX/panda/explorers out of the equation for that class, and open the door for new people who own coupes/sedans to be competitive. just an idea.
I have brought this idea up,as have others,in the past.But no one seems to bit.But I agree...this idea will bring alot more competitors.
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Mannnnn chit!!! Look at NSPL classes. That is all I have to say. He has all the classes that you all are talking about!! Hell NSPL is expanding and growing because it is so versitile. I would not be suprised if it becomes as large as other organizations such as Dbdrag! The Classes that NSPL covers: 1. Power limitations 2. Trunk vehicle classes 3. No trunk clases (crx, pandas, suvs..ect) 4. Also combined with these are cone area classes (ex. 0-24 can be three eights two 10's or two 12's) 5. Beginners classes. So I think this would be the formula for success. Not changing rules at the last minute and pissing people off and handicapping veterans. Just add classes for the beginners. Now, if we have a cap on freqiency, which in my opinion is a bad idea, but if it happens, people are going to buy the baddest car with that frequency, start destroying everyone, then people are going to bitch about that car. Then that car will be banned. Then another group of people will quit. It is a never ending cycle. But you know how it goes! The sqeaky wheel gets the the oil. But in the past two years, the sqeaky wheels got the oil, then fell off. No one that complained competed! So I say, FVCK the complainers! Just expand and add classes! And if you can't hang in the big boy classes, move your azzes to the little league!!
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1st i think there should be a limmit on power wire runs no true street car i have every put to gether when i worked at a shop had more than 4 runs total.
i say lets do 2 runs 1 power 1 ground of 4gage with the 650ci rule street a.
i say lets do 2 runs 1 power 1 ground of 0gage street b with the 800ci bat rule in street b
i say lets do 2 runs 1 power 1 ground of 0 gage street c with the 2 800ci battery rule street c
this will help with cost BIG TIME. also u could use a simple micrometer to make sure no one is cheating running thinker cables. take and advage of a few dif brands and have a + - of a certain thickness that way u cant get custom wire and cheat or companies will not try to make fake wire either.
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maybe no amp limits in any street class but clamp real power say like this but leave the sub rules alone
say street a 2500w max clamped street b 5000w max clamped street c 7500w max clamped
with no amp limits that means u can run say one 5,000w amp in street a but just cant put out more than 2500w max clamped or u could run 4 700w amps and only be able to put out 2500w clamped.
that way a new guy can start out with a 500w amp and later on in the year buy another 500w amp and at the end of year maybe get another 2 500w amps and hang without droping all his cash at once to try to compeat. just some thoughts
also i think this can help with company sponcers say people like kicker, rockford fosgate, jbl, jl audio, zapco, sony, mtx, memphis, ext ext maybe comeback out and support because they could see their product back n the lanes
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last ideas maybe also since some people think burping is not really car audio how bout the 50hts limit and say 10sec run adv. instead of just a burp. that might make it alittle more public friendly to watch.
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i like the old mini street classes in the Benelux for years ago.
That was low costs for new bees. And they learn to burp so they can grow to other classes. The mini street classes have always been bigger in the benelux then the normal classes. I don't know if somebody still have the rules what was for that old ministreet classes.
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quote:Originally posted by Wagonized: Its been brought up recently in the dbdrag section and we even have on of the street class euro guys claiming to like the idea.
I think this is a great idea and would actually have competitors burping real bass that you hear in most music as opposed to the loudest cars humming at 70hz.
Also this would really really level the playing field for other cars to compete against the pandas and crx's. This way you could have trunk cars competing, SUVs competing, hatches and extended cab trucks all battling it out for the world title. This alone IMO could bring dbdrag back to a competitive state providing 2010 finals werent held in Anchorage Alaska.
However, I think if there is a frequency cap implemented that there should be a single open street class without a cap so that the crx and panda guys dont get the shaft. We certainly cannot forget about the diehard crx and panda guys who have been putting hundreds of hours into their cars over the last several years playing by the rules to be the loudest. I think this class should be a single class with open gear. Unlimited woofers, unlimited amps, on a single non multicell 800 cubic inch batt.
This will work well because if you look at the top 3 panda scores.... loudest street A 159.5, 159.2, 159.1 loudest street B 161.0, 160.8, 160.4 loudest street C 161.4, 160.8. 160.6
I have no idea how pandas work...but id be willing to bet if you put an 800 cubic inch batt in the street A cars that they would be almost even with the street B cars. And if you took one of the batts out of the street C cars (since the pandas have both batts under the hood) that the score would drop down a bit to street B level. So it looks as tho the street A guys with single 12 setups on one amp are pretty much just as loud as the guys with 2 15s on 2 or 4 amps.
Im sure the same thing would go for rex's too. Look at team Thee Michael Hughes. 156.5 in street A...with an 800 cubic inch batt in sure that would put him at a 156.6 or so which was the winning street B score Yuli put up last year at finals. And Dales street C score of 157.5 would probably drop 0.5 or so Id imagine if he took one of the batts out. Quite an even playing field when you think about it.
Sorry, but you donīt have much experience! Street A will gain maybe 0,3! Street C will lose about -1,5
If you do that everybody needs a Street B setup to be competive! -> many people will quit
The only thing that will work ist to add real beginner classes and not this Street Stock shi...
Maybe the beginner classes need to play music from the dbDrag CD and every event a different title
And again: LIMIT THE AMPS!!
you are correct i dont have much experience..with a panda. I have about as much as this whole half of the world over here minus Jordy, Yuli, TJ, and Murilo.
But keep in mind a panda is just one car. Im not in any way trying to outlaw the panda or crx or any vehicle for that matter. The last thing Id want to do if I made the rules would be to piss of the diehard competitors who have kept dbdrag alive through these (lets face it) crappy years.
If theres a 50 hz cap in street then there also MUST obviously be uncapped street classes aswell.
If there were a single open class maybe the pandas have the advantage in a street B setup...but maybe the crx's have advantage with street C and yaris and smart cars in street A etc. Its all vehicle dependant.
Maybe a single class is too small....but maybe two classes.
One class with one amp single 650 cubic inch batt and 2 runs total. Unlimited woofers below window line and all seats functional. 1 amp. No double amps.
And a 2nd class with 2 800 cubic inch batts and 4 runs total. Unlimited woofers below window line and all seats functional. 1 amp. No double amps.
People are going to buy the biggest amp they can get their hands on anyway. For your big street amp you're looking at $2000 usd to buy new (just a ballpark ive never personally even bought a new amp since i was 16 lol). The average cost savings going from 12 runs of 1/0 to 2 runs of 1/0 at $4 a foot and 14 foot runs is $560 saved..plus any copper lugs you would use..larger terminals etc. And thats only 12 runs. The cars with 24 runs would save $1232 right there which is 62% of the amp they would need for the year! Not to mention only having to run one amp compared to 2 amps or 4 amps in street C.
Classes like this would allow one major thing....variety! Which IMO is what dbdrag needs. If there ws more variety, the panda guys wouldnt be so afraid to show their pics of their enclosures in the "show your world finals setups" thread. But instead nearly all the cars are built so similarly they feel showing off the setup will give the other guy the edge to beat them. Would this be the case if you were competing inthe same class with a single 12 vs a guy trying 8 8s or a 15 and a 10?
Thats an interesting one to think about too isnt it? A few setups now Ive heard have gained from having two ports of different lengths tuned differently. Or in one case two different size ports altogether. What about 2 different sized woofers? The current rules wouldnt allow for it very easily but in an open class anything goes for woofers as long as theyre below the window line and seats stay functional.
Variety is the key.
This is also why I think there should be a 50 hz cap. It would bring in a huge variety of different cars. Im all for there being a trunk class but to my knowledge most trunk cars peak below 50 hz anyway dont they? So a 50 hz cap would be similar to a trunk class but just allowing more than just trunk cars in it. I know at some smaller events a trunk car only class may have a super small turnout.
Variety is exciting!! Its exciting to the competitors and its exciting the the fans for once. Look at all the variety in bassrace and how much more the fans love it compared to these burp machines.
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I donīt think 50hz cap will bring different cars, because there will be again only one wich is the loudest and next year we all have the same one again!!
Limit wires will not save any costs! You need 60 meters = 240 Thats the cost for a weekend trip
Only less amps will make less costs! Or to make a money limit!
And to ban any car of a class could not be a rule! This will be a endless story.....
If you must play low bass music pandas will not have any advance!
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Bass Race is more exciting for the spectators because it has more suspense...I thought that Bass Race was adopted to bring street bass vehicles at comps...
Now you propose to adopt something similar for dbdrag to attract the crowd...GET REAL!
A TONE IS A TONE! NOTHING BEAUTYFULL ABOUT IT!! THE ONLY BEAUTY IS THE SCORE WRITEN AT THE BOARD!
IF YOU WANT TO REESTABLISH DBDRAG FUNDAMENTALS PERHAPS IT IS BETTER TO JOIN ANOTHER FORMAT...
Finally what makes you think that if there is a change in the classes and the equipment is limited to less items (subs amps wires etc) there won't be a number of competitors who will buy the most expensive and rare staff allowed just to win?Then what will happen?The same discussion all over again...And what makes you think that there won;t be a company that will not produce more efficient equipment just for these classes?
I wonder what is realy your problem,money or the scores going up every single year?
If you wanna win you have to bleed.... (metaphorically and literally speaking)
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